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Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!
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*yawn* I wish I could say I got some decent sleep today, but that's not the case.
Ok, so, like the Wife wanted something to eat, and I figured well crap, I'm gonna have to go outside (it's 104F outside as I'm typing this and I just got back) here in downtown Las Vegas. The place I went to get some food is a Subway restaurant located at the corner of Fremont and 6th Street (you can all verify this with Google Maps, etc).
As luck would have it, the Subway is located in the northwest corner of the building, ground floor. As I was looking out the windows/doorways, I noticed something quite interesting:
A cell site. On the ground, with a tower of course. But, more importantly a cell site that I can stand under, as directly as anyone could possibly stand under one since they're always caged in a fence to keep people like me out, of course. I snapped a screenshot of Google Maps with the address visible so any of you can punch in the address and you'll see it yourself - if you choose Street View you'll need to look due west (turn around) to see it because the Street View defaults to due east).
So, folks, here's the cell site but keep in mind this picture was taken over 2 years ago when the condominium structure (leftmost building in the picture) was still under construction. As of today, that lot is entirely empty, but the building on the right (the car repair/tire shop) is still there, and the cell site is still there and still functional, obviously.
I waited for the food to be finished, then I headed out and walked across the street (if you use Google Street View, and you change the direction so you're looking southeast, you'll spot an orange-yellowish colored building, that's the El Cortez casino hotel). The cell site is literally about 200 feet from the corner of the El Cortez so it was like, 1 minute to walk the distance.
Because the lot there (as shown on the Street View) was filled with construction equipment in the past when the Street View image was snapped, things are different now: it's a totally vacant lot and the only thing on that half-block still standing is the cell site itself (fenced in) and the car repair/tire shop on the northeast corner.
I walked over, got within 2 feet of the fence, made sure Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth were disabled, reset the Network settings, turned off the iPhone 4 for 1 minute and then turned it back on.
Having said that, here's a disclaimer: it's freakin' hot outside, seriously, but don't go there and accuse the phone of being non-functional because of the temps, you're just going to be accused of making excuses - and I'll go back at 3AM and do this test again and you'll look even more stupid when the results are identical.
Anyway, I turned the phone back on and waited for it to acquire 3G service. Considering my proximity to that cell site (and I have no idea who owns it, I have to say that as well), it obviously would have been the strongest possible signal that anyone is going to acquire in that particular situation.
Once the signal was acquired - yes, 5 full bars - I held the phone in my left hand, aka exactly how Steve Jobs apparently thinks is the wrong way even in spite of evidence showing that 90%+ of humans hold such a device precisely the same way, and watched the signal degrade to 4 bars, then 3 bars, then 2 bars, and finally 1 bar.
It went from 5 bars to 1 bar with the phone held "normally" in my left hand while standing under a cell tower.
But it gets better.
I then repeated my at-home-on-the-balcony-experiment:
I held the phone in the right hand, three fingertips in contact with the iPhone 4: right thumb placed to the immediate right of the Home button, the index and middle fingertips placed along the lower back on the glass, with zero skin contact with any metal components of the phone.
And yes, the food was in the bag sitting on the ground, the direct sunlight (the sun was just over the northeast corner of the condo and shining directly on me and the ground) keeping the subs nice and warm.
I took my Dim Mak-certified left fingertip and placed it on the seam, lower left hand side as I did at home both inside and outside my apartment, and voila... 5 bars... 4 bars... 3 bars... 2 bars... 1 bar... no bars... no service...
I killed my iPhone 4 with a fingertip while standing under a cell tower.
I don't know what else I or anyone can/could possibly do. I can't make a video of my travails since the camera in the iPhone 4 is the only one I have (my Motorola and LG cheapy cell phones don't have such luxuries, sorry). I don't know what else I or anyone can/could do to make it more clear than it already is, I don't have the money to go get a video camera to document all this, and it really doesn't matter.
People like chill1n are never going to admit that there's a problem with the iPhone 4 that doesn't exist in any other product designed to be a hand-held cellular phone that isn't working as a hand-held cellular phone.
Believe whatever you want, I could care less at this point. I'll keep the phone until the so-called still completely unofficial "fix" is released, and then it'll be returned. I didn't pay for it, but the person that did buy it for me is well aware of the issue, has witnessed it personally, already owns a 3GS and doesn't have such problems with his iPhone. The issue is a hardware defect (disabled with a touch) and potentially linked with a software glitch (the phone not adapting to the attenuation caused by the touch of a finger or skin contact).
