I actually prefer downloadable content instead of dvd cd or bluray. I got all my content backed up on a external harddrive and it just takes up a little space on my desk right under my iMac screen so it isnt disturbing anything. If i would have the same amount of content in hardware i would have to buy allot of stuff to put it in or on
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Movie downloads, yeah, whatever. People are still going to buy their favourite DVDs. I have a house full of MP3 players that start with the letter i but I still buy CDs.
And new Macs still support Apple's version of Blue-ray called.. somebody... anybody?
So it's the license.
PS: whoever called Mr Jobs stupid... I'd like to be that stupid... I mean as stupid as Steve, obviously not as stupid as the person who called him stupid.
Movie downloads, yeah, whatever. People are still going to buy their favourite DVDs. I have a house full of MP3 players that start with the letter i but I still buy CDs.
And new Macs still support Apple's version of Blue-ray called.. somebody... anybody?
So it's the license.
PS: whoever called Mr Jobs stupid... I'd like to be that stupid... I mean as stupid as Steve, obviously not as stupid as the person who called him stupid.
I just joined Netflix, and yeah, streaming on demand is great but they have no new movies or tv shows available that way. I have to still wait for the dvds for anything remotely new. If Netflix truly wants to be known as a streaming company, they have to start streaming new stuff as soon as they have the dvds available, too.
Surprised I missed this (unless I do have a reply in the 100+ pages of posts).
As one who has embraced Blu-ray for movies and TV shows, I also think Steve's direction of downloadable content is a smart one. Plus, the idea of ripping a movie from Blu-ray is a bit more space than what would be reasonable or logical.
Regardless of that, I think the time has passed for Apple to finally add BD support for OSX and put drives into any Mac.
For the purpose of using the discs to backup (hard drives may be cheap, but there's something to be said for making optical copies of your Final Cut and Photoshop projects) external BD drives are available for Macs for data storage and backup.
As one who has embraced Blu-ray for movies and TV shows, I also think Steve's direction of downloadable content is a smart one. Plus, the idea of ripping a movie from Blu-ray is a bit more space than what would be reasonable or logical.
Regardless of that, I think the time has passed for Apple to finally add BD support for OSX and put drives into any Mac.
For the purpose of using the discs to backup (hard drives may be cheap, but there's something to be said for making optical copies of your Final Cut and Photoshop projects) external BD drives are available for Macs for data storage and backup.
Add "legal" and "ethical" to the list of reasons not to rip a BD disc.
As many others here agree, the time is long past.
No one argues about 3rd party external solutions for data/backup. While more clumsy than internal writeable BD support, 3rd party solutions do exist.
The main arguments are:
- Apple needs to support BD viewing without external drives or conversions/extractions of questionable legality.
- Many need to create BD discs, and would like to view them on the Apple on which they are created - without clumsy external drives and random 3rd party software.
Unfortunately, it looks like Apples won't have BD support until after a high profile funeral. Bad news for Apple, and bad news for Apple users.
I'm curious. Is anyone that far gone to the "stealing" propaganda that they feel *guilty* when ripping a disc that they legally purchased and only watch in one place at once?
That would be putting it in your BD player in your home theatre system.
Making a second copy after breaking DMCA laws so that you can watch it on another system is wrong.
There's "legal" and "illegal" - not "legal" and "not quite so legal" and "a little bit less legal" and "rather questionably legal" and "clearly illegal". "Legal" and "illegal".
If you run Windows on your Apple computer with a 3rd party hardware drive, you can watch BD discs legally.
With Apple OSX and Apple hardware - not so much.
But there are just and unjust laws. Just because industry lobbyists were able to use money and FUD to, among other things, do an end run around 20 years of legal precedent doesn't make it right. By law, in the US, people are allowed to 'space-shift' and/or 'time-shift' media they legal acquired for personal use. The wording in the DMCA bars us from being able to exercise our legal rights on the basis of a technicality. And you are okay with that? Are you also okay with things like recording TV for personal use, ripping CDs, or copying music files from your computer to another device (such as an MP3 player) being illegal as well? Because some people attempted to make all of those things illegal as well. They only difference between those attempts and the DMCA is that the DMCA got through.
