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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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I have concluded that any further discussion here is useless. The "Apple is right" camp is closed to any argument, not even reading responses or basically clueless to the technical side of the discussion. They are simply arguing to illicit responses. I bow out, thread is now useless.
BTW, I looked up the Vudu bitrate thing, HDX, please. It's not even close to BD quality.
BTW, I looked up the Vudu bitrate thing, HDX, please. It's not even close to BD quality.
...because Apple Consumer Electronics and Media makes more money from downloads.
^ That!
I think Steve Jobs may be right, no offense to the guy who argued for blu-ray, but one has a multi-billion dollar company and the other doesn't. Who do you think is right?
Unless it's all about bigger profit margins
Because Flash crashes Macs and Bluray crashes iTunes movie sales...
Who in his right mind would pay more for heavily compressed iTS "HD" content with often compromised soundtrack (i.e. dubbed or dolby surround) than a beautiful looking 1080p BluRay disc with DTS-HD and tons of extras?
Would people still go to fast food chains if a BigMac did cost more than a dinner at a decent restaurant?
Don't forget the bandwidth cap, because "unlimited" does not mean unlimited, you are limited to 250G, go over and you are violating the terms of service. I come close sometimes just downloading and streaming music. Let's imagine adding in several 1080p high bitrate movie downloads a month.
Capital "B", little "b", bytes, Bits, Bots, whatever. This forum is not an English class. The point of this thread is discussing why SJ axed BD. It's obvious and there is plenty of learning material on the web for those that need to get up to speed on the topic. In the mean time, I am looking forward to VUDU on my PS3 tomorrow. Time for me to sell my BD collection - oh wait, I don't have one because I didn't invest in old technology.
Getting bytes and bits wrong isn't a matter of grammar. It means you're off by nearly one order of magnitude or a factor of 10x which is not minor. If you understand even the most basic of computer concepts you must understand that.
Further, you're going to be disappointed by the low quality streaming you'll get from VUDU. But go ahead and don't invest in "old" technology in exchange for giddily supporting lower quality trendy substitutes with less content choice. Maybe I'll try VUDU just to see how inferior it is to give an honest opinion. But I've already noticed they only support Dolby Digital Plus, which is vastly inferior to the lossless sound available on Blu-Ray. I'm sure VUDU is loaded with similar quality short cuts in the video compression.
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Gotta love your willful embrace of ignorance. Four legs gooooooood, two legs baaaaaaad
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Good question. It would explain why the handful of anti-Apple posters are here because of no BD in Macs. Why else would so few with no vested interest in Apple (i.e don't own Macs and, or any technology with a Apple logo on it turns their stomachs) expend so much energy bad mouthing SJ and Company because he refuses to adopt old technology?
BOOM!
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Well, I guess I do. I don't make a living using BD but I do own a mac and want to burn hd videos to share. Does that count?
Macs are shipping right now, so are BDs. Why does 7 years from now matter to you right now?
And, what push in the US? All I see is corporate greed on bandwidth from cable, telco companies. They appear blind to the rest of the world, or their customers. I live 10 miles from the geographic center of the 13th largest metro in the US, and I can't get DSL above 1.5Mbps. There are people on this forum from Europe with 100Mbps that pay less than I did for the 1.5.
Several have said so. Several others have said they own discs and would like to play them on their computer from time to time, which is easily possible if it doesn't run OSX.
So?
Seriously? Boom? Is that from a kids cartoon to show you've won an argument? You do know that some of us didn't go "linux to mac" last year, more like "mac to mac to mac to mac to mac..." from 1984 to present.
What about the not-anti-Apple posters that are also against Steve's views on this ?
Again, at this point, I encourage everyone to ignore linux2mac. He is not here to discuss, only to provoke.
What about the not-anti-Apple posters that are also against Steve's views on this ?
Again, at this point, I encourage everyone to ignore linux2mac. He is not here to discuss, only to provoke.