If you're not having problems with your iPhone 4, congratulations.
But I do. End of story.
"Your Honor, the prosecution rests..."
Ok, so, like the Wife wanted something to eat, and I figured well crap, I'm gonna have to go outside (it's 104F outside as I'm typing this and I just got back) here in downtown Las Vegas. The place I went to get some food is a Subway restaurant located at the corner of Fremont and 6th Street (you can all verify this with Google Maps, etc).
As luck would have it, the Subway is located in the northwest corner of the building, ground floor. As I was looking out the windows/doorways, I noticed something quite interesting:
A cell site. On the ground, with a tower of course. But, more importantly a cell site that I can stand under, as directly as anyone could possibly stand under one since they're always caged in a fence to keep people like me out, of course. I snapped a screenshot of Google Maps with the address visible so any of you can punch in the address and you'll see it yourself - if you choose Street View you'll need to look due west (turn around) to see it because the Street View defaults to due east).
So, folks, here's the cell site but keep in mind this picture was taken over 2 years ago when the condominium structure (leftmost building in the picture) was still under construction. As of today, that lot is entirely empty, but the building on the right (the car repair/tire shop) is still there, and the cell site is still there and still functional, obviously.
I waited for the food to be finished, then I headed out and walked across the street (if you use Google Street View, and you change the direction so you're looking southeast, you'll spot an orange-yellowish colored building, that's the El Cortez casino hotel). The cell site is literally about 200 feet from the corner of the El Cortez so it was like, 1 minute to walk the distance.
Because the lot there (as shown on the Street View) was filled with construction equipment in the past when the Street View image was snapped, things are different now: it's a totally vacant lot and the only thing on that half-block still standing is the cell site itself (fenced in) and the car repair/tire shop on the northeast corner.
I walked over, got within 2 feet of the fence, made sure Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth were disabled, reset the Network settings, turned off the iPhone 4 for 1 minute and then turned it back on.
Having said that, here's a disclaimer: it's freakin' hot outside, seriously, but don't go there and accuse the phone of being non-functional because of the temps, you're just going to be accused of making excuses - and I'll go back at 3AM and do this test again and you'll look even more stupid when the results are identical.
Anyway, I turned the phone back on and waited for it to acquire 3G service. Considering my proximity to that cell site (and I have no idea who owns it, I have to say that as well), it obviously would have been the strongest possible signal that anyone is going to acquire in that particular situation.
Once the signal was acquired - yes, 5 full bars - I held the phone in my left hand, aka exactly how Steve Jobs apparently thinks is the wrong way even in spite of evidence showing that 90%+ of humans hold such a device precisely the same way, and watched the signal degrade to 4 bars, then 3 bars, then 2 bars, and finally 1 bar.
It went from 5 bars to 1 bar with the phone held "normally" in my left hand while standing under a cell tower.
But it gets better.
I then repeated my at-home-on-the-balcony-experiment:
I held the phone in the right hand, three fingertips in contact with the iPhone 4: right thumb placed to the immediate right of the Home button, the index and middle fingertips placed along the lower back on the glass, with zero skin contact with any metal components of the phone.
And yes, the food was in the bag sitting on the ground, the direct sunlight (the sun was just over the northeast corner of the condo and shining directly on me and the ground) keeping the subs nice and warm.
I took my Dim Mak-certified left fingertip and placed it on the seam, lower left hand side as I did at home both inside and outside my apartment, and voila... 5 bars... 4 bars... 3 bars... 2 bars... 1 bar... no bars... no service...
I killed my iPhone 4 with a fingertip while standing under a cell tower.
I don't know what else I or anyone can/could possibly do. I can't make a video of my travails since the camera in the iPhone 4 is the only one I have (my Motorola and LG cheapy cell phones don't have such luxuries, sorry). I don't know what else I or anyone can/could do to make it more clear than it already is, I don't have the money to go get a video camera to document all this, and it really doesn't matter.
People like chill1n are never going to admit that there's a problem with the iPhone 4 that doesn't exist in any other product designed to be a hand-held cellular phone that isn't working as a hand-held cellular phone.
Believe whatever you want, I could care less at this point. I'll keep the phone until the so-called still completely unofficial "fix" is released, and then it'll be returned. I didn't pay for it, but the person that did buy it for me is well aware of the issue, has witnessed it personally, already owns a 3GS and doesn't have such problems with his iPhone. The issue is a hardware defect (disabled with a touch) and potentially linked with a software glitch (the phone not adapting to the attenuation caused by the touch of a finger or skin contact).
