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But you didn't "tal" about that in the post you made, which I quoted.

I said:

"Google didn't develop Android, they bought it and it had none of the features of iOS in the state Google purchased it in."

To which you replied:

"Ah, that you have inside knowledge. Who has said that to you? Jobs, Ive, Schmidt, Rubin?

Ah, no you're only talking nonsense"

You didn't once tell me you were taling about insider knowledge.


Oooh, and now using the orthographic weapons?

But, can you explain who gave you that insed knowledge about the state of Android development?
 
yap, because 3 years after the iPhone was released Google would need an insider to get information about the iPhone and their GUI or implementation.

Yap, I still find amusing how people is so naive

Schmidt was on the Apple board during the time the iPhone was being developed (2006 if I remember, was when he came on board?).

iPhone launches 2007, Android is nowhere.

Schmidt quits Apple board in mid 2009, so he had ample time to filter ideas back to have implemented into Android, which had none of the features of iOS when Google bought it.
 
I'm pretty sure that every CEO is an ******. You don't get to the top of the business world by being nice.

Agreed. And this is the case in MOST professions. Think about professional athletes, musicians, lawyers, etc. I assure you all of these people aren't 'nice'. Rather that's right or wrong is up to each of us to decide. You ALWAYS have the option to not buy their products (biographies included), or watch their games, etc. etc. Those of us who frequent this forum tend to side with the man who made this forum relevant.

I would expect nothing less from you LTD. Your post sickens me.

At the end of the day, this doesn't matter. We are all different and have different opinions and this is what LTD is saying. People can be nice and they can be jerks but you do step on some toes to change the world. It's up to us to choose which nice people and which jerks to support.

Whether we like it or not this man changed our lives. I, for one, am thankful that he ever existed. I also know that I cannot judge a man for the people that he disrespected because I'm not perfect and I don't know what I'd do to complete something I was THIS passionate about.
 
LOL - you missed the point. You had already talked down to the forum with your initial post. I replied to your condescension and then you told me to not talk down to people.

End of discussion between you and I is right...

I must commend you on the change of topic by the way. You accuse me of saying "everyone" here didn't know Schmidt was on the Apple board, and when I correct you, you move onto hypocrisy. :rolleyes:

This thread is about book sales, so lets let it get back on there.
 
As the above examples show, Apple is great at refining a product or concept into something people want, but they didn't invent everything like some people seem to think.

It's interesting to note, though, how good they are at outright embarrassing their competitors and existing players when they do, to use your expression, "refine" a product. I've never seen any other tech company so quickly and thoroughly relegate other players to oblivion, to the extent that it affects other aspects of their business, and more often than not has them questioning their entire business.
 
I was surprised wh-smiths had them in stock today at £12.50. Couldn't resist getting one.

read the first few chapters, then couldn't resist going straight for the Jony Ive and design related chapters. As a product designer hearing about their relationship and method of working is just great. I would have loved to have seen some napkin sketches in the book from their conversations.

I wish I'd known they were doing it for that price before I pre-ordered on Amazon last week. Same price, but I'm still waiting on delivery. :eek:
 
Schmidt quits Apple board in mid 2009, so he had ample time to filter ideas back to have implemented into Android, which had none of the features of iOS when Google bought it.

Yes, because Google engineers are so stupid that they can't use a simple iPhone to have knowledge about how they work, they need an executive.

And you know that the first Android device was released in 2.008, don't you?

And for the third time, who told you that insede knowledge about Android development?
 
Schmidt was on the Apple board during the time the iPhone was being developed (2006 if I remember, was when he came on board?).

iPhone launches 2007, Android is nowhere.

Schmidt quits Apple board in mid 2009, so he had ample time to filter ideas back to have implemented into Android, which had none of the features of iOS when Google bought it.

Minus the fact that Google bought Android in 2005 and it was public knowledge that they were developing a mobile Os for cellphones. Apple would of know this when they invited him to join the board.
Remember Apple invited Schmidt not the other way around. But do not let those facts get in your way.
 
Minus the fact that Google bought Android in 2005 and it was public knowledge that they were developing a mobile Os for cellphones. Apple would of know this when they invited him to join the board.
Remember Apple invited Schmidt not the other way around. But do not let those facts get in your way.

Facts always seem to get in the way here when they aren't pro Apple.
 
Yes, because Google engineers are so stupid that they can't use a simple iPhone to have knowledge about how they work, they need an executive.

And you know that the first Android device was released in 2.008, don't you?

And for the third time, who told you that insede knowledge about Android development?

December 2007:

http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild

This is after the iPhone in unveiled earlier that same year.

Funny how it resembled RIM, which was a market leader at that time too.
 
No Page Numbers?

Why no page numbers on the Kindle version of the book? Just percentage read. It's a new title, and an expensive one at that. I'd get the iBook version, but I find the page-turn animation slows down the reading experience.
 
Minus the fact that Google bought Android in 2005 and it was public knowledge that they were developing a mobile Os for cellphones. Apple would of know this when they invited him to join the board.
Remember Apple invited Schmidt not the other way around. But do not let those facts get in your way.

