Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!

[mrwheet]

Explain to me how anyone has done proper troubleshooting/testing of this issue to actually know what the problem is.

Exactly. Any software that provides a method to accommodate for changes in signal strength could be responsible. Wait and see what happens.

 

[cloudberrybrew]

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10322957/

done.

arn

ownt

 

[cmaier]

Can't seem to read very well, can you? Screw your microcell. It's a dog. Proves nothing. Follow the instructions or ****. Find a real tower.

It "proves nothing" only because you can't seem to get passed logic like "****." A microcell is a very powerful RF source to a phone 3 feet away from it. Two 3gs's and a 3G work fine up to a block away from it. Each gets 5 bars anywhere within the house. Three iphone 4's get 5 bars anywhere in the house. Unless I touch them. Then they get 0 bars, drop the microcell entirely (which is proveable because the phone tells you if it is using the microcell - making it a better experiment than regular cells).

The phones are broken. You're living in a dreamworld.

 

[cloudberrybrew]

interesting read-

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/26/iphone-4-antenna-problems-were-predicted-on-june-10-by-danish-pr/

very

 

[cloudberrybrew]

Nope. That guy is in his apartment, with all sorts of buildings for reflection (it is already known that in a highrise area, with tall buildings, cell does wonky things).

Please. It's so simple. Leave your fortress of solitude, go driving around, and find a cell tower. Eliminate the variables of opaque objects blocking and reflecting cell. Have a direct line of sight to the tower.

If you can't reproduce the dropped call effect with direct line of sight to a close tower, then there is no issue. If you do not follow the instructions precisely, then you are adding unknowable variables, and your results are suspect.

You are suspect, **** <3

 

[Ochyandkaren]

It's all up to the individual to decide.

That nullifies all paragraphs above.

 

[jb007clone]

Nope. That guy is in his apartment, with all sorts of buildings for reflection (it is already known that in a highrise area, with tall buildings, cell does wonky things).

Please. It's so simple. Leave your fortress of solitude, go driving around, and find a cell tower. Eliminate the variables of opaque objects blocking and reflecting cell. Have a direct line of sight to the tower.

If you can't reproduce the dropped call effect with direct line of sight to a close tower, then there is no issue. If you do not follow the instructions precisely, then you are adding unknowable variables, and your results are suspect.

Wow...

 

[arn]

Have a direct line of sight to the tower.

he had direct line of sight.

I stepped out on the balcony 10 minutes ago and got 5 bars as expected since when I'm standing on that balcony you could literally take a laser pointer (if the phone had one built in) and hit the cell site tower/antenna assembly - it literally is line-of-sight from my balcony and it's only about 20 feet higher in elevation than my 3rd floor balcony is.

Held the phone in the air by using my right hand and my index and middle finger on the back glass panel and and my right thumb on the front, just to the right of the Home button - I was not touching the metal frame at all with my right hand, there was no skin-on-metal contact nor was I touching the display on the capacitive section.

arn

 

[Sustainability]

No one seems to want to try real science. (sigh) I must revert to screaming. I apologize in advance.

Find a cell tower. Stand underneath it with your iPhone 4. Make a call, and then reproduce the effect that drops the call.


Do this, and prove your accusations, or ****

Is your suggestion that all people should now have to stand under towers to make calls on their mobile phone? Not very mobile sounding.

 

[cmaier]

Unless you live in an area with zero cell reception, then you are missing that you are adding unknowns to your excerise. What might be happening is the phone is also picking up the cell that isn't your microcell. That is why your microcell is a dog, unless you live in Antarctica, or somewhere there is no other cell signal. Under a REAL cell tower this variable is eliminated because cell towers are spaced for coverage and the signals do not compete.

So, back to ****. Or, you can prove me wrong by getting off your donkey and finding a real tower.

I don't need to say anything else. You've proven that no amount of evidence will dissuade you from your delusion.

 

[cloudberrybrew]

Unless you live in an area with zero cell reception, then you are missing that you are adding unknowns to your excerise. What might be happening is the phone is also picking up the cell that isn't your microcell. That is why your microcell is a dog, unless you live in Antarctica, or somewhere there is no other cell signal. Under a REAL cell tower this variable is eliminated because cell towers are spaced for coverage and the signals do not compete.

So, back to ****. Or, you can prove me wrong by getting off your donkey and finding a real tower.

Do you realize the people you are talking to on this forum? You have no idea what you're talking about and arn't reading our supporting evidence.

 

[canadianpj]

Does the bumper solve the problem? I would think it does.

As for that article on "Mass Hysteria", you spelled "lose" wrong:



But really, I think there are three classes of people when it comes to this antenna issue.

1. Apple fanboys that are way too optimistic, and point the finger at other phones while admitting the iPhone also has a problem, so it's ok.

2. Other fanboys that flame Apple to no end, pretending like this has never happened before...ever on other types of phones (the only reason you don't notice this as much on other phones is the antenna is at the TOP of the device where your fingers never go).

3. The casual user that's not a fanboy at all that is annoyed that his $200-300 has a phone that has an issue that should have been ironed out way earlier in the production stage, and doesn't want to pay $30 for a cheap, overpriced rubber case from the same company that made the mistake in the first place.

I'm one of the #3s, and I hope that the issue will be solved (whether by something as simple as a software update, or as expensive/complicated as a recall).