If you're not having problems with your iPhone 4, congratulations.
But I do. End of story.
"Your Honor, the prosecution rests..."
My 2G will happily run on a single charge for 4+ days on light call, SMS and web usage.
I have to surf with poor signal (or on GPRS) or play a 3D game for a few hours to kill it within a day.
I'm sure my 4 would have that kind of luck if I forced it to Edge and played not very intensive games.
*yawn* I wish I could say I got some decent sleep today, but that's not the case.
Ok, so, like the Wife wanted something to eat, and I figured well crap, I'm gonna have to go outside (it's 104F outside as I'm typing this and I just got back) here in downtown Las Vegas. The place I went to get some food is a Subway restaurant located at the corner of Fremont and 6th Street (you can all verify this with Google Maps, etc).
As luck would have it, the Subway is located in the northwest corner of the building, ground floor. As I was looking out the windows/doorways, I noticed something quite interesting:
A cell site. On the ground, with a tower of course. But, more importantly a cell site that I can stand under, as directly as anyone could possibly stand under one since they're always caged in a fence to keep people like me out, of course. I snapped a screenshot of Google Maps with the address visible so any of you can punch in the address and you'll see it yourself - if you choose Street View you'll need to look due west (turn around) to see it because the Street View defaults to due east).
So, folks, here's the cell site but keep in mind this picture was taken over 2 years ago when the condominium structure (leftmost building in the picture) was still under construction. As of today, that lot is entirely empty, but the building on the right (the car repair/tire shop) is still there, and the cell site is still there and still functional, obviously.
I waited for the food to be finished, then I headed out and walked across the street (if you use Google Street View, and you change the direction so you're looking southeast, you'll spot an orange-yellowish colored building, that's the El Cortez casino hotel). The cell site is literally about 200 feet from the corner of the El Cortez so it was like, 1 minute to walk the distance.
Because the lot there (as shown on the Street View) was filled with construction equipment in the past when the Street View image was snapped, things are different now: it's a totally vacant lot and the only thing on that half-block still standing is the cell site itself (fenced in) and the car repair/tire shop on the northeast corner.
I walked over, got within 2 feet of the fence, made sure Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth were disabled, reset the Network settings, turned off the iPhone 4 for 1 minute and then turned it back on.
Having said that, here's a disclaimer: it's freakin' hot outside, seriously, but don't go there and accuse the phone of being non-functional because of the temps, you're just going to be accused of making excuses - and I'll go back at 3AM and do this test again and you'll look even more stupid when the results are identical.
Anyway, I turned the phone back on and waited for it to acquire 3G service. Considering my proximity to that cell site (and I have no idea who owns it, I have to say that as well), it obviously would have been the strongest possible signal that anyone is going to acquire in that particular situation.
Once the signal was acquired - yes, 5 full bars - I held the phone in my left hand, aka exactly how Steve Jobs apparently thinks is the wrong way even in spite of evidence showing that 90%+ of humans hold such a device precisely the same way, and watched the signal degrade to 4 bars, then 3 bars, then 2 bars, and finally 1 bar.
It went from 5 bars to 1 bar with the phone held "normally" in my left hand while standing under a cell tower.
But it gets better.
I then repeated my at-home-on-the-balcony-experiment:
I held the phone in the right hand, three fingertips in contact with the iPhone 4: right thumb placed to the immediate right of the Home button, the index and middle fingertips placed along the lower back on the glass, with zero skin contact with any metal components of the phone.
And yes, the food was in the bag sitting on the ground, the direct sunlight (the sun was just over the northeast corner of the condo and shining directly on me and the ground) keeping the subs nice and warm.
I took my Dim Mak-certified left fingertip and placed it on the seam, lower left hand side as I did at home both inside and outside my apartment, and voila... 5 bars... 4 bars... 3 bars... 2 bars... 1 bar... no bars... no service...
I killed my iPhone 4 with a fingertip while standing under a cell tower.
I don't know what else I or anyone can/could possibly due. I can't make a video of my travails since the camera in the iPhone 4 is the only one I have (my Motorola and LG cheapy cell phones don't have such luxuries, sorry). I don't know what else I or anyone can/could do to make it more clear than it already is, I don't have the money to go get a video camera to document all this, and it really doesn't matter.
