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The purpose of the iTunes store - be it video, music, apps, podcasts, whathaveyou - seems to be to sell more Apple hardware to consume said media available via iTunes.

So Apple denying direct Blu-ray playback in software and not offering Blu-ray playback hardware would not strike me as a decision meant to "protect" iTunes store content. After all, Apple does not prevent DVD and CD playback, even though they sell and movies, television shows and music via the iTunes store.

If anything, it should help increase sales of Apple hardware...especially if the claims made by folks in this thread and forum are truthful.
 
The purpose of the iTunes store - be it video, music, apps, podcasts, whathaveyou - seems to be to sell more Apple hardware to consume said media available via iTunes.
If it would be so, they would offer optional bd.

So Apple denying direct Blu-ray playback in software and not offering Blu-ray playback hardware would not strike me as a decision meant to "protect" iTunes store content. After all, Apple does not prevent DVD and CD playback, even though they sell and movies, television shows and music via the iTunes store.

iTunes hd movies are advertised as being better and easier than dvd.
If they would offer bd, iTunes hd movies would not be the "premium" alternative.
And I'll guess that if dvd's have been introduced after iTunes, there wouldn't be even dvd's in macs.

If anything, it should help increase sales of Apple hardware...especially if the claims made by folks in this thread and forum are truthful.
Can anybody come up with any reason why offering optional bd drive would somehow decrease Apple's hardware sales?
 
I just want to burn my videocamera stuff to blu ray :(

I'm sorry, not on a Mac, not ever, not without jumping through hoops. This guy has other plans for the planet and his profitability.

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If you'd like a cutting edge computer that can handle Blu-ray, please look elsewhere.

ANYWHERE else.

Boxx is a good start.

http://www.boxxtech.com/

:apple:
 
The purpose of the iTunes store - be it video, music, apps, podcasts, whathaveyou - seems to be to sell more Apple hardware to consume said media available via iTunes.

So Apple denying direct Blu-ray playback in software and not offering Blu-ray playback hardware would not strike me as a decision meant to "protect" iTunes store content. After all, Apple does not prevent DVD and CD playback, even though they sell and movies, television shows and music via the iTunes store.

If anything, it should help increase sales of Apple hardware...especially if the claims made by folks in this thread and forum are truthful.
CDs and DVDs are too ubiquitous for Apple to suddenly drop support for them, but if both technologies came out today I doubt Apple would support either one. IMO, Apple is pushing their distribution method and giving the cold shoulder to Blu-Ray because using the iTMS further pulls people into Apple's walled garden which in turn sells more hardware and makes it more difficult for customers to leave. I mean, if someone's 'digital life' incorporates an iPad, iPhone, :apple:TV and uses iTMS heavily there has to be a very, very big incentive for them to leave for a competitor's product.

Can Apple be a leader of the pack when it comes to distribution via physical media? No. Can Apple be a leader of the pack when it comes to distribution via the internet? Yes. This is the same reasoning why I think Apple has put the development of the iDevices ahead of 'traditional' computers the past few years because the potential for major growth is in these mobile computing areas.

Apple is also trying to get away from 'old media' in other ways as well. Although more superficial than anything is Apple dropping the CD-based icon from iTunes. More telling though is what Apple has, or more accurately has not, done for DVD Studio Pro and iDVD. DVD SP has been at version 4 since 2005 and no one would know iDVD is still a part of iLife going by the Back to the Mac presentation recently. Apple doesn't want you to burn your home movies to DVD they want you to share them to other iDevices. Of course this necessitates owning said devices which brings me back my 'walled garden' point from earlier.


Lethal
 
CDs and DVDs are too ubiquitous for Apple to suddenly drop support for them, but if both technologies came out today I doubt Apple would support either one. IMO, Apple is pushing their distribution method and giving the cold shoulder to Blu-Ray because using the iTMS further pulls people into Apple's walled garden which in turn sells more hardware and makes it more difficult for customers to leave. I mean, if someone's 'digital life' incorporates an iPad, iPhone, :apple:TV and uses iTMS heavily there has to be a very, very big incentive for them to leave for a competitor's product.