Also the law is not inherently black and white. Is it illegal to kill someone? Well, it depends. Did you shoot someone in cold blood or did you kill them in self defense? Is it illegal to run a red light? Well, it depends. Are you Joe Sixpack blowing through an intersection for the heck of it or are you an ambulance driver responding to a medical emergency?
Lethal
The problem is:
Unjust laws are usually far more vigorously enforced than the "Just" laws!
Good luck getting your point across in court.
So, YOU GO FIRST!
I'll just sit back and watch.
Steve apparently feels the same way about the insanely restrictive BD licensing. Some things are best left untouched and this is probably one of them.
Have Fun,
Don't do anything Steve wouldn't do,
Keri
True, although the Handbrake software seems to have been around quite a while without any issue. I still think the space requirement would be more of hinderance than the "illegal" DMCA issue for most. 1.2gb (DVD) vs. 18gb (BD) for a single movie. Even terabyte drives would fill up pretty quick.
Which is most likely why Blu-ray combo packs come with a digital copy (which just so happens to be wrapped in DRM).
So I would guess as long as the content owner is providing an extra copy, it makes it "legal"
What's that phrase.. It's good to be the king (or at least the owner of the content)
oh noes!! we are getting off track...
this isnt about drm or legal anything. its about steve jobs dictating how you should enjoy your computing experience. which is okay because you already gave him that permission.
this isnt about drm or legal anything. its about steve jobs dictating how you should enjoy your computing experience. which is okay because you already gave him that permission.
Blu-Ray Still Working Great on a Mac (running windows DOH! )
I still think it is funny that Steve Jobs and Apple are so silly and foolish not allow to blu-ray to work natively on a Mac using a MAC OS, because blu-rays run fine on a Mac, if you run windows in bootcamp, all but with an external USB blu-ray player. I use it all the time it is great. Silly apple, sapple ?
I still think it is funny that Steve Jobs and Apple are so silly and foolish not allow to blu-ray to work natively on a Mac using a MAC OS, because blu-rays run fine on a Mac, if you run windows in bootcamp, all but with an external USB blu-ray player. I use it all the time it is great. Silly apple, sapple ?
Amongst the emails that Steve Jobs has been responding to, he also responded to an inquiry by a MacRumors reader Siva about future of Blu-ray on the Mac. While Blu-ray has been a long requested feature for Macs, Apple has described Blu-ray licensing as bag of hurt and hasn't made any moves to incorporate the drives into their desktop Macs.
That seems unlikely to change in the near future if Steve Jobs' recent email replies are any guide. Siva emailed Jobs about being disappointed that the recently revised Mac mini didn't include a Blu-ray drive. To this, Steve Jobs replied:Siva responded that even though this may be true in the long run, he argued the medium term benefits were substantial, including high density backups and high quality video. He also argued that high-end video formats have had a much higher uptake and points out the lack of DRM was in part what made MP3 take off. Jobs' final response, however, offered little hope:
Article Link: Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
LOLOL ...I just read this, thanks for the laugh!
This may be true. I'm not sure if Steve/Apple just won't get a big enough profit because of blu-ray licensing or has bad relations w/sony or what, but ultimately it will take DVD drives costing more than blu-ray, won't it?Fact is, we NEED blu-ray drives during the transition for the next ? years it will take for the internet EVERYWHERE to be able to handle true HD (1080p) streaming!!
blu-rays run fine on a Mac, if you run windows in bootcamp, all but with an external USB blu-ray player. I use it all the time it is great. Silly apple, sapple ?
hmmm...will this work w/a virtual windows? or is the virtual windows limited by MacOS X's lack of blu-ray driver since it runs within Mac OS X?
