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Its just a movie. Not all that life important. DVD's on my 27 inch iMac look and work great. I dont need 10 million pixels to enjoy a movie. DVDs are more than sufficient. Dont let all these BD folks make you think youre missing anything. Sure it's got better audio and video but after the movie is over you saw the same movie and heard the same soundtrack they did. Once in that "gotta have the latest and greatest " audio codec and video resolution mindset, its easy to become a snob and be critical of just about everything, even to the point you are not even watching and enjoying the movie, youre just being a critic of the a/v. Then only a few of the bd's are "worthy" and these people dont even enjoy bluray unless its part of the elite minority of movies which garner 5 out of 5 by a/v philes review sites. Let them be anal about it all and enjoy your DVD :)
 
It's just transport. Not all that life important. Carrots in my horse and cart work great. I don't need 10 million miles an hour to enjoy travelling. Horses are more than sufficient. Don't let all these car folks make you think you're missing anything. Sure it's got better speed and reliability but after the trip is over you went to the same place they did. Once in that "gotta have the latest and greatest" transport mindset, it's easy to become a snob and be critical of just about everything, even to the point where you are not riding a horse anymore. Then only after a few of the cars are "worthy" and these people don't even enjoy driving cars unless it's part of the elite minority of cars which garner 5 out of 5 by autophiles review sites. Let them be anal about it and enjoy your horse! :)
 
well a lot of non-computer obsessed people who have computers still like the option to have a drive in the computer for installation purposes. The majority public opinion and usage habits are not to be measured on geek blogs is obvious. There are still many games which require and are only available via physical disc. Many will not allow a disc image to substitute.

The argument here is having a drive for software and movie purposes is still on demand and wanted by the majority. Wanting a bd drive is still a minority as well and not crucial to the needs or wants of most computer users. The absence of a bd drive will not impeed many of the desired functions the majority use that the absence of a dvd drive will.
 
It's just transport. Not all that life important. Carrots in my horse and cart work great. I don't need 10 million miles an hour to enjoy travelling. Horses are more than sufficient. Don't let all these car folks make you think you're missing anything. Sure it's got better speed and reliability but after the trip is over you went to the same place they did. Once in that "gotta have the latest and greatest" transport mindset, it's easy to become a snob and be critical of just about everything, even to the point where you are not riding a horse anymore. Then only after a few of the cars are "worthy" and these people don't even enjoy driving cars unless it's part of the elite minority of cars which garner 5 out of 5 by autophiles review sites. Let them be anal about it and enjoy your horse! :)

Lol
these bd whiners talk as though their high end macs with "only" a dvd drive is a horse. thanks for making my point lol
 
Its just a movie. Not all that life important. DVD's on my 27 inch iMac look and work great. I dont need 10 million pixels to enjoy a movie. DVDs are more than sufficient. Dont let all these BD folks make you think youre missing anything. Sure it's got better audio and video but after the movie is over you saw the same movie and heard the same soundtrack they did. Once in that "gotta have the latest and greatest " audio codec and video resolution mindset, its easy to become a snob and be critical of just about everything, even to the point you are not even watching and enjoying the movie, youre just being a critic of the a/v. Then only a few of the bd's are "worthy" and these people dont even enjoy bluray unless its part of the elite minority of movies which garner 5 out of 5 by a/v philes review sites. Let them be anal about it all and enjoy your DVD :)

same content but not the same experience. that is the whole purpose of the home THEATER. they want to get as close to the theater as possible inside their home. and if you believe the theater and sitting at home offers the same movie experience then there really are no words for you. thats to anyone.
 
Lol
these bd whiners talk as though their high end macs with "only" a dvd drive is a horse. thanks for making my point lol

Good it's adequate for you. You're known as the "lowest common denominator". Some people require BD for their work, while others, like me, would prefer that Macs stayed up to date with technology. Getting Blu-Ray now while it's 7 years old is utterly piss-poor, but it's better than waiting even longer.
 
same content but not the same experience. that is the whole purpose of the home THEATER. they want to get as close to the theater as possible inside their home. and if you believe the theater and sitting at home offers the same movie experience then there really are no words for you. thats to anyone.
exactly. but watching a movie on your computer screen with crappy speakers whether on a bluray or dvd is minor at best. I am not discussing a 50 inch plasma hometheatre with DTS or uncompressed audio codecs on a 7.1 surround system (which I have) is a hell of a lot different than whining about the great losses one "experiences" on a small computer screen. If you have the ability to hook up your computer to a projector or plasma, why not just get a $100 sony bdplayer, surround speakers,etc and enjoy bd the way it was meant to, nto on a 27 inch or smaller computer with crap speakers. On this confined computer format your experience loss between a bd and dvd is so minimal the whining is pathetic. Nobody here is saying there is no difference between a hometheatre, movie theater etc lol
 
Good it's adequate for you. You're known as the "lowest common denominator". Some people require BD for their work, while others, like me, would prefer that Macs stayed up to date with technology. Getting Blu-Ray now while it's 7 years old is utterly piss-poor, but it's better than waiting even longer.