While the days of "rip, mix, burn" are gone, they were replaced by "rip, mux, mix".

Digital music sales are growing, but they are not ubiquitous. So people are ripping their CDs and converting them to MP3s/AACs to put on their iPhones and iPods.

And the AppleTV forum is full with posts on how to rip and convert DVDs and BDs to use with that device and iPhones/iPods/iPads as well as watching them on their MacBooks and iMacs/Mac Pros.

And that non-iTMS Apple-device-formatted content keeps customers "locked in" to Apple just as hard.

Now, if Apple stopped selling all-types of media via the iTMS and only allowed (DRM'd up the arse) rentals, I would believe that their goal is to restrict users to Apple-supplied content only.

But while the media creators/distributors would dearly love that to happen, Apple has in fact fought against such a plan for some time.
 
CDs and DVDs are too ubiquitous for Apple to suddenly drop support for them, but if both technologies came out today I doubt Apple would support either one. IMO, Apple is pushing their distribution method and giving the cold shoulder to Blu-Ray because using the iTMS further pulls people into Apple's walled garden which in turn sells more hardware and makes it more difficult for customers to leave. I mean, if someone's 'digital life' incorporates an iPad, iPhone, :apple:TV and uses iTMS heavily there has to be a very, very big incentive for them to leave for a competitor's product.

Can Apple be a leader of the pack when it comes to distribution via physical media? No. Can Apple be a leader of the pack when it comes to distribution via the internet? Yes. This is the same reasoning why I think Apple has put the development of the iDevices ahead of 'traditional' computers the past few years because the potential for major growth is in these mobile computing areas.

Apple is also trying to get away from 'old media' in other ways as well. Although more superficial than anything is Apple dropping the CD-based icon from iTunes. More telling though is what Apple has, or more accurately has not, done for DVD Studio Pro and iDVD. DVD SP has been at version 4 since 2005 and no one would know iDVD is still a part of iLife going by the Back to the Mac presentation recently. Apple doesn't want you to burn your home movies to DVD they want you to share them to other iDevices. Of course this necessitates owning said devices which brings me back my 'walled garden' point from earlier.


Lethal
Why should I or any other Apple customer and creative professional concern myself with Apple's marketing strategies and even defend them on the sole basis of their being insanely successful?
What's good for Apple isn't necessarily good for us and our business!

Although the answers might shatter my longtime Apple loyalty, these are the only questions that really matter to me:
- Does Apple still present the best hardware and OS solutions for my work?
- Will Apple keep on investing in hardware and software for creative content creators (video, graphics, music), or will that support be neglected even further than it already has?

Apple's openly declared non-commitment to BluRay, their stubborn resistance to offer more choices for their high-end users, the stagnant development of FCS and their reluctance to implement new technology (except of course for proprietary Apple stuff) let me seriously doubt that!!!

Apple's half-hearted "Back to the Mac" ploy didn't erase these doubts one bit...
I found Cook's lame argumentation very telling: He basically said that Mac sales are still way too good for them to drop the Mac business. But the uninspired Lion presentation then offered absolutely no proof that they are really trying to put serious efforts back into the Mac. This was not even applause-worthy.
They are probably thinking: Why putting more efforts into a money making machine that obviously sells by itself, even when built with yesterday's components?

Unsurprising the highlight of the show was again a brilliantly (re)designed ultra-portable laptop aimed at low end users and business travelers.
The dumbification of iLife also went one step further. While you still barely got half of the editing functions of iMovie 06 back, this toy for dummies at least can now generate trailers. WOW!
It seems iLife 11 has the sole purpose to lure computer illiterates to the Mac and to force anybody with aspirations that go beyond bare basics into buying FCE, FCS, Aperture and Logic. They know well it's not even worth 49 bucks...

All Apple has to do is simplifying and pricing down their formerly known as Pro Solutions for these less demanding customers (aspiring amateurs) while leaving the professional content creators with their annoying and expensive demands in the hands of Adobe, Avid & Co. and let them roast in Windows hell!

