FYI: All of those "HTML5 is the standard". Wrong. HTML5 is a proposed standard that has missed many dates with the W3C for standardization. Last I saw it was proposed to be in Draft stage in 2012.
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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
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Yes it's and a dam good one!
I have worked with Adobe and Macromedia products since the early days and they have become sluggish and buggy over the years. New web standards are so much better from a production point of view. Besides encoding video and putting it in flash is retarded when you can just add it with a tag not to mention letting the OS handle the brunt work to play is much better than having a middle application doing it. Adobe needs to make a better light weight flash for 3d vector animation with low power demand thats coded well, after all it was originally a vector tool anyway. Stick to simplicity and they will be successful continue with bloat ware and they will be doomed. Adobe CEO and people making decisions over there need to be fired. Glad I dumped my stock after I used CS3 it was expensive garbage!!
A well made point. Fair to say that Apple's obsessive focus on excellence, and taking responsibility for it, mandates that they went down this path.
I have no fondness for programming. Thankfully I have several alternative incomes before iPhone developer but I suspect I might get shoehorned into being one.
Sounds like a load of bull to me. He should build a feature like Flashblock into mobile Safari and let users make the choice of whether to run Flash. If it's so terrible, they won't--but they'll have the option if they want.
The whole thing smacks of his bias against Blu-Ray. He should give users the option to have Blu-Ray drives in their Macs instead of deciding it's a dead end technology and that digital downloads are how people should watch HD on their Macs.
The whole thing smacks of his bias against Blu-Ray. He should give users the option to have Blu-Ray drives in their Macs instead of deciding it's a dead end technology and that digital downloads are how people should watch HD on their Macs.
1. I don't care and you can't make me or the other 200 million people that think Open software is the first thing you do after you buy it.
2. You are right, and since when does Apple decide that rollover application behavior on the web needs to go away. Sad that the world is bending to their will.
3. Using the logic that stability as a valid argument for not supporting Flash would ultimately mean that when I started my macbook all I would see would be a screenshot of a desktop, because if it actually worked it might crash.
4. Yeah, you are right, big deal. I haven't stopped checking my credit score on equifax because it uses flash and might crash.
5. They aren't adopting anything, they are blocking, a big difference.
6. If companies want you to use their sites, then their stuff works, plain and simple. Comparing some crappy OS issues with individual flash sites does not follow. You can't simply stop using your phone, but you can simply stop using a flash site that crashes.
That's the word all right: Mandates.
I can't see any other choice for Apple here. They're doing the only thing they can do.
Other phones may find flash works well for their business model and that'll be great for people who want it. But it can't work for Apple. I just don't see any way around that.
Does this quote remind anyone else of what people said about Apple's first GUI? No one thought a graphical user interface was professional, to use modern software and be productive you had to use a command line!
..but wait... you have options! There is only one iphone and one ipad type of devices. Outside of this camp, there is a multitude of options...
Why is it difficult to see that there are choices and options, and what apple offers is one such option/choice among many?
you have options/choices. Exercise them, and as some say, vote with your money. BUT, when others vote with their money for the idevices, then you should not claim that you have no options/choices.
Yes, I know, this type of thoughts require some common sense.
"Flash was created during the PC era"
In Steve Jobs' open letter regarding flash on Apple's mobile devices, he states "Flash was created during the PC era for PCs and mice".
I get the feeling from that statement that Mr. Jobs believes the personal computer is antiquated. If this is his thinking, then how can there not be a lack of focus on future Mac & OS X development.
Hopefully that is not the case.
In Steve Jobs' open letter regarding flash on Apple's mobile devices, he states "Flash was created during the PC era for PCs and mice".
I get the feeling from that statement that Mr. Jobs believes the personal computer is antiquated. If this is his thinking, then how can there not be a lack of focus on future Mac & OS X development.
Hopefully that is not the case.
Good thoughts.
Would've been better if it ended with "Now release the Hulu app you idiots...you're making me look bad".
Would've been better if it ended with "Now release the Hulu app you idiots...you're making me look bad".
Content is content - as a consumer, I want to be able to decide what content I access. Blocking access to content just because the technology does not meet their standards of excellence infringes on my right of choice, which is why I still say Apple is totally wrong here.
Let people choose what they want. Apple does not have to support Flash, but they shouldn't block Flash from being installed by those that want to use it. If I kill the battery life, that's MY choice, not Apple's to make.
The iPad is still an iBrick to me as its not fully Web compatible. No Flash will ultimately keep some people away from their products... Windows 7, Android, etc are out there and all of them support/will support Flash.
Let people choose what they want. Apple does not have to support Flash, but they shouldn't block Flash from being installed by those that want to use it. If I kill the battery life, that's MY choice, not Apple's to make.
The iPad is still an iBrick to me as its not fully Web compatible. No Flash will ultimately keep some people away from their products... Windows 7, Android, etc are out there and all of them support/will support Flash.
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I'm smarter than you, so I decide that you don't need / want Flash. Also, me calling HTML5 "standard" makes it so. Proposed standard <> standard. Thanks, Steve.
