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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks

cube said:
How does providing no additional access to any devices outweigh removing compatiblity with millions of devices?
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removing the port was done for a reason. Do you think their design and R&D team just decided to do it just for fun? just cause they felt like it? It boggles my mind that people think Apple have no idea what they are doing. I am not saying that I am happy with it but if you took a look at the tear-down photos of the macbook and the motherboard you will know why. If you have ever stopped for a moment to think why the iPhone/iPod doesn't support FW anymore, you will know why. If FW was that amazing and was taking over the industry it would have stayed.

Apple switched to intel CPUs for a reason, and now they are removing FW for another.
 
Compile 'em all said:
removing the port was done for a reason. Do you think their design and R&D team just decided to do it just for fun? just cause they felt like it? It boggles my mind that people think Apple have no idea what they are doing. I am not saying that I am happy with it but if you took a look at the tear-down photos of the macbook and the motherboard you will know why. If you have ever stopped for a moment to think why the iPhone/iPod doesn't support FW anymore, you will know why. If FW was that amazing and was taking over the industry it would have stayed.

Apple switched to intel CPUs for a reason, and now they are removing FW for another.
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It's called "saving a dollar" and "catering to the lowest common denominator". No more, no less. They have become "The iPod Company". Willingly even.
 
Compile 'em all said:
removing the port was done for a reason. Do you think their design and R&D team just decided to do it just for fun? just cause they felt like it? It boggles my mind that people think Apple have no idea what they are doing. I am not saying that I am happy with it but if you took a look at the tear-down photos of the macbook and the motherboard you will know why. If you have ever stopped for a moment to think why the iPhone/iPod doesn't support FW anymore, you will know why. If FW was that amazing and was taking over the industry it would have stayed.

Apple switched to intel CPUs for a reason, and now they are removing FW for another.
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FireWire is the preferred standard in the pro audio world. If you don't "get" that you obviously have no experience in pro audio and you're talking outside your area of expertise.
 
No test market = PPPP

If you don't test market consumer goods, they'll always end up garbage - leaving the management to slip and slide with consolation excuses. Steve has just been lucky to get away with the no-test mode for a few years, with hits like the MBP 2 years ago.

Steve is hell bent to keep everyone in the fever pitch surprise mode for all releases of all products, and crosses his fingers that he hit it. It didn't work in this new release with the CHICKLET keyboards, glossy-only, lack of ports, heavy etc. etc.

Like a previous poster said - this one and the G3 iPhone are a bust. This is exactly why they're on the shelves at dealers and not backordered. It's a flop and no-one is buying it
 
localoid said:
FireWire is the preferred standard in the pro audio world. If you don't "get" that you obviously have no experience in pro audio and you're talking outside your area of expertise.
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pro audio should use pro gear. that is what the pro line is for.
 
cube said:
The only pro things in the MBP are the name and the price.
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Exactly. There's nothing "pro" about that computer at all. Well, except for the expresscard port, perhaps. But that is on many consumer laptops too, so it doesn't count.
 
Compile 'em all said:
pro audio should use pro gear. that is what the pro line is for.
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Geesh!

You apparently missed my post, at the bottom of the previous page...

The new MacBook Pros may very well have a really big problem for anyone in the pro audio world:

There's a posting in the Cubase.net forum that appears to confirm the FireWire chipset in the new MacBook Pros are the problematic Lucent (Agere) firewire chip.

"... stopped by the Apple Store today to look at the new MBP. I booted up the machine in verbose mode (command+v) and saw what I feared was true: the new MBP uses the Lucent (Agere) firewire chip. "

In other words, the MacBook Pros may not be a workable option for Firewire audio... What "pro" is going to take a chance on buying a MBP when there's a very good chance it will not work with his/her "pro" Firewire audio devices? Frankly, I think Apple has "lost it"...
 
I think the problem is that with recent update MacBook comes close in it's features to MacBook Pro. With new graphics system MacBook can be well used by graphics and video professional. Apple wants to charge premium from those. It's a terrible business policy, which now distance me from Apple and makes me think, what will be next? May be MacBook doesn't need external monitor connecor - they now have very nice LED screen, than external monitor is not required.
 
Tosser said:
Exactly. There's nothing "pro" about that computer at all. Well, except for the expresscard port, perhaps. But that is on many consumer laptops too, so it doesn't count.
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Exactly.

Here are some ideas for Apple to make a real PRO laptop:

- 10 GbE
- SDI
- Fibre Channel
- SAS
- Infiniband
 
Compile 'em all said:
pro audio should use pro gear. that is what the pro line is for.
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You just don't get it. It's the form factor. We want, and need, the smallest and lightest notebook. Apple doesn't provide that in their "Pro" line. And the MB has everything we need, except that they made the totally asinine decision to remove it. All so Jobs can say that his notebook is thin. What's this ridiculous obsession with thin?