Please for the last several years the only innovation Apple has is ios, and the more recent airs. Yes I still prefer Mac OS but win 7 is stable enough and separate from all previous MS BS its moot point now. But if your buying a mac for cutting edge components and user choice and options Cupertino as great as it is is not that place. If you can afford the high end mac and want all the latest component parts buy a nice signature vaio with a quad core, ssd with TRIM, and bluray drive for same price. If it breaks who cares buy another every two years and continue to ride the wave of the latest and greatest. My friend has the latest vaio and it is awesome. But I dont come to apple for that. For others to expect Apple having the latest processors and gpu's etc is crazy and the macs we have now would jump to much higher price points than they already are. But I assume we buy macs for other reasons than wanting the latest and greatest.
 
Its just a movie. Not all that life important. DVD's on my 27 inch iMac look and work great. I dont need 10 million pixels to enjoy a movie. DVDs are more than sufficient. Dont let all these BD folks make you think youre missing anything. Sure it's got better audio and video but after the movie is over you saw the same movie and heard the same soundtrack they did.

It's just a movie. Not all that life important. Videotapes on my 27-inch analog TV look and work great. I don't need 345,600 pixels to enjoy a movie. Videotapes are more than sufficient. Don't let all these DVD folks make you think you're missing anything. Sure, it's got better audio and video, but after the movie is over, you saw the same movie and heard the same soundtrack they did. :p
 
It's just a movie. Not all that life important. Videotapes on my 27-inch analog TV look and work great. I don't need 345,600 pixels to enjoy a movie. Videotapes are more than sufficient. Don't let all these DVD folks make you think you're missing anything. Sure, it's got better audio and video, but after the movie is over, you saw the same movie and heard the same soundtrack they did. :p

lol but again were talking in context about the differences between dvd and bd on a small monitor. lol
 
lol but again were talking in context about the differences between dvd and bd on a small monitor. lol

I have a 23" monitor and if I watch a DVD vs. Blu-ray version of the same movie... It's easy to notice the difference.

27" isn't a "small monitor," maybe a small TV, but even then I'd want the best quality I can get.

Why settle for less on a premium priced product?
 
I have a 23" monitor and if I watch a DVD vs. Blu-ray version of the same movie... It's easy to notice the difference.

27" isn't a "small monitor," maybe a small TV, but even then I'd want the best quality I can get.

Why settle for less on a premium priced product?

I agree there is a difference but not that much on my27 imac. I have 720p stuff from itunes and it is a bit better. Its gigantic on my 50 inch tv though. Watching sd on it is gross. But I knew thats what I was getting into in buying a hdtv. I also knew when getting into Apple they would always be one or two steps behind when it comes to components and options.. For apple to get i5 and i7 a year after pcs in this rapidly advancing day is ridiculous, same with bd, same with their pathetic gpu's. USB 3.0 is so much faster than 2.0 but hey the emporer has no clothes in Jobs land But I bought apple for the OS(although now I see its goin to become more ios like in which case I will jump ship)I bought them for the engineering, build and quality,NOT with the hopes they would be on the cutting edge of processors,components,etc (other than the ssd in the airs which is great-but without trim it will show itself a joke in a years time) So wanting bd and the latest and greatest, and expecting the egocentric, visionary of jobs to change his mind is a losing battle.
 