At least I stick to my word.
Yes you do, even well after being proven wrong multiple times, by multiple posters, you stick to your word, no matter how untrue it is.
That's valid and a fair point.
Where my concern lies is, all too often, I read a review or the like by someone claiming to be a neutral party in a debate only to learn later that they have strong ties to particular industries involved. Also, several companies have been busted posting fake reviews (ex. Rock Band Games) or going into forums and slandering competitors (ex. Whole Foods: http://consumerist.com/2007/07/whole-foods-ceo-caught-bashing-wild-oats-stock-on-yahoo-forums.html ).
Individuals connected to BD stand to either make or lose a great deal of money depending how this plays out.
I found this on the Air Print thread.
The same applies to BD. I should fix the poster's quote and add "For those who want infinite backward compatibility, buy a PC with a floppy drive and a serial port and a BD player."
Thank you SJ "for pushing us to the future." Now its time for me to download VUDU to my PS3.
Anyone else remember buying the first iMac on the first day? The only way to print was via a USB printer...and there was only ONE printer out there that had a USB connection. It was an HP InkJet. Today pretty much every printer has USB.
Now there are 11 printers that work with AirPrint. In a few years they all will. Thank you Apple for pushing us toward the future. For those who want infinite backward compatibility, buy a PC with a floppy drive and a serial port.
The same applies to BD. I should fix the poster's quote and add "For those who want infinite backward compatibility, buy a PC with a floppy drive and a serial port and a BD player."
Thank you SJ "for pushing us to the future." Now its time for me to download VUDU to my PS3.
lol - maybe they need to teach sony how to do this properly with their psp go
What about the not-anti-Apple posters that are also against Steve's views on this ?
*Raises hand.*
That must be the group capable of thinking for themselves.
Facts:
- Figures say Blu-Ray isn't dead, or even close.
- Anyone with half decent vision or who even reads the specs know that it's the superior medium for video quality.
- It's newer tech and better than DVD.
What about the people arguing AGAINST blu-ray? Do they make a living off Blu-Ray not being allowed? (eg. all these 'revolutionary' streaming services that people keep saying kill Blu-Ray, yet they are only available in the US - which is of course, the only country in the world.)
It sure would explain a few things. If there was discussion for an eSATA port in Macs, I probably wouldn't use it, but why the hell would I argue against it? Oh noes, not more choice for consumers.
Finally, the battle is Blu-Ray vs DVD, not Blu-Ray vs streaming/online downloads, which are completely different things and will co-exist for a long time (quote me on 5-10 years). As for BD vs DVD, as I keep saying, as long as there's an optical drive in a Mac, it should be recent technology, such as Blu-Ray, which is 7 years old.
I believe the "BOOM" is a tongue in cheek reference to Steve Jobs' predilection to use the phrase.
I am sorry to hear about your connection woes and know you are far from alone. As for your friends in Europe, I, too, am jealous. Hopefully, recent changes in the Universal Service Fund management will mean good things to those with limited to no options for broadband (and the UCC I pay each month is not going to waste).
Also, I wasn't suggesting the U.S. telco industry is going to roll out lightening fast fiber to everyone out of the goodness of their heart. Competition with each other is going to drive them to improve their offerrings as will government incentives. Countries that ignore their broadband infrastructure do so at their own peril.
As for what push in the U.S., here is one example:
http://www.broadband.gov/
There is no doubt that physical media is going to be around until the market shrinks so small that it becomes uneconomic. According to Netflix, this is where they predict the market to be headed based on their research. I'm not really interested in rebuilding my movie library based on it. In fact, more and more I am seeing little incentive to buy any movies.
As for why seven years, I meant in the context of how we have gone from a nation of 56 kbps modems to DSL and high speed cable. However, looking at the graph, in about seven years, it looks like we should expect about as many disks traveling through the mail as we do today. Not the most rosy picture for the future of physical media.
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