Apple is no longer in need to produce "the best computer in the world" when the best tablet, the best phone and the best media player will do just fine...
 
Why should I or any other Apple customer and creative professional concern myself with Apple's marketing strategies and even defend them on the sole basis of their being insanely successful?
What's good for Apple isn't necessarily good for us and our business!

Although the answers might shatter my longtime Apple loyalty, these are the only questions that really matter to me:
- Does Apple still present the best hardware and OS solutions for my work?
- Will Apple keep on investing in hardware and software for creative content creators (video, graphics, music), or will that support be neglected even further than it already has?

Apple's openly declared non-commitment to BluRay, their stubborn resistance to offer more choices for their high-end users, the stagnant development of FCS and their reluctance to implement new technology (except of course for proprietary Apple stuff) let me seriously doubt that!!!

Apple's half-hearted "Back to the Mac" ploy didn't erase these doubts one bit...
I found Cook's lame argumentation very telling: He basically said that Mac sales are still way too good for them to drop the Mac business. But the uninspired Lion presentation then offered absolutely no proof that they are really trying to put serious efforts back into the Mac. This was not even applause-worthy.
They are probably thinking: Why putting more efforts into a money making machine that obviously sells by itself, even when built with yesterday's components?

Unsurprising the highlight of the show was again a brilliantly (re)designed ultra-portable laptop aimed at low end users and business travelers.
The dumbification of iLife also went one step further. While you still barely got half of the editing functions of iMovie 06 back, this toy for dummies at least can now generate trailers. WOW!
It seems iLife 11 has the sole purpose to lure computer illiterates to the Mac and to force anybody with aspirations that go beyond bare basics into buying FCE, FCS, Aperture and Logic. They know well it's not even worth 49 bucks...

All Apple has to do is simplifying and pricing down their formerly known as Pro Solutions for these less demanding customers (aspiring amateurs) while leaving the professional content creators with their annoying and expensive demands in the hands of Adobe, Avid & Co. and let them roast in Windows hell!

Apple is no longer in need to produce "the best computer in the world" when the best tablet, the best phone and the best media player will do just fine...

Agreed on all counts. It's sad too. It's the like we're watching the beginning of the end.
 
Blu-ray just won an EMMY! I really wish Steve would pull his head out of you-know-where...
Hmm. Considering the dude created Apple and is making it succeed like no other business, he's probably at least 10 times smarter than you. So then, i wonder where (and how far up) yours might be.

Yeah, some folks care... but most don't seem to. I haven't even bothered to get a BD player yet, let alone a burner. You folks may as well buy an external (or a PeeCee) and get on with it... because all these complaints aren't accomplishing much.

At the rate things are going however, BD will probably die long before this thread ever will. ;)
 
So how about this....

People like me want bd burners in their imacs so it would be easy to burn a disc to share movies with families/friends who aren't into cloud sharing or posting home videos to file sharing site. But how about using sd cards? I know some tvs have sd card slots for slide-showing photos. Do any accept the higher capacity cards and have the ability to play videos? Wouldn't it be nice to pop a tiny sd card into your imac, send a completed imovie file to the card and then just mail it to grandma and grandpa who can just shove the card into their tv and watch the videos that way?
 
Don't forget the $$$

Wouldn't it be nice to pop a tiny sd card into your imac, send a completed imovie file to the card and then just mail it to grandma and grandpa who can just shove the card into their tv and watch the videos that way?

Let me augment your suggestion:

Wouldn't it be nice to pop a tiny $60 sd card into your imac, send a completed imovie file to the card and then just mail it to grandma and grandpa who can just shove the card into their tv and watch the videos that way?​

And it's $60 for an SDHC card with 2/3 the capacity of a dual layer BD disc.

It's over $200 for an SDXC card which has as much storage as a dual layer BD.
 
