Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[Xil3]

A hard drive is already the worst piece of equipement you can get as far as reliability goes. It isn't a proper way to archive data. Then you propose carrying around this device, which has mechanical moving parts that are even more prone to damage when moved around.

No, just no.

I use it for media, not for storing vital data.

Most of my important stuff is stored in remote locations (dedicated servers).

And you're also going off topic - this was originally a simple comment, which turned into a 'portability' argument, and now 'reliability'...

I don't disagree with you, but I think that my external hard-drive is perfect for storing media, which I carry around with me. If it fails, then oh well - it's not the end of the world, just a small piss-off.

 

[KnightWRX]

I don't disagree with you, but I think that my external hard-drive is perfect for storing media, which I carry around with me. If it fails, then oh well - it's not the end of the world, just a small piss-off.

And I'd rather just carry along that single or 2 movies on DVD/Blu-ray (or even then, just stored locally on the laptop's hard drive). That way I have less chances of getting a DOA and anyway it's not like I'm going to spend a whole trip watching god damn movies that I would even need 1 TB of data. Even on business trips, there's usually much more fun stuff to do, even if it's just lounging at the Hotel bar with a nice Scotch glass. Plus they are less expensive to replace if I lose/break them.

So again, no, just no.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

And I'd rather just carry along that single or 2 movies on DVD/Blu-ray (or even then, just stored locally on the laptop's hard drive). That way I have less chances of getting a DOA and anyway it's not like I'm going to spend a whole trip watching god damn movies that I would even need 1 TB of data. Even on business trips, there's usually much more fun stuff to do, even if it's just lounging at the Hotel bar with a nice Scotch glass. Plus they are less expensive to replace if I lose/break them.

So again, no, just no.

I agree with all points made. Especially the final NO.

 

[leroypants]

Are you seriously asking me that?

Here are the measurements of my external hd, and it holds 1TB.

Width: 11 cm
Depth: 8.3 cm
Height: 1.8 cm
Weight: 200 g

I'm sorry, but I'd rather carry that around ANY day rather than a bunch of blu-ray disks.

How can you even justify blu-rays as being portable? Get a damn clue.

yeah i would love to have that set up on the tray table in an airplane....

 

[leroypants]

Why do people keep insisting it's all about watching movies on a plane? My big complaint is not being able to burn, without third party software or hardware, hd videos from our iMacs.

That is my biggest complaint too, why should I shell out two grand for a laptop that can't do what a 800 dollar Sony can?

 

[Mac'nCheese]

yeah i would love to have that set up on the tray table in an airplane....

No, no, the other guy was right. The only way to watch a blu ray on an airplane is to take YOUR ENTIRE COLLECTION WITH YOU!

 

[NT1440]

No, no, the other guy was right. The only way to watch a blu ray on an airplane is to take YOUR ENTIRE COLLECTION WITH YOU!

Because that is clearly what he said. /sarcasm

 

[dscuber9000]

I used my disc drive for the first time about a week ago to update iLife. I've had my MBP for over a year. For me, physical media is just dead. I don't use it. I don't want to use it. Blu-Ray isn't going to change that.

Do Blu-Ray movies even look any better on a laptop screen anyway?

 

[Mac'nCheese]

Oh lets see - would I rather carry around 50 bluray disks, or instead carry around 1 external hard disk (with a cord). Maybe I'm missing the point here, but I don't think shuffling through a bunch of disks and then finally inserting them into your drive is portable, or very practical.

Because that is clearly what he said. /sarcasm

Actually, that's exactly what he said.

 

[leroypants]

No, no, the other guy was right. The only way to watch a blu ray on an airplane is to take YOUR ENTIRE COLLECTION WITH YOU!

Not one single person has said they wanted to take their entire collection with them. Some people want to take a few movies for a trip or a plane ride, i know that is very hard to understand though.

 

[Mac'nCheese]

Not one single person has said they wanted to take their entire collection with them. Some people want to take a few movies for a trip or a plane ride, i know that is very hard to understand though.

REALLY???? Hey, you know what else is hard to understand? When someone else is being sarcastic and referencing another post claiming that people would take 50 discs on a plane..... I thought the sarcastic little face would help but I guess not.

 

[linux2mac]

A hard drive is already the worst piece of equipement you can get as far as reliability goes. It isn't a proper way to archive data. Then you propose carrying around this device, which has mechanical moving parts that are even more prone to damage when moved around.

No, just no.

No moving parts with streaming though. VUDU brings BD quality streaming to PS3 tomorrow.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/17/vudu-movie-service-coming-to-ps3-on-november-23/

No need to worry about carrying entire BD collection and breaking hard drives.