People like chill1n are never going to admit that there's a problem with the iPhone 4 that doesn't exist in any other product designed to be a hand-held cellular phone that isn't working as a hand-held cellular phone.
Believe whatever you want, I could care less at this point. I'll keep the phone until the so-called still completely unofficial "fix" is released, and then it'll be returned. I didn't pay for it, but the person that did buy it for me is well aware of the issue, has witnessed it personally, already owns a 3GS and doesn't have such problems with his iPhone. The issue is a hardware defect (disabled with a touch) and potentially linked with a software glitch (the phone not adapting to the attenuation caused by the touch of a finger or skin contact).
If you're not having problems with your iPhone 4, congratulations.
But I do. End of story.
"Your Honor, the prosecution rests..."
software issue
like i said a few pages ago, to the people just simply arguing, our arguments are valid and we know wtf we're talking about, ffs ****, this thread is dead.
Thanks broadband
I don't own an iPhone. If you read my post, you would know that I own a Samsung Intensity. Yes, that's right everyone. I own a dumbphone.
I'm not on AT&T either. But that's neither here nor there.
I don't need to own a Kia to know what kind of issues it has. I don't need to jump off a cliff to know it'll hurt when I hit the bottom. When smartphones started coming on the scene, I did a lot of research. When several dozen people that I know got iPhones, I asked all of them about their experience. And guess what, the majority of my iPhone wielding contacts from New York to LA to DC to Boston to Santa Fe to San Francisco told me that it's a garbage phone. And I have personal experience with that, as it's become almost impossible to get a hold of an iPhone using friend unless they're in their optimum reception zone, which is usually a corner of the top story of their house, or something ridiculous like that.
When it comes to a VZW iPhone, here's the honest truth:
If the iPhone comes to Verizon, there's no way I'm buying it when it first comes out. Such a product would be Apple's first shot at a CDMA iPhone, and, unless reviews are 100% amazing, I'm never buying the first generation of anything.
Simple simple simple.
This is a widespread and very really issue. I can do it on my iPhone and my roommates iPhone. Anyone that claims that this is not an issue because they can't reproduce it is sorely mistaking. I don't need to stand under a cell phone tower or do anything else, I should be able to hold my phone any way i want to and have it operations. All phones my experience some problems when held a certain way, but I go from full signal to no service in about 30 seconds when holding the phone in my left hand.
So anyhow, let's see if tomorrow, the next day, or say sometime in the very near future Apple releases a software fix that actually fixes the problem. Many have already pointed out that they couldn't get away with simply making it look like you have more bars than you really do -- it'd be pretty easy to discover that trick.
Then we can quit speculating on what the problem is, if it's hardware or software, what SJ meant when he said it's not an issue, etc. etc. etc.
This is a widespread and very really issue. I can do it on my iPhone and my roommates iPhone. Anyone that claims that this is not an issue because they can't reproduce it is sorely mistaking. I don't need to stand under a cell phone tower or do anything else, I should be able to hold my phone any way i want to and have it operations. All phones my experience some problems when held a certain way, but I go from full signal to no service in about 30 seconds when holding the phone in my left hand.
So anyhow, let's see if tomorrow, the next day, or say sometime in the very near future Apple releases a software fix that actually fixes the problem. Many have already pointed out that they couldn't get away with simply making it look like you have more bars than you really do -- it'd be pretty easy to discover that trick.
Then we can quit speculating on what the problem is, if it's hardware or software, what SJ meant when he said it's not an issue, etc. etc. etc.
English isn't my first language either.
As for being "snobbish and rude" in my manner of correcting grammar, it was addressed to some guy who has been lecturing everyone else on scientific methods, questioning their grasp of logic and reason, and bragging about a Master's degree. Maybe it's just me but I approach communication in a right-back-at-ya kind of way. If you're nice, you get nice Anuba. If you're a ****, you get spelling nazi Anuba.
*yawn* I wish I could say I got some decent sleep today, but that's not the case.
Ok, so, like the Wife wanted something to eat, and I figured well crap, I'm gonna have to go outside (it's 104F outside as I'm typing this and I just got back) here in downtown Las Vegas. The place I went to get some food is a Subway restaurant located at the corner of Fremont and 6th Street (you can all verify this with Google Maps, etc).
