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You were ad hominem* long before you said I was unbelievable. (e.g., "You are simply amazing", "It's great to know that some fanboys think highly of huge corporations trying to intimidate the free press. You guys really are something." and later "Hmm, you call that behaviour professional?").

* ad ho•mi•nem adjective attacking an opponent’s motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain
Weird. You looked up the definition, yet you reckon that a perception of whether a person is professional or not (in this case Steve Job's opening remark on the phone) is considered an ad hominem in your book?



Woah, slow down there. I missed one thing you said, which is quite different from ignoring it and pretending it didn't exist.
Well, when it's there in plain view, in the same paragraph as the sentence you remarked upon, I have a hard time believing someone "missed" it.

To say that I "ignored anything and everything you said" is completely false. If you will, ahem, reread my posts...
I reread them, and I see you edited it a bit.


I may be a fan... but I'm no tosser..

Third grader tactics has happened before – even in this thread. Doesn't anyone at least have a litle imagination?


You really have got some attitude, haven't you? Almost every thread I see that you have participated in ends up like this. It is clear that you enjoy conflict, but might you take it elsewhere?
Good job taking everything out of context. You could simply ignore my posts.

To be honest, I'm sick of reading your posts.
If it doesn't take more to make you sick, then don't read them.

And it is now so very clear why your username is what it is.
More third-grader tactics :rolleyes:
 
I'm glad to see this report. Steve Jobs, the leader of Apple is the most important person in the company. His value to the company and to the technology industry cannot be understated.

Overall, the media coverage of his "appearance" has gone too.

All the best to you Steve and here's to your health :apple:
 
To the reporter:
If it was going to be off the record I would have said no thanks and hung up. By knowing the info here is in a no win situation. He can't tell anyone. If the info leaks out, Steve will blame him.
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Specific medical information is off the record. That was given to the reporter so that he could feel that he's not being snowed by Jobs.

But Jobs most certainly wanted the general information on his health circulated and published. Given the rumors and their effect on Apple press and their business, it was one way of settling the rumors.

And the manner he did it may have been one calculated to get the reporter's attention. Some folks you can handle with soft words; some with abuse. Certainly, his words also were meant for more than just the columnist---it seemed more calculated for the folks who read the columns.
 
Steve this Steve that.

Is Steve a nice guy?, a Jerk?, a Buddhist saint?

I don't care what he's like personally, but I imagine he's a very private person.

I'm just REALLY glad he's going to be with us for a while.

(Frankly, I was getting nervous)

After all, I'm Apple addict and he's my main pusher.

geesh, close call eh?
 
Specific medical information is off the record. That was given to the reporter so that he could feel that he's not being snowed by Jobs.

But Jobs most certainly wanted the general information on his health circulated and published. Given the rumors and their effect on Apple press and their business, it was one way of settling the rumors.

And the manner he did it may have been one calculated to get the reporter's attention. Some folks you can handle with soft words; some with abuse. Certainly, his words also were meant for more than just the columnist---it seemed more calculated for the folks who read the columns.

Yes, but the way he's gone about it is puzzling. The company could just as easily have sent out a press release. It's not like Joe Nocera is the only the only person writing about Steve's health.

Incidentally, it bears mentioning that Jobs' cancer isn't "cured." This is his spin, which unfortunately the MR cover story repeats as though it was true. In a few more years, his doctors might call him cured if the cancer does not reoccur, and his chances of getting it again are no more than the general population. In the meantime, he is considered cancer-free or in remission, but still at risk. This is a major distinction that every cancer patient knows very well.
 
My parents had a very close friend, Yvonne, when I was growing up. She was a German woman, whose immediate family (from a larger, very well off family, in manufacturing) fled Germany when Hitler rose to power. She and her parents had seen the boxcars at the train stations, headed to the concentration camps.
Even though the larger family (who had done well under the Nazis and later) would send gifts and letters begging them to come back and visit Germany in the 60's and 70's, Yvonne never did. She faulted all Germany for the holocaust, and nothing would make her go back. She wasn't timid about letting her German relatives know it.
She was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer one fall in the late 70's (she, who ate the healthiest diet of anyone we knew, who was always out walking) in a small hospital by an oncologist who told her to enjoy her coming holidays, they would be her last. There was nothing he could do.
Thankfully, she had good health insurance (ah, another story- now, she probably would have had an HMO that paid for hospice), and we were in NY. She went to Sloan Kettering and had a Whipple Procedure (a horrible experience- she lost tons of weight, had to lie down and take a ton of pills when she ate anything or she would be a mess) but she lived.
Each year, she'd send a Christmas greeting to that first putz of a doc with the closing "still enjoying the holidays, and going strong"
Go strong, Steve. Maybe consider a few donations to cancer research and to groups that want to provide better health insurance to the masses. Instead of downplaying your experience for the sake of the shareholders, it could be an enlightening one. Think of it, the Apple Cancer Cure donation app, which would match to a certain amount what iPhone users could donate on their phones.
Think different.
 