 

[KnightWRX]

No moving parts with streaming though. VUDU brings not even close to BD quality, but using appropriate buzzwords so that the ignore consumers think it is the same streaming to PS3 tomorrow.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/17/vudu-movie-service-coming-to-ps3-on-november-23/

Fixed that there for you.

As we've told you before and you keep ignoring : No, it's not Blu-ray quality. It's much lower bitrate 1080p and sound. And as we've told you countless times : Not everyone has the bandwidth allocations necessary for such streaming to even work.

And as we've told you even more times : Streaming doesn't have to lose for Blu-ray to win. You're fighting a ridiculous battle because most of us that do use Blu-ray also use streaming services. I rent all movies through my Cable provider's VOD services. I buy all my movies on Blu-ray. I use both when each is appropriate.

Do Blu-Ray movies even look any better on a laptop screen anyway?

Yes, yes they do. My laptop screen has 900 lines of vertical resolution. 1080p looks better on it than 720p or 480p, not to mention the bitrate of a Blu-ray movie over any Internet downloads, which mean about any scenes has much less compression artifacts. Also the fact that my laptop is connected to a display with 2048x1156 resolution about 75% of the time...

Seriously, these arguments were debunked ages ago. Why bother to post if you don't read the thread ?

 

[MacNewsFix]

Fixed that there for you.

As we've told you before and you keep ignoring : No, it's not Blu-ray quality. It's much lower bitrate 1080p and sound. And as we've told you countless times : Not everyone has the bandwidth allocations necessary for such streaming to even work.

Vudu download service can provide a bitrate of 20 MBs, while most BDs' bitrate seem to hover either slightly below or slightly above 20MBs on average. I concede that this is not complete parity, but it is damn close. The question now is the difference enough for people to begin investing in a technology that may be eclipsed in the next few years by something much more convenient. I am not sure what is available in Canada, but in the U.S., we are soon going to be able to get 150MBs down and 35MBs up, more than adequate for a streaming service to provide BD quality, on demand films. Amazing, considering just over 6 years ago, most of the U.S. was on dialup.

As for streaming matching BD, even some respect HD journalists state the gap is closing. For instance, PC Magazine writer and host of HD Nation Robert Heron, a guy that is flown to Asia to check out new advancements on HD technology on manufacturers' dime, claims Vudu's HDX and BD quality are "pretty darn close."

As someone that jumped on the LaserDisk train 20 years ago, I have been here before. I have a handful of BD disks but doubt I'll invest anymore money in them. In the meantime, I'll just rent a BD from Netflix when I want to see it in the absolutely best quality since I already have Bd player (PS3). However, for others, I am recommending picking up a TV with a combination of Netflix and Vudu built right in. Netflix gives them an all-you-can-eat option, and Vudu will give them access to that occasional blockbuster film not yet on Netflix or for films that they want to see in high bitrate, 24fps 1080p. Most of the streaming services continue to aggressively improve their audio and video quality, and I have little doubt that it will be long before they match spec for spec with BD.

Seriously, these arguments were debunked ages ago. Why bother to post if you don't read the thread ?

Really? Faulting someone for not wanting to read through a 140+ page thread?!!

 

[iEdd]

Really? Faulting someone for not wanting to read through a 140+ page thread?!!

Or just any one page. It pretty much comes up that often.

Edit:

Vudu download service can provide a bitrate of 20 MBs, while most BDs' bitrate seem to hover either slightly below or slightly above 20MBs on average. I concede that this is not complete parity, but it is damn close. The question now is the difference enough for people to begin investing in a technology that may be eclipsed in the next few years by something much more convenient. I am not sure what is available in Canada, but in the U.S., we are soon going to be able to get 150MBs down and 35MBs up.

Excuse my scepticism, but:

150MB/s? That's 1.2Gbps. Where in the US do you get these speeds? That's pretty fast, even for fibre.

20MB/s is 72GB an hour. That is a BIG movie download - over 100GB for a 1.5 hour film.

 

[MacNewsFix]

Or just any one page. It pretty much comes up that often.

Edit:



Excuse my scepticism, but:

150MB/s? That's 1.2Gbps. Where in the US do you get these speeds? That's pretty fast, even for fibre.

20MB/s is 72GB an hour. That is a BIG movie download - over 100GB for a 1.5 hour film.

Verizon FiOS.

Also offerring 100Mbs+ downloads are Cablevision and even some rural telcos (ex. Smithville in Indiana). There is even a telco in Tennessee offerring 1Gbs to residential customers.

 

[iEdd]

Just looked it up. It's not even close to 150MB/s (1.2Gbps).