As luck would have it, the Subway is located in the northwest corner of the building, ground floor. As I was looking out the windows/doorways, I noticed something quite interesting:
A cell site. On the ground, with a tower of course. But, more importantly a cell site that I can stand under, as directly as anyone could possibly stand under one since they're always caged in a fence to keep people like me out, of course. I snapped a screenshot of Google Maps with the address visible so any of you can punch in the address and you'll see it yourself - if you choose Street View you'll need to look due west (turn around) to see it because the Street View defaults to due east).
So, folks, here's the cell site but keep in mind this picture was taken over 2 years ago when the condominium structure (leftmost building in the picture) was still under construction. As of today, that lot is entirely empty, but the building on the right (the car repair/tire shop) is still there, and the cell site is still there and still functional, obviously.
I waited for the food to be finished, then I headed out and walked across the street (if you use Google Street View, and you change the direction so you're looking southeast, you'll spot an orange-yellowish colored building, that's the El Cortez casino hotel). The cell site is literally about 200 feet from the corner of the El Cortez so it was like, 1 minute to walk the distance.
Because the lot there (as shown on the Street View) was filled with construction equipment in the past when the Street View image was snapped, things are different now: it's a totally vacant lot and the only thing on that half-block still standing is the cell site itself (fenced in) and the car repair/tire shop on the northeast corner.
I walked over, got within 2 feet of the fence, made sure Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth were disabled, reset the Network settings, turned off the iPhone 4 for 1 minute and then turned it back on.
Having said that, here's a disclaimer: it's freakin' hot outside, seriously, but don't go there and accuse the phone of being non-functional because of the temps, you're just going to be accused of making excuses - and I'll go back at 3AM and do this test again and you'll look even more stupid when the results are identical.
Anyway, I turned the phone back on and waited for it to acquire 3G service. Considering my proximity to that cell site (and I have no idea who owns it, I have to say that as well), it obviously would have been the strongest possible signal that anyone is going to acquire in that particular situation.
Once the signal was acquired - yes, 5 full bars - I held the phone in my left hand, aka exactly how Steve Jobs apparently thinks is the wrong way even in spite of evidence showing that 90%+ of humans hold such a device precisely the same way, and watched the signal degrade to 4 bars, then 3 bars, then 2 bars, and finally 1 bar.
It went from 5 bars to 1 bar with the phone held "normally" in my left hand while standing under a cell tower.
But it gets better.
I then repeated my at-home-on-the-balcony-experiment:
I held the phone in the right hand, three fingertips in contact with the iPhone 4: right thumb placed to the immediate right of the Home button, the index and middle fingertips placed along the lower back on the glass, with zero skin contact with any metal components of the phone.
And yes, the food was in the bag sitting on the ground, the direct sunlight (the sun was just over the northeast corner of the condo and shining directly on me and the ground) keeping the subs nice and warm.
I took my Dim Mak-certified left fingertip and placed it on the seam, lower left hand side as I did at home both inside and outside my apartment, and voila... 5 bars... 4 bars... 3 bars... 2 bars... 1 bar... no bars... no service...
I killed my iPhone 4 with a fingertip while standing under a cell tower.
I don't know what else I or anyone can/could possibly due. I can't make a video of my travails since the camera in the iPhone 4 is the only one I have (my Motorola and LG cheapy cell phones don't have such luxuries, sorry). I don't know what else I or anyone can/could do to make it more clear than it already is, I don't have the money to go get a video camera to document all this, and it really doesn't matter.
People like chill1n are never going to admit that there's a problem with the iPhone 4 that doesn't exist in any other product designed to be a hand-held cellular phone that isn't working as a hand-held cellular phone.
Believe whatever you want, I could care less at this point. I'll keep the phone until the so-called still completely unofficial "fix" is released, and then it'll be returned. I didn't pay for it, but the person that did buy it for me is well aware of the issue, has witnessed it personally, already owns a 3GS and doesn't have such problems with his iPhone. The issue is a hardware defect (disabled with a touch) and potentially linked with a software glitch (the phone not adapting to the attenuation caused by the touch of a finger or skin contact).
If you're not having problems with your iPhone 4, congratulations.
But I do. End of story.
"Your Honor, the prosecution rests..."
What a bummer for you, mine wont lose the connection even when it drops a bar or two. I would take it back, you have your proof.
It seems to those of us who have English as a second language, we generally speak it better than a ton of people on this forum
*yawn* I wish I could say I got some decent sleep today, but that's not the case.