Yup, I read about this yesterday morning with the iPhone Times App. Love the app and this was a very interesting story. I'm glad I read the entire article because some of the additional information is quite interesting.
 
Steve's Health?

How much will Apple stock drop when/if we went public, or when we retires. This man is a God among men. His vision is that of legend. Apple will falter for a while when Steve retires. I hope he never does, the iMac brought Apple back, iPod revolutionized the we all do music, and now the iPone, puts a Mac in your pocket and it's a phone. Genius, pure genius.
 
Get a life, all of you.

This thread is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen on MacRumors.

Close it down - Jobs health is none of our business.

LEAVE the guy alone, you weirdos.

There is NO, repeat NO, legal requirement for Jobs to tell ANYONE about his health.
 
It's good to hear that Steve is 'okay', but the Apple = Jobs equation clearly remains a concern for the future. Personally, I think Jobs' health is private. As far as Jobs being CEO of a Fortune 500 company is concerned, a responsibility does exist to ensure confidence in the company remains after he leaves. This is where Apple's secrecy does not help and people are just left to speculate.

I think important lessons have been learned since the mid-90s so I hope they don't return to that state of affairs. I read "Inside Steve's Brain" recently and got a good idea, through the anecdotal stories relayed in the book, about how hands-on Steve is. I think that while Steve is at Apple they need to produce a number of successful products where they can say "Hey, Steve actually had nothing to do with this".
 
I think important lessons have been learned since the mid-90s so I hope they don't return to that state of affairs. I read "Inside Steve's Brain" recently and got a good idea, through the anecdotal stories relayed in the book, about how hands-on Steve is. I think that while Steve is at Apple they need to produce a number of successful products where they can say "Hey, Steve actually had nothing to do with this".

If nothing else, the leadership succession needs to be more apparent. Even if his health allows him to continue running Apple effectively for several more years, we need to know something about where Apple will go in a the post-Steve era that everyone knows will come sooner or later.
 
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THX1139 said:
I personally think that Steve's health should be private, how would you like everyone on the web to know what conditions you may have? Just knowing that Steve will be OK is fine for me :)

I wonder if you would feel the same if you had several thousand tied up in Apple stock. If anything should happen to Steve before they groom a suitable replacement, Apple stock would plummet. Now, if I was thinking of buying stock in Apple, I'd sure as heck want to know the nature of Steve's health because his name is intertwined with the Apple brand. Steve being sick is the same as Apple being sick. As an investor, people have a right to know. Steve gave up his privacy when he became CEO and brain of Apple. Get it?

I absolutely disagree. I have a lot of money invested in AAPL stock, and have a tremendous amount at stake. I've lost a LOT of money on AAPL stock amid speculation over Steve's health. I have a lot to lose and absolutely want to know the state of Steve's condition. That being said, it is NOT my right to know about Steve's personal health unless he decides to share that information publicly or with me personally. He did not give up the right to privacy by becoming the CEO of Apple.

Investors have the right to certain financial information, but the personal health of any employee of the company is not -- and should not be -- the public's right to know, unless that employee decides to share that information.

Investors are taking a gamble by investing in Apple, but if the health of Steve Jobs worries them and they aren't willing to take the risk, they have the right to not invest in Apple ot sell their existing stock.
 
I'm sure this won't stop the same people from spreading the exact same false rumor about his cancer coming back in the future. They did it back in 2006, too. And infuriatingly, a significant number of rubes will swallow it the next time it happens, too.
 
I'm surprised he gave into his desire to verbally retaliate this reporter, doing so is just rewarding the one he hoped to get back at, he could have just as easily given a similar such statement to another reporter.
 
Before and After pics

I just saw the pictures of Steve Jobs before the cancer surgery and then a couple of weeks ago. There is a striking difference. For the "after" picture, that must one hell of a "bug."
 
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Let's see what he says. :eek:
 
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