It's currently 50Mbps, with some mention of 150Mbps - exactly 8 times smaller than what you said. That won't cover 20MB/s even at max speed.

 

[JAT]

As someone that jumped on the LaserDisk train 20 years ago, I have been here before. I have a handful of BD disks but doubt I'll invest anymore money in them. In the meantime, I'll just rent a BD from Netflix when I want to see it in the absolutely best quality since I already have Bd player (PS3).

The main part of this thread is about BD on Macs. Rented BDs from Netflix also do not play on Macs. While we have had plenty of diverging subtopics in almost 4000 posts, your post is incoherent in relation to this thread. Pick on-topic or off-topic, and don't merge them into proof of each other.

And, off-topic: LD and BD are very dissimilar, comparing them is pretty iffy. BD has FAR more market penetration already than LD did in 30 years. And yes, LD is the king of longevity so far, believe it or not. That is what a true niche product can pull off, but it was not as lucrative as a mainstream product like DVD or BD. I still have more LDs than BDs, but that will likely change, if only because I should toss some of the pointless LDs in my house.

 

[JAT]

Verizon FiOS.

Also offerring 100Mbs+ downloads are Cablevision and even some rural telcos (ex. Smithville in Indiana). There is even a telco in Tennessee offerring 1Gbs to residential customers.

Just looked it up. It's not even close to 150MB/s (1.2Gbps).

It's currently 50Mbps, with some mention of 150Mbps - exactly 8 times smaller than what you said. That won't cover 20MB/s even at max speed.

In case you haven't quite figured this out...

Byte = B
bit = b

8 bits = 1 Byte

Sometimes capitalization does matter.

But also, BD is 20-40Mb. Lots of confusion everywhere.

 

[iEdd]

In case you haven't quite figured this out...

Byte = B.

Exactly my point; the original poster said B (bytes) when obviously meant bits. Usually this happens the other way around as it takes more effort to capitalise a B.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

Verizon FiOS.

If only my neighborhood had that. I'm stuck with comcast and they could not care less what download speed I actually get. They advertise "up to X amount."

Anytime I call with a speed issue, they say I am within acceptable speed range for my pricing tier.


That would be the low end of the acceptable range, of course. Comcast FTW.

 

[linux2mac]

Capital "B", little "b", bytes, Bits, Bots, whatever. This forum is not an English class. The point of this thread is discussing why SJ axed BD. It's obvious and there is plenty of learning material on the web for those that need to get up to speed on the topic. In the mean time, I am looking forward to VUDU on my PS3 tomorrow. Time for me to sell my BD collection - oh wait, I don't have one because I didn't invest in old technology.

 

[AidenShaw]

It's a communication issue, not an English class

Capital "B", little "b", bytes, Bits, Bots, whatever. This forum is not an English class.

This isn't some minor issue like typing "its" when you meant "it is".

If you don't type "bits" and "bytes", you need to understand that "b" is the abbreviation for "bits" and "B" is the abbreviation for "bytes". Being off by a factor of 8 isn't an English issue like using a plural subject and singular verb.

 

[MacNewsFix]

Just looked it up. It's not even close to 150MB/s (1.2Gbps).

It's currently 50Mbps, with some mention of 150Mbps - exactly 8 times smaller than what you said. That won't cover 20MB/s even at max speed.

http://www.telecompetitor.com/verizon-joins-100-mbs-club-launches-150-mbs-fios-tier/

With all due respect, I am going to take the advice of the guy that gets paid for his opinion on HD matters. When he says it is already "darn close," combined with the convenience of the medium, I'm not seeing BD being around too long. Further, I'd feel guilty telling others to invest heavily in it.

As for the 1Gb/s service:
http://www.telecompetitor.com/epb-sees-first-takers-for-1-gbs-residential-broadband-service/

Think about it, seven years ago, most people would likely say something akin to a service like Netflix streaming in 1080p, 5.1 surround as ludicrous. With how competitive the telco market is right now, and the push in the U.S. to remain competitive globally, broadband will just keep getting better.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone in this thread have a dog in this fight (ie BD is how they make a living) in the name of full disclosure?

 

[linux2mac]

This isn't some minor issue like typing "its" when you meant "it is".

If you don't type "bits" and "bytes", you need to understand that "b" is the abbreviation for "bits" and "B" is the abbreviation for "bytes". Being off by a factor of 8 isn't an English issue like using a plural subject and singular verb.

I disagree. It's as minor as Macs not having a BD player. VUDU tomorrow on my PS3 - YAAAAY!


P.S. You never got back to me on which is better, a Windows server or a Linux server?