Let me augment your suggestion:

Wouldn't it be nice to pop a tiny $60 sd card into your imac, send a completed imovie file to the card and then just mail it to grandma and grandpa who can just shove the card into their tv and watch the videos that way?​

And it's $60 for an SDHC card with 2/3 the capacity of a dual layer BD disc.

It's over $200 for an SDXC card which has as much storage as a dual layer BD.

OK... maybe some day prices will drop.....
 
Hmm. Considering the dude created Apple and is making it succeed like no other business, he's probably at least 10 times smarter than you. So then, i wonder where (and how far up) yours might be.

Yeah, some folks care... but most don't seem to. I haven't even bothered to get a BD player yet, let alone a burner. You folks may as well buy an external (or a PeeCee) and get on with it... because all these complaints aren't accomplishing much.

At the rate things are going however, BD will probably die long before this thread ever will. ;)

Spoken like a true puppet on a string!

Unfortunately, I don't see his Jobsworthyness adding blu-ray any time soon, which is a great shame. I'd probably buy a mac-mini to replace my Windoze 7 media centre if he did.

I think like others Apple are too concerned with lining their pockets with consumption of media (through iTunes) for the masses.

Missed opportunity I think, I don't think we're at a point where uncompressed 1080p, HD Audio can be streamed through anyone's internet connection reliably, and media storage is not at a price point (or easily operated) to support storage of true HiDef content either, so the humble disc (for this purpose) I think still has a good many years in it yet...
 
Spoken like a true puppet on a string!

Not at all. BD simply doesn't matter as much to some people. [seriously, i don't give 2.fux about bd... and apparently i'm not alone.] It's just that the proponents of BD are so much louder and persistent, despite their minority status.
 
Hmm. Considering the dude created Apple and is making it succeed like no other business, he's probably at least 10 times smarter than you.

Hitler was 10 times smarter than you, but not smart enough to know when he was fighting a battle he could and would never win.

Not at all. BD simply doesn't matter as much to some people. [seriously, i don't give 2.fux about bd... and apparently i'm not alone.] It's just that the proponents of BD are so much louder and persistent, despite their minority status.

The most progressive people in any group always start as a minority. Then they grow to be mainstream, having lead the pack against all threats.

Then, eventually, the dinosaurs die off. Even if they claimed to be visionaries all along. ("Asteroid? WHAT asteroid? Check out this cool iVegetation.")

It will happen to Jobs.

:apple:
 
I believe....well sometimes :)

Ive been using Netflix on PS3, iPad and iPhone.
Im actually impressed with it so far.
I even watched a bit on my iPhone using 3G.
I still buy and rent BD, but the Netflix option is pretty viable :)
 
If you'd like a cutting edge computer that can handle Blu-ray, please look elsewhere.

ANYWHERE else.

Boxx is a good start.

http://www.boxxtech.com/

:apple:

OMG that is hilarious! If someone put that laptop on a airplane tray I think the tray would snap off. I can't wait to see their version of the iPad - LOL

I'll take an Air on the plane any day over that monstrosity. I am sorry but BD is not compelling enough for me to sacrifice travel convenience. If I need to watch a movie with my Air I will load it with a couple of movies from my NAS.

Hmmm, let me look into my crystal ball, nope, I am not seeing Boxxtech surpassing Apple any time soon. To all my fellow Apple users, don't worry, "Apple is not going out of business like Amiga anytime soon" - LOL
 
OMG that is hilarious! If someone put that laptop on a airplane tray I think the tray would snap off. I can't wait to see their version of the iPad - LOL

I'll take an Air on the plane any day over that monstrosity. I am sorry but BD is not compelling enough for me to sacrifice travel convenience. If I need to watch a movie with my Air I will load it with a couple of movies from my NAS.

Hmmm, let me look into my crystal ball, nope, I am not seeing Boxxtech surpassing Apple any time soon. To all my fellow Apple users, don't worry, "Apple is not going out of business like Amiga anytime soon" - LOL

here are 67 diffrent models of laptops

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ption=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=

all of them have BD Roms, almost all of them are cheaper and faster than the macbook base model
 
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