Those are poor folks who can not afford Apple ;)

I saw bluray players, good ones by sony and samsung under 100 bucks all this weekend. There are now a ton of 1080p tvs up to 50 inches for under 999 bucks. Get a surround bd player combo for 200-300 and its more affordable but apple will either wait until the tech is already on its way out or out completely(and then make it like they invented it) to include it on mbp and imacs and raise the price by one hundred a unit at least, or add it now and add at least a few hundred(at least twice what pc's charge thats for sure). But then were talking near 2k for a base mbp w/bdp or an imac for near 1500. So for the regular jo on the street who wants to adopt an affordable hdtv and bluray from walmart is more acceptable and mainstream than 2k for a rig with dated gpus, processors, and optical drives. That makes less sense to the mainstream consumer. I was just at costco yesterday and saw an asus and sony laptop with a 2.53 core i5, 500gb 7200 rpm and bluray writable drive for 800 and 900 bucks.
So if we see jobs loves to overcharge for dated components and mock popular cutting edge tech than dont be surprised if blurays never make it to apple. Funny article about how apple was a pain in the ass to the people behind the kinect because jobs wanted so much control, so now MS has it and its a raving success, same with bluray,usb3.0, etc,etc,etc Why are we suprised Who needs a real quad core because the only important thing seems is does it look cool and have a good battery life. Now back to my 320m and core 2 duo
 
Affordable 150" Plasma telescreens a decade away

It's just transport. Not all that life important. Carrots in my horse and cart work great. I don't need 10 million miles an hour to enjoy travelling. Horses are more than sufficient. Don't let all these car folks make you think you're missing anything. Sure it's got better speed and reliability but after the trip is over you went to the same place they did. Once in that "gotta have the latest and greatest" transport mindset, it's easy to become a snob and be critical of just about everything, even to the point where you are not riding a horse anymore. Then only after a few of the cars are "worthy" and these people don't even enjoy driving cars unless it's part of the elite minority of cars which garner 5 out of 5 by autophiles review sites. Let them be anal about it and enjoy your horse! :)

Brilliant and dead on! Thanks for the laugh, need one in this thread.

Good it's adequate for you. You're known as the "lowest common denominator". Some people require BD for their work, while others, like me, would prefer that Macs stayed up to date with technology. Getting Blu-Ray now while it's 7 years old is utterly piss-poor, but it's better than waiting even longer.

Some would say "below LCD". Shouldn't people like that be busy "editing" movies on their iPad? Can't WAIT for the new FCP... look! Runs on an iPad! You just point to scenes and move them around where you want them... and it only works up to 720p since in Mr. Jobs downloadable world no resolution exists above that... who needs 1080p? :rolleyes:

exactly. but watching a movie on your computer screen with crappy speakers whether on a bluray or dvd is minor at best. I am not discussing a 50 inch plasma hometheatre with DTS or uncompressed audio codecs on a 7.1 surround system (which I have) is a hell of a lot different than whining about the great losses one "experiences" on a small computer screen. If you have the ability to hook up your computer to a projector or plasma, why not just get a $100 sony bdplayer, surround speakers,etc and enjoy bd the way it was meant to, nto on a 27 inch or smaller computer with crap speakers. On this confined computer format your experience loss between a bd and dvd is so minimal the whining is pathetic. Nobody here is saying there is no difference between a hometheatre, movie theater etc lol

Some of us have 30" screens. Some of us are running their macs into even larger screens via HDMI adaptors.

The local Walmart just added two aisles for Blu-ray movies. There were more people shopping Blu-Ray than regular DVD:eek:

Try Fry's... they add an aisle every month!

Those are poor folks who can not afford Apple ;)

Yes, Wal-mart "poor folks" who can't afford Apple's suicidally stupid refusal to deal with 5-7 year old "latest" technology and yet, can afford to have the best in their homes somehow.

Meanwhile, I was just researching the largest plasma TV's available (150"), and we're a mere decade away from AFFORDABLE wall to wall telescreens with four AND MORE times the resolution of 1080p.

And to Steve Jobs' and minions' eternal chagrin, it will be optical discs, Blu-ray AND ITS DESCENDANTS that will be THE delivery method for watching movies on these screens. And more importantly, businesses delivering BUSINESS PROMOTIONAL CONTENT EN MASSE.

Downloadable infrastructure will be hard pressed to EVER come up to physical delivery standards in a Depression.

iBrats who grew up in Job's "mobile" world just don't get the reality of HOMES and OFFICES, and probably won't until they hit their 30's and reality sets in.

That's always the problem with futurists. They consistently overshoot and shoot themselves in the foot. Anyone who, in 1961 watching "The Jetsons", would tell you you were crazy if you didn't think EVERYONE would be flying around in aircars by 1990.

Wrong. And Blu-ray/optical naysayers are even more wrong. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

But most people have to hit their 50's to realize this, and some people with mental illness, like Jobs, never do no matter how old they get. They usually end up homeless on the street chattering to themselves, but some, like Jobs, are protected by success and keepers.

