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I should fix the poster's quote and add "For those who want infinite backward compatibility, buy a PC with a floppy drive and a serial port and a BD player."
Except macs are now having older gen optical format than (some) PC's.
Equivalent comparison should be: SteveO had an vision that 3.5" floppys would have the fate of dodo, so he decided to stick with 5.25".
 
Vudu download service can provide a bitrate of 20 MBs, while most BDs' bitrate seem to hover either slightly below or slightly above 20MBs on average. I concede that this is not complete parity, but it is damn close. The question now is the difference enough for people to begin investing in a technology that may be eclipsed in the next few years by something much more convenient. I am not sure what is available in Canada, but in the U.S., we are soon going to be able to get 150MBs down and 35MBs up, more than adequate for a streaming service to provide BD quality, on demand films. Amazing, considering just over 6 years ago, most of the U.S. was on dialup.

As for streaming matching BD, even some respect HD journalists state the gap is closing. For instance, PC Magazine writer and host of HD Nation Robert Heron, a guy that is flown to Asia to check out new advancements on HD technology on manufacturers' dime, claims Vudu's HDX and BD quality are "pretty darn close."
Just when do these journalists learn or when do people learn not to trust them?
Did tv kill radio?
Did vinyl kill radio?
Did mp3 kill radio?
Did internet kill radio?
Did internet radio kill radio?
Very few new technologies replace completely and quickly something old that isn't exactly the same as the new one.
Streaming & downloading isn't same as buying a physical copy.

For something to be "pretty damn close" in certain enviroment, doesn't mean it usually will be, not even close.
Yeah, I have 100M internet at home, but we have no iTunes movies in my country. I could rent some garbage over internet, but not buy.

And if you are blinded by ads that soon everybody can have 150M everywhere all the time, you are not just thinking the wide picture.
Maximum speeds do not meet real world. Technical bandwidth does not mean it is economical to use that fully. Just calculate how much bandwidth iTunes would need if 50% of population (happens with tv every now and then) wants to see some content.

I'll bet that 6 years from now, globally only thing that has changed is that bd has replaced dvd. Streaming & downloading is still increasing, but all delivery types are still used. They will still even sell music cd's! Isn't that amazing?

But if Apple keeps this bullying, it can hurt in the long term.
I have waited for good eSata support for 5 years now.
If they also blow usb3 I might not stand it.

Apple is acting like Nokia 5 years ago. And what happened to Nokia.
I have also waited for good supporting software for archiving & backupping Nokia's phones for Mac for about 5 years. It hasn't showed up. My next phone won't be Nokia anymore...
 
I don't think that it's too hard to reconcile them at all.

I would like the choice not to see/hear Fox News. I do not want to prevent you from choosing to watch Fox News.

And that doesn't reconcile with the website you've chosen to promote in your sig. But we are in the wrong thread, so I'll stop bugging you.
 
Just when do these journalists learn or when do people learn not to trust them?
Did tv kill radio?
Did vinyl kill radio?
Did mp3 kill radio?
Did internet kill radio?
Did internet radio kill radio?
Very few new technologies replace completely and quickly something old that isn't exactly the same as the new one.
Streaming & downloading isn't same as buying a physical copy.

Clearly you've never heard this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ
 
I bought 15.5" laptop with bd almost 2 years ago for less than $1k. Same size mac would have been over twice the price without bd.
So it really wasn't just few hundred more.

Interesting how people talk about "...I bought it 2 years ago..." but never give model or specifications. Why should I simply accept your "...I bought it 2 years ago...." because it is sounding as stupid as a job ad asking for a programmer who has 'over 10 years of .NET experience'.
 
Interesting how people talk about "...I bought it 2 years ago..." but never give model or specifications. Why should I simply accept your "...I bought it 2 years ago...." because it is sounding as stupid as a job ad asking for a programmer who has 'over 10 years of .NET experience'.
Bite this: Asus M51Vr.
How stupid does that sound?
 
Bite this: Asus M51Vr.
How stupid does that sound?

Sounds nice if you enjoy having a laptop with a 2 hour battery life, loaded with Windows Vista and costing NZ$300 more than something without a BluRay drive from Apple.

Sorry I don't want to pay $300 premium simply so you can have a BluRay player.

Btw, why the hell are you even on this forum when you're not even a Mac user? I thought trolling was against the forum rules.
 
Pardon me for not reading the entire 150+pages here, but REALLY, what does it take for Steve Jobs to change his mind and make it so we can read/write blue ray...1080p 3D movies are the way things are going and the internet is a long ways from being able to stream these!!

DEATH. Trust me. As one who's been fighting this battle with every weapon in the arsenal for more than three years, the man has to die before the Apple board can start making cutting edge computers again.

You can't fix disease-induced insanity, and Willie Wonka isn't going easily.