FYI, CS5 supports HTML5. Adobe is also one of the contributors of HTML5. However, Flash has 96-98% penetration so why should Adobe drop it?
You knew it when you bought it.....
The flaw in your argument is that when you bought your MacPro (and when I bought mine) the specs clearly indicated what you could expect to run/not run.
When I bought my iPhone and iPad, I knew that Flash was not supported and I still made the decision to buy these products. They meet my needs and I am happy with my purchases. Steve did not come in "after the fact" and suddenly unsupport Flash on these devices. Your argument FAILs.
The flaw in your argument is that when you bought your MacPro (and when I bought mine) the specs clearly indicated what you could expect to run/not run.
When I bought my iPhone and iPad, I knew that Flash was not supported and I still made the decision to buy these products. They meet my needs and I am happy with my purchases. Steve did not come in "after the fact" and suddenly unsupport Flash on these devices. Your argument FAILs.
limitations of touch is the real problem
Apple wants us all to believe that Touch is the greatest thing ever. Read Jobs #5 argument.
Problem is that Flash is the #1 problem Apple faces in perpetuating this myth of Touch supremacy.
Flash sites that use rich mouse behavior are useless with Touch. This is only an embarrassment for Apple. Since Apple can't figure out how to control the issue, it simply blocks Flash as their solution.
How about this, give us a cursor if you plug in a mouse. If you have a mouse plugged in, Flash Works!!
Too easy of a solution, so its about power plain and simple. Apple wants to dictate and control.
Apple wants us all to believe that Touch is the greatest thing ever. Read Jobs #5 argument.
Problem is that Flash is the #1 problem Apple faces in perpetuating this myth of Touch supremacy.
Flash sites that use rich mouse behavior are useless with Touch. This is only an embarrassment for Apple. Since Apple can't figure out how to control the issue, it simply blocks Flash as their solution.
How about this, give us a cursor if you plug in a mouse. If you have a mouse plugged in, Flash Works!!
Too easy of a solution, so its about power plain and simple. Apple wants to dictate and control.
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If you are a coder and you know that coding for a particular device will not be permitted on that device, you don't code for it. Flash does run on netbooks, which are mobile devices, and has run on them for years. Go take a look at them and see it running there. I know, I know, THEY can't count because Apple called them "junk". But there's an awful lot of them serving up a mobile Internet experience that includes Flash.
If Apple would make the option available, Adobe would be very enthusiastic about coding a iDevice-optimized Flash player. Frankly, I wish Apple would extend the invitation, as Adobe would then have to put up (a great version of optimized Flash to prove Apple- and Apple fans- wrong about Flash), which would probably be a win for all Flash-enable computing devices.
Other angles
Getting flash as part of the OS would require either a) development of iPhone OS releases in conjunction with Adobe b) Apple allowing an app-store program to modify other programs (Safari add-in) or c) Apple developing flash support in-house so they could control the releases. Option (c) I believe would be the most likely, but why would Apple want to spend the resources to do it and would Adobe want or have to give up their source code to make it happen?
Also, MacRumors usually posts videos requiring flash, which I always find odd. Wouldn't this of all sites want to support iPhones and iPads?
Getting flash as part of the OS would require either a) development of iPhone OS releases in conjunction with Adobe b) Apple allowing an app-store program to modify other programs (Safari add-in) or c) Apple developing flash support in-house so they could control the releases. Option (c) I believe would be the most likely, but why would Apple want to spend the resources to do it and would Adobe want or have to give up their source code to make it happen?
Also, MacRumors usually posts videos requiring flash, which I always find odd. Wouldn't this of all sites want to support iPhones and iPads?
That a silly comment these are touch devises that are primely mobile. You would sit down and plugin a mouse every time you hit a site with flash.
And it's working. Like a charm.
What are consumers missing, really? Not much. Apple devices are too attractive and enjoyable to use to get overly-worried about an internet video spec. Flash is NOT a factor in sales - not enough to be of any consequence.
If you're talking surfing porn on your mobile device, then yes, you're potential orgasm will be incomplete or severely impacted. It might be a rather floppy situation.
Otherwise, it all depends on the sites you visit. Many of the major sites have moved or are moving to HTML5, YouTube among them. Everyone is getting in line (perhaps apart from BangBros., YouJ*zz, and M*lfslist, etc.) to make their content iPad friendly. The web-browsing experience for all is about to get pretty damn complete. So why be without Apple-device goodness when everyone's moving in Apple's direction?
You're either on the Apple train or you're doing it wrong. This is 2010. Developers move in whatever direction the big dollar-signs are. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, it's all in Apple's direction.
Apple is not embarrassed. Quite the contrary. They're dictating the rules of the game and the industry is ready to say "how high?" when SJ says "jump." It's what happens when you're in a leadership position.
touch sucks.don't get me wrong but for me touch is a baby-toy to play with.i tried iphones ipod touches.yeah,its funny,but thats all.the only thing i care about are imac and os x 10.7.btw,are they planning to release 10.7 or it's all about TOUCH and MOBILE ? coz if so,i will abbandon apple.i dun need toys.i need a solid system.can't wait 1 hour more to put my hands on ubuntu 10.4 :/ never thought i'll say that.