The only positive thing about this ignorant decision is that I can come to MacRumors and read about something besides the iPhone. :p
 
Lock51 said:
I think the problem is that with recent update MacBook comes close in it's features to MacBook Pro. With new graphics system MacBook can be well used by graphics and video professional. Apple wants to charge premium from those. It's a terrible business policy, which now distance me from Apple and makes me think, what will be next? May be MacBook doesn't need external monitor connecor - they now have very nice LED screen, than external monitor is not required.
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We've already been there with the iBook vs. the 12" PowerBook. You could hack it to do screen spanning, though. But out of the box, this wasn't possible.
 
Evangelion said:
Like I said, that's because those PC's have different kind of hinges. Those hinges make the whole machine thicker and they make it look like ass.

I do get out often enough, thankyouverymuch.
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My PC notebook is 1 5/16" at the back. It has two USB ports on the back, two on the right side and one on the left. On the back it has S-vid out, VGA out DVI out and HDMI. On the left side it has a 16x DVD+- burner, a 7 card reader, FIREWIRE, and an express card slot. It's not aluminum or 1mm thick, but it is very attractive and FUNCTIONAL. That's what I want and need from a laptop. Functionality. Try saying it. It's the first thing a professional looks for. Heck, it's the first thing a knowledgeable consumer looks for.
 
MacFly123 said:
People it is all really simple, what Steve said is basically true, but it all comes down to this...... They had to do something to get people buying the MacBook Pro over the MacBook. End of story! Does it suck? For some yes, but that is business for you.
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I wouldn't spend an extra grand just for a dinky firewire port anyways ..
 
editguy said:
All so Jobs can say that his notebook is thin. What's this ridiculous obsession with thin?
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I have no idea. It pisses me off. I'm find with some of Apple's notebooks being thin—some like it. However, I feel that Apple should also produce an obese version for those of us who want and need an ass load of ports and other beefy specs.

editguy said:
The only positive thing about this ignorant decision is that I can come to MacRumors and read about something besides the iPhone. :p
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Agreed! I am so damn sick of the iPhone.
 
Adjei said:
What a proper clown, they are busts but have been selling millions of units, Apple is smarter than clowns like you posting in a forum.
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The game has changed. Now the MacBook has no Firewire and the MacBook Pro's Firewire chipset is questionable (see post #1011).

So in the coming months, the Yuppies who use their Apple laptops primarily as a "babe magnet" at Starbucks might continue to purchase them. But a good many folks who rely on FireWire connectivity may not. Can Apple really afford to alienate or lose their creative community?
 
localoid said:
The game's changed now. Now the MacBook has no Firewire and the MacBook Pro's Firewire chipset is questionable.

So in the coming months, the Yuppies who use their Apple laptops primarily as a "babe magnetic" at Starbucks might continue to purchase them. But a good many folks who rely on FireWire connectivity may not. Can Apple really afford to alienate or lose their creative community?
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For as long as possible, Apple will try to piggy back on pros, letting the cafe latte sipping glassbook "pro" buyers pretend they got themselves an "awesome" computer. However, unless Apple pull themselves together, the monicker will disappear as an association to a "pro" (="capable") computer, as it should do. It has always been close to not being a pro computer (ports wise), but this pushed it over the top to the consumer-only side of things. I guess my rule of thumb, that anything with the name "pro" or "professional" on it, really isn't, just got emphasized and bolded.
 
Tosser said:
I guess my rule of thumb, that anything with the name "pro" or "professional" on it, really isn't, just got emphasized and bolded.
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Mac Pro is really pro as it is overengineered for most people (including many pros) with Xeon CPU, chipset, and FB-DIMMs.
 
cube said:
Mac Pro is really pro it is overengineered for most people with Xeon CPU, chipset, and FB-DIMMs.
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It's a rule of thumb, not a universal fact.
My old MDP500 (it's a recorder) was pro back when and it had "professional" written on it, so no rule (of thumb) without exceptions.
 
cube said:
Exactly.

Here are some ideas for Apple to make a real PRO laptop:

- 10 GbE
- SDI
- Fibre Channel
- SAS
- Infiniband
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This is what's really puzzling about the new lineup. They really didn't stretch the MacBook Pro in terms of functionality that professionals may find useful. And then they remove Firewire from the MacBook to differentiate the two product lines.

I don't know what the heck Apple is thinking, but they must believe that they get by on looks alone and a "cool" brand among the 16-30 year old demographic.
 
Compile 'em all said:
... and now they are removing FW for another.
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But they aren't. In the MBP.

So if Apple are removing FW as a failed/irrelevant format, why is it in the MBP? And I'll bet in the next (overdue) MacPro.*


Sorry, your argument doesn't add up.

* if it IS removed from MacPros, then I'll eat my hat.
 
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