Either way, we just have to wait.

Would it at all be possible for us to agree to drop the "fanboy" term please? Lame, overused and childish.

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

No one seems to want to try real science. (sigh) I must revert to screaming. I apologize in advance.

Find a cell tower. Stand underneath it with your iPhone 4. Make a call, and then reproduce the effect that drops the call.


Do this, and prove your accusations, or ****

This same guy is talking a load of crap over on Apple Insider too. Don't take the bait, guys.

 

[kernkraft]

If you are broke or have a short pocket like me why are you whining?
It is your fault.

People buy it because they can.


Hysteria indeed!

No, that's you, not me. I could have ten times more and I would still hate to spend ANY money on something that is not fit for its primary purpose. A phone that you cannot just hold as you would hold any other is bloody defective. As your comment was, missing my point that was purely to question the real cost of an iPhone.

About you, being broke - look, what I bought for my girlfriend! She just loves me for it, BIG TIME!

 

[Veritas&Equitas]

Unless you live in an area with zero cell reception, then you are missing that you are adding unknowns to your excerise. What might be happening is the phone is also picking up the cell that isn't your microcell. That is why your microcell is a dog, unless you live in Antarctica, or somewhere there is no other cell signal. Under a REAL cell tower this variable is eliminated because cell towers are spaced for coverage and the signals do not compete.

So, back to ****. Or, you can prove me wrong by getting off your donkey and finding a real tower.

Wow, you just joined this site this month, and you've kicked off your membership by swearing at the owner of Macrumors and admin overseeing 100k members (arn).

Brilliant move...brilliant.

 

[arn]

And buildings all around. We don't know what the cell signals are doing... because they are invisible. This does not suffice. We need a tower that could not possibly have buildings affecting it's broadcast.

What is the BFD? Go find a tower that isn't in a cell-problematic metropolis, make me eat my words, dangit!

Sorry, I'm late to this exchange. So what will that prove?

Given the two scenarios

1) Call works
2) Call doesn't work

arn

 

[cloudberrybrew]

And buildings all around. We don't know what the cell signals are doing... because they are invisible. This does not suffice. We need a tower that could not possibly have buildings affecting it's broadcast.

What is the BFD? Go find a tower that isn't in a cell-problematic metropolis, make me eat my words, dangit!

made this picture to show what he wants from us...

 

[iphones4evry1]

How am I supposed to "stay tuned" if I can't even stay connected to the network and my calls keep getting dropped as soon as I pick up the phone?

 

[d00m42]

How am I supposed to "stay tuned" if my iPhone can't even stay connected to the network and keeps getting dropped ?

QFT.

But really, wait to see what they announce before you unleash the flame.

 

[cloudberrybrew]

The "evidence," you speak of... is that the isolated, non connected, anecdotal reports from people that aren't paying attention to all the unknown variables?

None of the reports have sufficiently proved that THEY KNOW the state of the cell in their location. Thus, my suggestion. Under a tower, the variables such as tower state can be ignored. No, I am not suggesting iPhone owners only attempt calls under a tower... I am suggestion you eliminate the unknown variable of the INVISIBLE cell reception were you think you have the issue.

If you can reproduce this under a tower, then and only then can wer hypothesize something might be wrong. In every other case the unknown variables make the evidence worthless.

as before, heres that picture I made for you of the perfect tower in the perfect world you want

 

[-aggie-]

And buildings all around. We don't know what the cell signals are doing... because they are invisible. This does not suffice. We need a tower that could not possibly have buildings affecting it's broadcast.

What is the BFD? Go find a tower that isn't in a cell-problematic metropolis, make me eat my words, dangit!

Please explain what you are trying to prove. You’re not making much sense.

 

[peterdevries]

I'm actually quite interested in getting an iphone4 as a replacement for my 3G.

Does this problem only occur when the space between the two antennas is bridged?

I just looked how I hold my 3G and I normally wouldn't hold it in such a way that I would cover the gap.

 

[tigres]

Nope. That guy is in his apartment, with all sorts of buildings for reflection (it is already known that in a highrise area, with tall buildings, cell does wonky things).

Please. It's so simple. Leave your fortress of solitude, go driving around, and find a cell tower. Eliminate the variables of opaque objects blocking and reflecting cell. Have a direct line of sight to the tower.

If you can't reproduce the dropped call effect with direct line of sight to a close tower, then there is no issue. If you do not follow the instructions precisely, then you are adding unknowable variables, and your results are suspect.

R U kidding me?

 

[LucidMac]

What?!?!?

WOOHOO!!! So we now have official word from Steve Jobs that the issue is 99.9% software and will be fixed with the new iOS4 update which may be out Monday?

Great news!

How in the h3ll did you reach this conclusion from that email. You know what? I have an iPhone 4 and a MacBook Pro. I like Apple for the most part. But some of you fanboys are just unbelievable. Reading some of these posts sounds like a group religious desciples attempting to interpret the words of some kind of Prophet. Some of you guys are just plain nuts. Can you hear me now?

 

[ianray]

Under a REAL cell tower this variable is eliminated because cell towers are spaced for coverage and the signals do not compete.

With respect, chill1n, are you an RF engineer?

Tower location and cell size involve many factors. Note that if "signals do not compete", then it would not be possible to hand-over from one cell to another -- and this, of course, is a fundamental aspect of cellular technology