Ok, so, like the Wife wanted something to eat, and I figured well crap, I'm gonna have to go outside (it's 104F outside as I'm typing this and I just got back) here in downtown Las Vegas. The place I went to get some food is a Subway restaurant located at the corner of Fremont and 6th Street (you can all verify this with Google Maps, etc).
As luck would have it, the Subway is located in the northwest corner of the building, ground floor. As I was looking out the windows/doorways, I noticed something quite interesting:
A cell site. On the ground, with a tower of course. But, more importantly a cell site that I can stand under, as directly as anyone could possibly stand under one since they're always caged in a fence to keep people like me out, of course. I snapped a screenshot of Google Maps with the address visible so any of you can punch in the address and you'll see it yourself - if you choose Street View you'll need to look due west (turn around) to see it because the Street View defaults to due east).
So, folks, here's the cell site but keep in mind this picture was taken over 2 years ago when the condominium structure (leftmost building in the picture) was still under construction. As of today, that lot is entirely empty, but the building on the right (the car repair/tire shop) is still there, and the cell site is still there and still functional, obviously.
I waited for the food to be finished, then I headed out and walked across the street (if you use Google Street View, and you change the direction so you're looking southeast, you'll spot an orange-yellowish colored building, that's the El Cortez casino hotel). The cell site is literally about 200 feet from the corner of the El Cortez so it was like, 1 minute to walk the distance.
Because the lot there (as shown on the Street View) was filled with construction equipment in the past when the Street View image was snapped, things are different now: it's a totally vacant lot and the only thing on that half-block still standing is the cell site itself (fenced in) and the car repair/tire shop on the northeast corner.
I walked over, got within 2 feet of the fence, made sure Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth were disabled, reset the Network settings, turned off the iPhone 4 for 1 minute and then turned it back on.
Having said that, here's a disclaimer: it's freakin' hot outside, seriously, but don't go there and accuse the phone of being non-functional because of the temps, you're just going to be accused of making excuses - and I'll go back at 3AM and do this test again and you'll look even more stupid when the results are identical.
Anyway, I turned the phone back on and waited for it to acquire 3G service. Considering my proximity to that cell site (and I have no idea who owns it, I have to say that as well), it obviously would have been the strongest possible signal that anyone is going to acquire in that particular situation.
Once the signal was acquired - yes, 5 full bars - I held the phone in my left hand, aka exactly how Steve Jobs apparently thinks is the wrong way even in spite of evidence showing that 90%+ of humans hold such a device precisely the same way, and watched the signal degrade to 4 bars, then 3 bars, then 2 bars, and finally 1 bar.
It went from 5 bars to 1 bar with the phone held "normally" in my left hand while standing under a cell tower.
But it gets better.
I then repeated my at-home-on-the-balcony-experiment:
I held the phone in the right hand, three fingertips in contact with the iPhone 4: right thumb placed to the immediate right of the Home button, the index and middle fingertips placed along the lower back on the glass, with zero skin contact with any metal components of the phone.
And yes, the food was in the bag sitting on the ground, the direct sunlight (the sun was just over the northeast corner of the condo and shining directly on me and the ground) keeping the subs nice and warm.
I took my Dim Mak-certified left fingertip and placed it on the seam, lower left hand side as I did at home both inside and outside my apartment, and voila... 5 bars... 4 bars... 3 bars... 2 bars... 1 bar... no bars... no service...
I killed my iPhone 4 with a fingertip while standing under a cell tower.
I don't know what else I or anyone can/could possibly do. I can't make a video of my travails since the camera in the iPhone 4 is the only one I have (my Motorola and LG cheapy cell phones don't have such luxuries, sorry). I don't know what else I or anyone can/could do to make it more clear than it already is, I don't have the money to go get a video camera to document all this, and it really doesn't matter.
People like chill1n are never going to admit that there's a problem with the iPhone 4 that doesn't exist in any other product designed to be a hand-held cellular phone that isn't working as a hand-held cellular phone.
Believe whatever you want, I could care less at this point. I'll keep the phone until the so-called still completely unofficial "fix" is released, and then it'll be returned. I didn't pay for it, but the person that did buy it for me is well aware of the issue, has witnessed it personally, already owns a 3GS and doesn't have such problems with his iPhone. The issue is a hardware defect (disabled with a touch) and potentially linked with a software glitch (the phone not adapting to the attenuation caused by the touch of a finger or skin contact).