Just when do these journalists learn or when do people learn not to trust them?
Did tv kill radio?
Did vinyl kill radio?
Did mp3 kill radio?
Did internet kill radio?
Did internet radio kill radio?
Very few new technologies replace completely and quickly something old that isn't exactly the same as the new one.
Streaming & downloading isn't same as buying a physical copy.

For something to be "pretty damn close" in certain enviroment, doesn't mean it usually will be, not even close.
Yeah, I have 100M internet at home, but we have no iTunes movies in my country. I could rent some garbage over internet, but not buy.

And if you are blinded by ads that soon everybody can have 150M everywhere all the time, you are not just thinking the wide picture.
Maximum speeds do not meet real world. Technical bandwidth does not mean it is economical to use that fully. Just calculate how much bandwidth iTunes would need if 50% of population (happens with tv every now and then) wants to see some content.

I'll bet that 6 years from now, globally only thing that has changed is that bd has replaced dvd. Streaming & downloading is still increasing, but all delivery types are still used. They will still even sell music cd's! Isn't that amazing?

But if Apple keeps this bullying, it can hurt in the long term.
I have waited for good eSata support for 5 years now.
If they also blow usb3 I might not stand it.

Apple is acting like Nokia 5 years ago. And what happened to Nokia.
I have also waited for good supporting software for archiving & backupping Nokia's phones for Mac for about 5 years. It hasn't showed up. My next phone won't be Nokia anymore...

Apple will suffer eventually when the kiddies they've chosen over content creating professionals go after cheaper flashier stuff from China. It's already happening with the phones.

Then the iToy bubble in their bottom line will pop, and Jobs will finally be gone.

And hopefully, before it's too late, at least the OS will support complete Blu-ray functionality at WHATEVER price they have to pay (and I'm betting it will be higher than what they'd have to pay now) and at least the top of the line towers will come with them standard.

If I ran Sony, I'd make Apple pay ten times the amount they would pay today. Without a blink.

:apple:
 
Btw, why the hell are you even on this forum when you're not even a Mac user? I thought trolling was against the forum rules.

Then why are you breaking the rules ? When did this forum become exclusive to Mac users ? iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac, there's plenty of products in the Apple ecosystem that could warrant someone being here.

I fail to see how "loving everything Apple" is requirement to be on this forum. Seems to me it's the "Apple does no wrong" crowd that seems to post just to incite responses rather than to advance the discussion.
 
Then why are you breaking the rules ? When did this forum become exclusive to Mac users ? iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac, there's plenty of products in the Apple ecosystem that could warrant someone being here.

I fail to see how "loving everything Apple" is requirement to be on this forum. Seems to me it's the "Apple does no wrong" crowd that seems to post just to incite responses rather than to advance the discussion.

The whole

"No flash? Well, I never use flash anyway"
"No Bluray? I'll stick with my blurry crap because it's, uh, lighter?"
"No iDOS? Well it was illegal anyway"
"No optical drive? Well optical drives are on the way out"

I used to believe that anyone throwing the term "distortion field" around was a fanboy, but after a few months of lurking around here, that term makes more sense than ever before.
 
Sounds nice if you enjoy having a laptop with a 2 hour battery life, loaded with Windows Vista and costing NZ$300 more than something without a BluRay drive from Apple.
Sounds like somebody's moving a goal here.
$300 more than something from Apple?
What with 15" you can get from Apple costing $700?
Btw, why the hell are you even on this forum when you're not even a Mac user? I thought trolling was against the forum rules.
Wow, your logics are fantastic; I'm not a mac user, because I have bought a laptop with bd!
Why haven't you searched my posting history in macrumors, since you know so much about me? I own MBP & MP and make part of my living using them.
FYI, hell, I love OsX and hate macs less than windows. I miss the professional quality that macs had in the past. Now it's all about profits and making excuses for it...
 
DEATH. Trust me. As one who's been fighting this battle with every weapon in the arsenal for more than three years, the man has to die before the Apple board can start making cutting edge computers again.

You can't fix disease-induced insanity, and Willie Wonka isn't going easily.
Your infatuation with both BD and SJ reaches some truly disturbing depths. :)


Apple will suffer eventually when the kiddies they've chosen over content creating professionals go after cheaper flashier stuff from China. It's already happening with the phones.

Then the iToy bubble in their bottom line will pop, and Jobs will finally be gone.
Uh-huh...and that'll be the night you'll hit the ceiling, won't it? :)



And hopefully, before it's too late, at least the OS will support complete Blu-ray functionality at WHATEVER price they have to pay (and I'm betting it will be higher than what they'd have to pay now) and at least the top of the line towers will come with them standard.
Maybe.

Meanwhile, you've provided no compelling reasons for those of us who don't care that we should do so. [quite the opposite in fact... given your communications style, i almost hope BD never comes.]
 
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Sounds nice if you enjoy having a laptop with a 2 hour battery life, loaded with Windows Vista and costing NZ$300 more than something without a BluRay drive from Apple.