As much as I'd like to debate with you, and as childish as this sounds, I ********* loathe that fictional character in your avatar.

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Facts always seem to get in the way here when they aren't pro Apple.

God damn me for posting on an Apple board.
 
December 2007:

http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild

This is after the iPhone in unveiled earlier that same year.

Funny how it resembled RIM, which was a market leader at that time too.

meaningless. phones and software go through countless iterations before being released and the only unfortunate thing here is that there are pictures of this iteration. Imagine if there were images around of earlier versions of IOS and the iPhone before it was actually released. The horror!
 
As much as I'd like to debate with you, and as childish as this sounds, I ********* loathe that fictional character in your avatar.

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God damn me for posting on an Apple board.

Nothing wrong with posting on an Apple forum, just check out the facts and you will see that some of what you are posting isn't correct.
 
meaningless. phones and software go through countless iterations before being released and the only unfortunate thing here is that there are pictures of this iteration. Imagine if there were images around of earlier versions of IOS and the iPhone before it was actually released. The horror!

Ah, meaningless. Why? Because it doesn't suit your side of the argument, that's why. You're as guilty of what you accuse me of, i.e. only seeing one side of the story.

That story/photo is from December 2007, and Android looked nothing like iOS back then. I say again, the development route Android took was heavily influenced, if not directly influenced, by iOS and the iPhone.
 
All that article from an unnamed author does is reference a snippet of Motley Fool commentary claiming that Xerox received indirect compensation for unfettered access to Xerox's PARC research initiatives despite the protestations of those directly involved in such research. It does not make the claim that any of the ideas were Apple's or that Apple paid any money for use of Xerox research or that the indirect compensation was equivalent to fair value for the technology transfer.
 
December 2007:

http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild

This is after the iPhone in unveiled earlier that same year.

Funny how it resembled RIM, which was a market leader at that time too.

Ah, this is all of your knowledge.

Well, you could said before, I would't wasted time with those "this is what Android was before" crap.

Frack, I really thought that you had some inside knowledge to share and not a Gizmodo picture.

Android was built hardware agnostic. Do you like BB style? You have. Do you like touch only? You have.

Ups, from the same date:

http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-6454_7-6596827-2.html?s=0&o=6596827
 
Ah, this is all of your knowledge.

Well, you could said before, I would't wasted time with those "this is what Android was before" crap.

Frack, I really thought that you had some inside knowledge to share and not a Gizmodo picture.

Android was built hardware agnostic. Do you like BB style? You have. Do you like touch only? You have.

Ups, from the same date:

http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-6454_7-6596827-2.html?s=0&o=6596827

So, you lambast me for only having a link to Gizmodo, then hit me with a link to CNET, with a different kind of interface, but STILL dated AFTER the unveiling of the iPhone!?! Your CNET story is dated November 2007.
 
Ah, meaningless. Why? Because it doesn't suit your side of the argument, that's why. You're as guilty of what you accuse me of, i.e. only seeing one side of the story.

That story/photo is from December 2007, and Android looked nothing like iOS back then. I say again, the development route Android took was heavily influenced, if not directly influenced, by iOS and the iPhone.

I only accused you of being a hypocrite. But let's not get on that bandwagon again.

I see all sides of the story. Unlike you, though, I don't rush to judgement without having actual facts. Facts. You do know the difference between opinion, circumstantial evidence and FACTS, right? Hope so...
 
Agreed. And this is the case in MOST professions. Think about professional athletes, musicians, lawyers, etc. I assure you all of these people aren't 'nice'. At the end of the day, this doesn't matter. We are all different and have different opinions and this is what LTD is saying. People can be nice and they can be jerks but you do step on some toes to change the world. It's up to us to choose which nice people and which jerks to support.
Yeah, you make a great case for supporting LTD. He's a professional nobody who's a jerk anyway. What's not to like?
 
just FYI...

Yes, because Google engineers are so stupid that they can't use a simple iPhone to have knowledge about how they work, they need an executive.

And you know that the first Android device was released in 2.008, don't you?

And for the third time, who told you that insede knowledge about Android development?


See below:

In particular, they share Steve Jobs' reaction to HTC's 2010 introduction of an Android phone that shared many features of the iPhone. Jobs told Isaacson that Google's actions amounted to "grand theft." Jobs met with Google's Eric Schmidt later and told Schmidt he wasn't interested in settling for any amount of money. Instead Jobs told Schmidt, "I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."

Jobs' attitude against Android helps explains the lawsuits that have come from Apple against both HTC and Samsung. Both legal actions have resulted in countersuits as well as attempts to ban sales of devices around the world.

Article Link: From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"
 
I only accused you of being a hypocrite. But let's not get on that bandwagon again.

I see all sides of the story. Unlike you, though, I don't rush to judgement without having actual facts. Facts. You do know the difference between opinion, circumstantial evidence and FACTS, right? Hope so...

Fair dues, however in this instance you have as many FACTS as I do.

Neither have concrete facts, we only have opinions based on circumstances.
 
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