I'm guessing everyone seems to have missed this, but, DMCA no longer covers breaking the encryption for personal use. You can rip as many dvds, hd-dvds, and bds as you want as long as it is personal use. Do it up.
That was one of this year's explicit exemptions from DMCA protection.
Steve says I don't need Blu-Ray. So I don't need Blu-Ray.
As pathetic as that is, I am sure that is the reason some of the most violent anti blu ray posters defend apple on this. What is even more pathetic is how if or when apple decides it's the year 2008 and adopts blu ray the same posters will scream about how innovative and ahead if the curve apple is.
Citation?
Please cite a source.
That exemption is not listed in the 2010 exemptions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Anti-circumvention_exemptions or http://fairuse.stanford.edu/blog/2010/08/the-2010-dvd-exemption-to-the.html or http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/07/26 .
Please cite a source.
That exemption is not listed in the 2010 exemptions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Anti-circumvention_exemptions or http://fairuse.stanford.edu/blog/2010/08/the-2010-dvd-exemption-to-the.html or http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/07/26 .
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I realize that this isn't a philosophy forum
but I don't think it's unethical to rip a BD you own and use it for your own purposes (in this case watching the BD content on a laptop)Legal does not always equal Ethical
Yes, you are correct. It's not the entire movie. It allows clips to be made for critique or review purposes. And for non-commerical and documentary uses.
"violent anti blu ray posters" ?
That's precisely the sort of tripe which makes this thread a colossal waste of time.
What i've seen is people who want to know what the fuss is all about... and the replies thus far have failed to make the case, in any meaningful way. [if it was THAT important, then everyone would want BD... and Apple would have to bend. Pretty simple huh?]
"violent anti blu ray posters" ?
That's precisely the sort of tripe which makes this thread a colossal waste of time.
if you want to see tripe...
https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=22234815
You see what you want to see, however in reality their are hundreds of intelligent pro blu ray posts from many people who need blue ray for work and pleasure. Video professionals need to create and quality check blu rays for clients. Photographers want the space a blu ray offers to back up photos in the raw, tiff etc formats. I have about 50 gigs of raw photos from a recent trip. Those are the people apple should be catering to. Many people want to watch their blu rays on their mackbooks and imacs for the highest quality picture available. I could keep going but in all honesty those who are against blu ray being even as an option are incapable of understanding the reasons i listed.
You and others have completely ignored those arguments and blindly followed what ever SJ tells you without question. You have ZERO reasons and can not give a single argument as to why blu ray should not be an option that those who want it could choose to purchase. You are right though, Steve Jobs does not have to bend on blu ray since at this point macbooks and imacs are a distant third in order of importance to apple (the iphone and the ipad being a toss up as to first and second).
oh noes!! we are getting off track...
this isnt about drm or legal anything. its about steve jobs dictating how you should enjoy your computing experience. which is okay because you already gave him that permission.
More importantly, in the business sense, it's about Steve Jobs consistently and continually crapping on the vast content creator base that made Apple what it is, gave it its cutting edge cachet, and per capita put MORE money into the corporation than any fanboi with every possible piece of mobile iCrap.
But Mr. Jobs has chosen to go for quantity over quality. Every company that has gone down that road has failed eventually and inevitably.
And the moments those companies failed can be traced to the very point that they went after the lowest common denominator to the detriment of their high end high ticket business. Actually, before the iPod, almost all Apple Computers were high end and cutting edge, to the point that the only real "entry-level" macs were USED.
Now, what the company focuses on is below entry-level disposable (when they inevitably drop and break) iToys.
You can only sell slinkys and frisbees for so long, and once you're known for that and only that, GOD HELP YOU. Past momentum will only carry you so far.
But not every Apple product is based on quantity over quality. The iPad has been a very solid device. And the new MacBook Air (aside from a video issue that got resolved) has been received very well with both the press and owners.
I think the Blu-ray issue is more about not wanting to license a technology that competes with your business model. In that, there is a quantity concern, but only in the amount of digital content that gets sold.
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