If you're not having problems with your iPhone 4, congratulations.
But I do. End of story.
"Your Honor, the prosecution rests..."
This is legend. Thank you.
I expect he is answering 100 messages per hour while he is online. Hence, terse.
I like the fact that Jobs, unlike every other CEO, communicates directly to the public, raw and unfiltered. If you want carefully crafted statements, waited fro the Apple PR department.
*yawn* I wish I could say I got some decent sleep today, but that's not the case.
Ok, so, like the Wife wanted something to eat, and I figured well crap, I'm gonna have to go outside (it's 104F outside as I'm typing this and I just got back) here in downtown Las Vegas. The place I went to get some food is a Subway restaurant located at the corner of Fremont and 6th Street (you can all verify this with Google Maps, etc).
As luck would have it, the Subway is located in the northwest corner of the building, ground floor. As I was looking out the windows/doorways, I noticed something quite interesting:
A cell site. On the ground, with a tower of course. But, more importantly a cell site that I can stand under, as directly as anyone could possibly stand under one since they're always caged in a fence to keep people like me out, of course. I snapped a screenshot of Google Maps with the address visible so any of you can punch in the address and you'll see it yourself - if you choose Street View you'll need to look due west (turn around) to see it because the Street View defaults to due east).
So, folks, here's the cell site but keep in mind this picture was taken over 2 years ago when the condominium structure (leftmost building in the picture) was still under construction. As of today, that lot is entirely empty, but the building on the right (the car repair/tire shop) is still there, and the cell site is still there and still functional, obviously.
I waited for the food to be finished, then I headed out and walked across the street (if you use Google Street View, and you change the direction so you're looking southeast, you'll spot an orange-yellowish colored building, that's the El Cortez casino hotel). The cell site is literally about 200 feet from the corner of the El Cortez so it was like, 1 minute to walk the distance.
Because the lot there (as shown on the Street View) was filled with construction equipment in the past when the Street View image was snapped, things are different now: it's a totally vacant lot and the only thing on that half-block still standing is the cell site itself (fenced in) and the car repair/tire shop on the northeast corner.
I walked over, got within 2 feet of the fence, made sure Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth were disabled, reset the Network settings, turned off the iPhone 4 for 1 minute and then turned it back on.
Having said that, here's a disclaimer: it's freakin' hot outside, seriously, but don't go there and accuse the phone of being non-functional because of the temps, you're just going to be accused of making excuses - and I'll go back at 3AM and do this test again and you'll look even more stupid when the results are identical.
Anyway, I turned the phone back on and waited for it to acquire 3G service. Considering my proximity to that cell site (and I have no idea who owns it, I have to say that as well), it obviously would have been the strongest possible signal that anyone is going to acquire in that particular situation.
Once the signal was acquired - yes, 5 full bars - I held the phone in my left hand, aka exactly how Steve Jobs apparently thinks is the wrong way even in spite of evidence showing that 90%+ of humans hold such a device precisely the same way, and watched the signal degrade to 4 bars, then 3 bars, then 2 bars, and finally 1 bar.
It went from 5 bars to 1 bar with the phone held "normally" in my left hand while standing under a cell tower.
But it gets better.
I then repeated my at-home-on-the-balcony-experiment:
I held the phone in the right hand, three fingertips in contact with the iPhone 4: right thumb placed to the immediate right of the Home button, the index and middle fingertips placed along the lower back on the glass, with zero skin contact with any metal components of the phone.
And yes, the food was in the bag sitting on the ground, the direct sunlight (the sun was just over the northeast corner of the condo and shining directly on me and the ground) keeping the subs nice and warm.
I took my Dim Mak-certified left fingertip and placed it on the seam, lower left hand side as I did at home both inside and outside my apartment, and voila... 5 bars... 4 bars... 3 bars... 2 bars... 1 bar... no bars... no service...
I killed my iPhone 4 with a fingertip while standing under a cell tower.
I don't know what else I or anyone can/could possibly do. I can't make a video of my travails since the camera in the iPhone 4 is the only one I have (my Motorola and LG cheapy cell phones don't have such luxuries, sorry). I don't know what else I or anyone can/could do to make it more clear than it already is, I don't have the money to go get a video camera to document all this, and it really doesn't matter.
People like chill1n are never going to admit that there's a problem with the iPhone 4 that doesn't exist in any other product designed to be a hand-held cellular phone that isn't working as a hand-held cellular phone.
