kresh
macrumors 6502a
Oh yes some do. Go read some of the recent Flash threads here and count how many posters blame Apple for Flash's poor performance. It is unbelievable!
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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
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Oh yes some do. Go read some of the recent Flash threads here and count how many posters blame Apple for Flash's poor performance. It is unbelievable!
I was wondering why my Reality Distortion Field alarm went off early this morning. 😀
But seriously, Jobs is about a little over half right. A lot of his criticisms of Flash are valid.
What's missing though is the point why people in general don't miss FLASH on a phone or an iPod. It's just not that noticeable and the devices already exceed the initial expectation level for such a device for internet accessibility.
However, with the onslaught of ANDROID, that assumption could change if Adobe ever gets its act together.
Where Jobs is dead wrong is with the iPad because the expectation level of a device that expensive and that size is that it act like a REAL COMPUTER, i.e., the REAL FULL INTERNET EXPERIENCE, which the iPad does not do since, what, a quarter to half of all websites use Flash, and particularly news and information websites like local news.
It's also clear from this statement that Jobs is stubborn, inflexible, and unwilling to work with Adobe for whatever reason that is not stated here. Jobs' statement about Cocoa and Adobe sort of shows his pettiness since Apple has multiple times backed off or delayed its own Cocoa development and pushed Carbon. You could make the argument that a lot of Snow Leopard's new "Cocoa features" were actually failed Apple PowerPC 64 bit promises that never happened! It's very disingenuous of Steve Jobs to point out Adobe when Apple has been just as lazy on Mac OS X development, instead deferring many company resources to the iPhone, iPad, and iPod at the expense of the Mac platform (Example: h.264 hardware acceleration, years late and many dollars short).
If not for Microsoft's boondoggle with VISTA, it's possible that the Mac platform would be in a very different situation right now.
Of course my comments will set off the usual fanboy suspects with various rants of "DIE FLASH DIE!", but it's clear to me after arguing with those people over Flash for months and months that those people don't live in the real world.
Very few websites are HTML 5 designed and even those that are, are in beta testing.
HTML 5 is still a plan, not a reality.
I go to whatever websites I want to go to, not just the ones that are "Steve Jobs approved".
Who the hell died and made him king?
This is BS
Apple says how much it wants "open web standards" but it dropped support for OGG Theora codec in its browser, which is an open format and Firefox/Opera/Chrome all support it
Apple says how much it wants "open web standards" but it dropped support for OGG Theora codec in its browser, which is an open format and Firefox/Opera/Chrome all support it
I find it odd that there's not an iPhone optimized/mobile version of the site when visiting on the iPhone, too.
Jason Beck
macrumors 68000
Flash fanboys take note, those points really made sense. I am glad that Steve really laid into the topic instead of beating around the bush like usual. Its seems it isn't Apple being unreasonable, it is Adobe being lazy. Flash is a fat, bloated thing that is old and really needs a rewrite to perform solid on OSX. This statement coupled with Apple letting Adobe utilize the video acceleration in some of its Macbooks, is a great example of the ball being thrown to Adobe. Nice work Apple, let's see if Adobe can do something now.
A lot of people depend on Adobe that use the Mac platform. A lot of designers. You would think it would make sense to write a decent port. Its freaking FLASH. Come on Adobe.
A lot of people depend on Adobe that use the Mac platform. A lot of designers. You would think it would make sense to write a decent port. Its freaking FLASH. Come on Adobe.
They did invite them and Adobe returned with a crappy product. Netbooks are much bigger with less demand for long batter life not to mention Not using a mac OS
It has to due with potential licensing issues OGG is not completely open. Look it up
*LTD*
macrumors G4
Someone's about to get left behind.
Touch is here to stay.
Ubuntu?? You're dismissing Touch as a toy, yet you can't wait to get onto a system that is still horribly unfit for the average user despite years of development.
Please think beyond your personal needs and the 3-4 foot radius you occupy.
You own the hardware. Technically speaking, you do not own the software; you license the ability to use it.
notjustjay
macrumors 603
I have an Asus EEE PC 1000HE, running the second generation of Atom processor (N280, an improvement over the N270). It's running the stock install, Windows XP, 1 gig of RAM.
Flash is a pig on this machine. YouTube videos play choppy and causes the machine to heat up. There is noticable lag when doing operations like going full-screen and scrolling a web page with embedded flash elements.