Sorry I don't want to pay $300 premium simply so you can have a BluRay player.

Btw, why the hell are you even on this forum when you're not even a Mac user? I thought trolling was against the forum rules.

what makes you think that laptop is "LOCKED" into any of its original specs?

the battery can be upgraded to a cell, macbooks cannot (and it lasts a lot longer than 2hrs out of the box)
if you tweak the laptop it should get well over 3.5 with undervolting (something macs cant do)

hell my Asus G53JW gets 2 hours and its got a quad core i7 with a GTX460

vista can be wiped clean and windows 7 (any flavor) can be installed, dont like 7? install Ubuntu or whatever you want, im sure OSX would work on there too im pretty sure you can even go back as far as XP.

the CPU on that laptop is a T7xxx series, im sure it can be upgraded to a T9xxx series, my older Asus F9s went from a T7500 to a T8300 without a problem, the battery life increased by 30 mins from the swap because the cpu went from 65nm to 45nm

well in the end it comes down to this
Pay less for a PC and get more options
pay more for a Mac and get less options and a slower machine
pay more for a PC than a mac and you get the fastest laptop known to man kind (see signature)
 
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DEATH. Trust me. As one who's been fighting this battle with every weapon in the arsenal for more than three years, the man has to die before the Apple board can start making cutting edge computers again.

Way to stay the course. "No guts, no glory."

Meanwhile, until Apple goes out of business like Amiga, I will keep enjoying my Mac laptop and desktop that work better than any HP/Dell/Compaq/VAIO/IBM I have ever owned, even with the C2D processors that supposedly makes them inferior to other computers in their price category.


If I ran Sony, I'd make Apple pay ten times the amount they would pay today. Without a blink.

Talk is cheap. Let me help you out by providing a link to Sony's employment opportunities.

http://www.sony.com/SCA/jobs.shtml

Why don't you start there and then you can work your way to the top and make Apple pay "ten times the amount." You might get a discount on a nice VAIO laptop with BD player too. :D
 
Why don't you start there and then you can work your way to the top and make Apple pay "ten times the amount." You might get a discount on a nice VAIO laptop with BD player too. :D

hey man vaios have some of the highest resolution screens out there

1600x720 on an 8" screen is damn impressive not to mention their 13" 1080p screen

even their cell phones have awesome resolution >> Sony Xperia X1 3.0" screen with 800x480 resolution
 
Your infatuation with both BD and SJ reaches some truly disturbing depths. :)



Uh-huh...and that'll be the night you'll hit the ceiling, won't it? :)




Maybe.

Meanwhile, you've provided no compelling reasons for those of us who don't care that we should do so. [quite the opposite in fact... given your communications style, i almost hope BD never comes.]

Disturbing depths? I've spent more than 20 times as much on Apple as you have, so when that day comes YOU switch brands.

Oh cool. How have you been fighting?

Check post history.

:apple:
 
Disturbing depths? I've spent more than 20 times as much on Apple as you have, so when that day comes YOU switch brands.

"And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
...I'll see you on the dark side of the moon."
 
Lol, that's what I suspected. Unfortunately posting here won't change Steve's mind.

Absolutely. If public shame won't do it, nothing will.

But I'm not stopping.

I might even dance on his grave.

:apple:
 
Forgive my ignorance here, but since Macs can already play DVDs and CDs, why the heck is Steve so anti blu ray? Why develop stunning displays and 27inch iMacs if you never plan on utilizing a format that can really showcase that? Is it something he has against Sony? I really don't understand it. It makes no sense from a business standpoint or a customer loyalty one?
 
Absolutely. If public shame won't do it, nothing will.

But I'm not stopping.

I might even dance on his grave.

:apple:

Pee on it too ;)

I don't wish death on anybody though but I will say with the right decision maker at the helm Apple could make 10x as much possibly. They have the strongest brand name by far in the PC industry. Be nice if they had the Sony choice in multiple laptop lines and also have more than 1 phone version.

Stop making Apple's (notice its Apple's and not Apple) devices, they belong to us when we buy them not some hippie like dude that did way too much acid in his day. He is mad over -rated. I like OSX a lot but good christ I wish people turned their noses at those bastards and forced them to up the specs and add ports etc...

F it though, I'll stick with entry level Mac stuff and just custom build possibly a Windows machine for choice.
 
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Forgive my ignorance here, but since Macs can already play DVDs and CDs, why the heck is Steve so anti blu ray? Why develop stunning displays and 27inch iMacs if you never plan on utilizing a format that can really showcase that? Is it something he has against Sony? I really don't understand it. It makes no sense from a business standpoint or a customer loyalty one?
You kind of crystallized the big question: why is it good to have dvd in mac, but bad to have bd?
So far the conspiracy theory in favor for iTunes sounds much more logical than the problem on how bd as an option could rise the cost of mac something around 1% - 3% depending on a model - and of course only if you choose to use that option.
 
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