Believe whatever you want, I could care less at this point. I'll keep the phone until the so-called still completely unofficial "fix" is released, and then it'll be returned. I didn't pay for it, but the person that did buy it for me is well aware of the issue, has witnessed it personally, already owns a 3GS and doesn't have such problems with his iPhone. The issue is a hardware defect (disabled with a touch) and potentially linked with a software glitch (the phone not adapting to the attenuation caused by the touch of a finger or skin contact).
If you're not having problems with your iPhone 4, congratulations.
But I do. End of story.
"Your Honor, the prosecution rests..."
So, did the tower belong to AT&T?
Oh yeah, to continue this forums tradition... photographic evidence that it belongs to AT&T or you're wrong.
software issue
like i said a few pages ago, to the people just simply arguing, our arguments are valid and we know wtf we're talking about, ffs ****, this thread is dead.
Thanks broadband
I agree with you. I mentioned a long time ago in this thread that I've done some embedded programming before where I had to interpret multiple sensors, etc... and to me this clearly looks like a software issue.
It's certainly possible that having the antenna on the outside isn't working, but I can't imagine that getting all the way through engineering. SJ may be a jerk sometimes, but he also come across as a perfectionist who simply would not stand for his flagship product to drop calls at this rate by simply touching a certain spot.
My guess is that touching the left corner should cause the software to adjust how it attenuates the antenna and it's not happening as it should.
If/When Apple can't issue a software fix is when I'll believe that they totally borked the hardware design. At that point, I think there is likely an entire engineering team at Apple that will be looking for a new job.
I'm sure you could but that wasn't my point, which was that smart phones do last longer than a day in a single charge. Even ones with two and a half year old batteries.
haha yeah and I told everyone I was a nokia-siemens networking higher-up, but no one listens these days
Apparently you lack sufficient reading comprehension as that info about the tower's ownership is in the post, so I'll dismiss your question, thanks.
The issue doesn't lie with AT&T, it lies with the phone.
Just for the record: there is an AT&T building (a central office) two streets southwest of that cell site and it's signal is completely and totally blocked from line-of-sight transmission to that cell site because of that now fully constructed condominium tower; I can walk over and stand under that building if you want - it has a cell site on top, later tonight when it cools down, but then you and others will say "Oh the building itself is causing the signal issues."
The phone is defective, period.
You peeps still playing in here? Or is meaningful discussion once again ensued?
Here a chew bit for ya...
Called AT&T this evening, been having some 3G issues spotty doing some speedtesting. Ether way, called them up to see what the trouble might be. I AM NOT having the signal issues BTW.
At any rate, guy checks the area (MI) and says... whoa.. never seen that before.. I say... what???
He goes to tell me that the entire nation Inclusive of Alaska and Hawaii are having issues, due to a nationwide system update- stemming from the iPhone 4.
Tried to get more detail, but got disconnected
Either way could be another point of interest to the saga. Or Not...
Hmmm....I hope that's true
Your little experiment has been performed by broadband. This should be the end of your postings in this thread and maybe the thread can discuss something actually meaningful. Anything further is just trolling, IMO.
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Sigh. There are hundreds of reports on the forums of issues - perhaps not of standing under a cell tower and 10s of thousands self reported problems on the forums.
You keep moving the bat out in the name of science but you are misusing the term just to further your doubts.
There is a signal problem for thousands of iPhone 4s at least. It is a out of proportion to the normal signal attenuation problem seen on all cell phones. It can be mimicked by shorting the two antennas by a piece if metal.
Phones that are affected or not affected can be flipped to thenother state simply based on location.. There has been no direct examples of two phones having different behavior when in the same location.
I suspect every iPhone 4 has this potential defect and is entirely an issue related to the cell signal at the time of use.
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chill1n said:
Sigh. There are hundreds of reports on the forums of issues - perhaps not of standing under a cell tower and 10s of thousands self reported problems on the forums.
You keep moving the bat out in the name of science but you are misusing the term just to further your doubts.
There is a signal problem for thousands of iPhone 4s at least. It is a out of proportion to the normal signal attenuation problem seen on all cell phones. It can be mimicked by shorting the two antennas by a piece if metal.
Phones that are affected or not affected can be flipped to thenother state simply based on location.. There has been no direct examples of two phones having different behavior when in the same location.
I suspect every iPhone 4 has this potential defect and is entirely an issue related to the cell signal at the time of use.
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