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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks

There's also no USB port on the right for a mouse. In the back it would be a better compromise for everybody.
 
cube said:
There's also no USB port on the right for a mouse. In the back it would be a better compromise for everybody.
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Seems like you just like to whine...

How short is the cable of your mouse? 5 cm? Its actually better that the port is on the left side because the connector and the cable going out of it doesn't stick in your hand when you move the mouse.
 
eXan said:
Seems like you just like to whine...

How short is the cable of your mouse? 5 cm? Its actually better that the port is on the left side because the connector and the cable going out of it doesn't stick in your hand when you move the mouse.
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You assume too much that the mouse cable can reach the left side when routed along the back.
 
Kilamite said:
Apple is trying to push everyone onto wireless devices though.
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That's why they decided to cripple the BT stack on the iPhone :D

edit: Not to mention decided to remove the feature of SMS'ing directly from your adress book in leopard. Yup. They may want you to go wireless, but don't think for a moment that will pan out well or give you more freedom if it's apple who's to deliver the "solution".
 
Tosser said:
The cable on apple mice are very short. But are you going to suggest he bring yet another adaptor to make up for yet another Apple design flaw?
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cube said:
See Apple Pro Mouse, for example.
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The cable on Apple USB mice is long enough to work comfortable even when using the left USB port on aa 17" MBP. I don't know what design flaw you are talking about :confused: Making up issues where there aren't any, I guess...
 
editguy said:
Totally false. There are millions of DV firewire out there. There are thousands in my school district alone.
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I'm referring to cameras that aqre being sold at this very moment. And like it or not, in those cameras, FW is quickly disappearing.
 
cube said:
Yes, it's a useless machine. Not a "Digital Hub".
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Anyone who claims that MB is "totall useless" because it has no FW is.... well, dumb. There are LOADS of things that you can do with the computer, none of which require FW.
 
editguy said:
The same way I do on my PC laptop. You don't get out much, do you?
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Like I said, that's because those PC's have different kind of hinges. Those hinges make the whole machine thicker and they make it look like ass.

I do get out often enough, thankyouverymuch.
 
Evangelion said:
Like I said, that's because those PC's have different kind of hinges. Those hinges make the whole machine thicker and they make it look like ass.
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That's the whole problem with a big part of the Apple customer base. They think looks are more important than USABILITY, and that's how Apple manages to sell so many bad designs.
 
Evangelion said:
Like I said, that's because those PC's have different kind of hinges. Those hinges make the whole machine thicker and they make it look like ass.

I do get out often enough, thankyouverymuch.
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Take a close look at the Tibook. That one was an inch thick. Yes, the hinges sucked, but that was more of an Apple-design problem with that sort of hinges, than a general problem with such hinge types.

Oh, and completely agree with Cube: Too many Apple-fanboys will buy anything as long as it looks "good" to begin with. Posing among peers seems to be all some people care about.
 
Scottsdale said:
I am glad they didn't take up and waste that space with a technology that is the past as the USB2 interface is so much more popular.
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By that "popular" logic, Apple should ship Macs with Windows rather than Mac OS X.

trule said:
A few people, perhaps 10% of the MB Firewire users, get left behind. Thats you. Eventually that 10% will get over it, the same thing happened when Apple ditched the serial and parallel ports...people eventually get over it.
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When Apple ditched those, there were better alternatives. For us FireWire users, what better alternatives are there?

trule said:
In the mean time, something like this might help you:

http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-300008044.html
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Even if that did work for Mac, you would still have the USB speed bottleneck and USB's inconsistencies—most FireWire devices could not function that way.

-hh said:
Plan B: Go visit an Apple Store in person. Get a salesperson to help you shop...and then express dissatisfaction at the 'improved' model.
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I have. In 3 stores already, more to come.
 
Evangelion said:
Anyone who claims that MB is "totall useless" because it has no FW is.... well, dumb. There are LOADS of things that you can do with the computer, none of which require FW.
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But there are loads of things that I do with my MB that DO require FW.

Get it?
 
bilbo--baggins said:
What is the 'infamous' Agere firewire chip? Why won't it do for pro music? I sent an email to Apogee and that replied saying there was no reason not to expect my Duet to work with the firewire 800 port on the MBP. Unfortunately as a 2nd Mac I cannot afford the MBP, and I'd prefer the smaller size of the MB.
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It have been a lot of trouble for people with high end audio card trying to get a low latency to run smooth with them. You can be happy since the Apogee Duet is one of very few that don't have huge problems with Agere. At least apogee tells us that. But check out what RME, MOTU, Focusrite etc have to say about the Agere chip. It's a pro modell, no need for apple to take any chances but they did. And now the pro audio will be careful with the new macs. But I do realy hope that Apple have a new version of Agere in the new machines. In a month or two we will know...
 
Evangelion said:
I'm referring to cameras that aqre being sold at this very moment. And like it or not, in those cameras, FW is quickly disappearing.
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FYI. Cams recording on flash and using USB for transfer are toys only good for home made adult entertainment. There are couple usable ones which also have USB but it doesn't work with Mac's (media doesn't mount or USB is only for config or stills). All the prosumer cams (flash or tape) are with FW. If you go to pro cams or high end the new digital cinema cams (or more like their mags) connect with FW only. Naturally there is also SDI but many flash media decks are using also FW (and no, no USB). Trust me there won't be a single pro deck with USB not even USB3.
 
Shagrat said:
But there are loads of things that I do with my MB that DO require FW.

Get it?
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No.

The loads of things NOW that DON'T require FW far far outweights those things that DO require FW.

You guys keep on bitchin all you want. It is out for good and won't be coming back.
 
Compile 'em all said:
The loads of things NOW that DON'T require FW far far outweights those things that DO require FW.

You guys keep on bitchin all you want. It is out for good and won't be coming back.
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USB:

- Digital Camera
- HDD Video Cameras
- External Hard Drives (slow..)
- Keyboard/Mouse
- Webcam
- Printers
- Scanners

FireWire:
- Digital Cameras
- MiniDV and a lot of consumer video cameras
- External Hard Drives (very fast..)
- Target Disk Mode
- Audio Interfaces (prosumer and consumer level)
- Video Interfaces (prosumer and consumer level)

Off the top of my head. I haven't included every possible device obviously. But saying that the things that are USB far outweighs the things that need FireWire is an ignorant claim.

Remember, Apple ships GarageBand, iDVD and iMovie with all Macs. These are pretty much useless for anyone planning to take these applications seriously.
 
Kilamite said:
USB:

- Digital Camera
- HDD Video Cameras
- External Hard Drives (slow..)
- Keyboard/Mouse
- Webcam
- Printers
- Scanners

FireWire:
- Digital Cameras
- MiniDV and a lot of consumer video cameras
- External Hard Drives (very fast..)
- Target Disk Mode
- Audio Interfaces (prosumer and consumer level)
- Video Interfaces (prosumer and consumer level)

Off the top of my head. I haven't included every possible device obviously. But saying that the things that are USB far outweighs the things that need FireWire is an ignorant claim.

Remember, Apple ships GarageBand, iDVD and iMovie with all Macs. These are pretty much useless for anyone planning to take these applications seriously.
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FireWire:

- Access to TV tuners with hardware compression (none for USB)
- Access to upto 800GB (native) tape drives or even tape autoloaders via FireWire/(old version)SCSI adapter (but only at 20 MB/s).
 
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