Flash, even on PC, is garbage. It was fine back in the day when it was used for just basic video or basic interactivity. Now it's just gotten out of hand. Not trying to knock down on artists' creativity, but there's too much junk out now that IMO hinders the web browsing experience. The bugs where memory doesn't free up in the browser still linger.
You know it's Apple's API, and not yours right? I highly doubt by not allowing Flash on their mobile devices will hinder a user's experience. If anything, this encourages Flash developers to learn how to develop instead of lazily converting their apps with no optimization.
You know it's Apple's API, and not yours right? I highly doubt by not allowing Flash on their mobile devices will hinder a user's experience. If anything, this encourages Flash developers to learn how to develop instead of lazily converting their apps with no optimization.
Xtremehkr
macrumors 68000
You're an idiot. Touch reigns supreme for mobile devices, which is Job's point. Adobe has not improved flash to work well with devices that do use touch. You know, most phones these days, the iPad, and very likely every new tablet to hit the market in the next few years.
Job's is not asking for touch development for iMac's, he asking for touch development for mobile devices. You know, the millions upon millions of iPhones that have been sold.
Mobile devices are further behind where they should be in software development because companies like Adobe influence large parts of the internet experience and are not working fast enough to develop software more suited to that experience.
jayducharme
macrumors 601
Bag of hurt
I got a kick out of this line:
So what about that "bag of hurt"? If H.264 drives Blu-ray, why hasn't Apple adopted it in Macs?
I got a kick out of this line:
So what about that "bag of hurt"? If H.264 drives Blu-ray, why hasn't Apple adopted it in Macs?
*LTD*
macrumors G4
I'm willing to bet a hundred bucks that Steve Jobs and the folks at Apple know a hell of a lot more about Flash than you think you do.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Like we can jump back a few years ago before the Video ipod and read the pro-Apple stance of Video on iPods doesn't make sense? It's funny how Apple can take any stance and have so many people agree with them- even when an alternative stance doesn't have to affect those people at all. Then, when Apple flips on a stance- like when they rolled out a video iPod- many of those same players flip right with them. I wonder if Apple really did kill Adobe, then bought the remnants, rebranded Flash as Apple Flash and Steve rolled it out as the next big thing, would the same "Die Flash" crowd stick to their Anti-flash stance?
Even if you are making a good bet, 2 years is a long time to do without for those people that might need that bit of optional functionality. Apple could let its iDevice owners have the OPTION now, then let the superiority(?) of HTML5 + h.264 + javascript naturally supplant Flash over that 2(?) year timeframe. By then, we'll all be buying next-gen iDevices anyway, so we can win now (use them as we want to use them per each individual's wants) and migrate with Apple's view toward the future as that future more fully arrives and is more fully realized.
Lestdog
macrumors regular
There you go. I still see a lot of great flash applications being built out there for the desktop/laptop. When built correctly they won't crash and perform quite well. This all or nothing attitude that people have over flash is just weird and mainly driven by some odd allegiances to every word Steve Jobs spouts.
Yes I have to because so many of you are lodged in Steve Jobs' LEFT PANT leg and won't come out ever to see the sun shine! LOL
Saladinos
macrumors 68000
Yup, it's simple. It's also not a solution; it's a workaround.
Oh, and touch is not a gimmick. Different situations require different ways to interact. If I'm casually browsing the web, doing a lot of reading, playing games...etc, then the keyboard + mouse setup is just awkward. Touch is much better for those things.
Similarly, if I need to write a lot of text, I'm going to want a keyboard. It makes sense for that situation, but not the other.
That's technology advancement. Products evolve based on their use patterns and what makes sense for them.
TennisandMusic
Guest
This is advice most blind Apple die hards would be wise to follow themselves. Or maybe Steve Jobs himself.
Wow, i find this whole thing very funny, like a Shakespearean tragedy is funny.
I think Apple may just win with guys like you out there in droves.
Think about this, Touch doesn't support right-mouse clicks. It took a decade for Apple to cave into supporting that feature on their mice.
Maybe in the end this proves they really did hate that feature and only supported it in spite.
Imagine this, In the not-to-distant future, Apple may have killed the all-mighty right mouse button.
Who would have thunk it?????
I am starting to panic, the world is being assimilated, i am standing alone on the island of right-mouse click love.
rhett7660
macrumors G5
And you have the option of not buying it. Plan and simple. You know from the beginning what it does and and what it doesn't do. Use your money as you see fit and if you don't like the model don't buy into it. Plain and simple.
However it seems a there a few news and media sites switching over their content so that the iPad's, iPhone's and Touch's etc can view their video's. We are seeing more and more sites do this.