:apple:

P.S. Wait until the Depression really sets in and NO ONE DARES to take a laptop or any other electronic gear out of the house for fear of theft at gunpoint and having their latest mac showpiece pried out of their cold dead hands. Poof! There goes your iMobile world.

Reality. It's a b----.
 
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DVD's on my 27 inch iMac look and work great. I dont need 10 million pixels to enjoy a movie.

Nor do I. But the whole point is that I shouldn't have to buy a Blu-Ray for my 52-inch plasma AND a DVD for my laptop or tower. Not everything comes with a digital copy.
 
I, personally, do not care for Bluray as i´ve never watched a Movie in that format in my entire life. Yeah, you might think that ain´t possible, but it actually is. I don´t even have a TV in my apartment, fact. I get my media and news information from the internet or the old fashioned newspapers. The reason for my lack of interest is that i just don´t care all that much about all those new and hip hollywood flicks. No trolling here, just stating a fact.

Sure, a BD Drive would be nice for backup purposes, but i use my external harddrives for that. I do understand that some of you guys want Apple to adopt Bluray, but there are other laptop alternatives for that (Think Sony Vaio). Apple, and i´m pretty sure about that, won´t change their opinion about this matter.

I´m not out to offend anyone, just stating my opinion, thats all.
 
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Its just a movie. Not all that life important. DVD's on my 27 inch iMac look and work great. I dont need 10 million pixels to enjoy a movie. DVDs are more than sufficient. Dont let all these BD folks make you think youre missing anything. Sure it's got better audio and video but after the movie is over you saw the same movie and heard the same soundtrack they did. Once in that "gotta have the latest and greatest " audio codec and video resolution mindset, its easy to become a snob and be critical of just about everything, even to the point you are not even watching and enjoying the movie, youre just being a critic of the a/v. Then only a few of the bd's are "worthy" and these people dont even enjoy bluray unless its part of the elite minority of movies which garner 5 out of 5 by a/v philes review sites. Let them be anal about it all and enjoy your DVD :)

Spoken like someone who hasn't watched a Blu-Ray and who doesn't have a home theater with a big screen HDTV.

One could make your same criticisms about watching a movie on VHS, so bust out your tape player, after all you're still seeing the same movie right?

FWIW I rent at least one movie a week (on Blu-Ray) and I only buy new movies on Blu-Ray at this point. If a movie is really really important (e.g. Back to the Future) I will upgrade the DVD to Blu-Ray. The movie experience is much superior on Blu-Ray.

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these bd whiners talk as though their high end macs with "only" a dvd drive is a horse. thanks for making my point lol

Macs used to be the premiere multimedia computers, the choice of content creators and consumers. Not anymore! Macs are stuck with primitive SD movie playback from 1996.

exactly. but watching a movie on your computer screen with crappy speakers whether on a bluray or dvd is minor at best. I am not discussing a 50 inch plasma hometheatre with DTS or uncompressed audio codecs on a 7.1 surround system (which I have) is a hell of a lot different than whining about the great losses one "experiences" on a small computer screen. If you have the ability to hook up your computer to a projector or plasma, why not just get a $100 sony bdplayer, surround speakers,etc and enjoy bd the way it was meant to, nto on a 27 inch or smaller computer with crap speakers. On this confined computer format your experience loss between a bd and dvd is so minimal the whining is pathetic. Nobody here is saying there is no difference between a hometheatre, movie theater etc lol

Look up "Home Theater PC (HTPC)". People use computers to drive their home theater experience.

They're just plain more versatile than stand-alone Blu-Ray players. For Blu-Ray playback alone, you can rip BDs to the hard disk, you can do fancy post-processing (see CyberLink's technologies like TrueLighting), you can bypass region coding to watch foreign discs. And that's just for Blu-Ray, I didn't mention the 10 billion other things a computer can do, and in today's world of content coming from all over the place, from iTunes, from the web, from audiophile places like HDTracks.com, nothing can touch the PC's versatility.

And quite frankly, even on my Mac desktop, I have a 30" Cinema display which is 2560x1600, why on Earth would I want to watch a 720x480 DVD on that gorgeous screen? You are BLIND if you can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray on this screen.

Those are poor folks who can not afford Apple ;)

They sell iPods and iPads there.
 
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I agree there is a difference but not that much on my27 imac. I have 720p stuff from itunes and it is a bit better. Its gigantic on my 50 inch tv though. Watching sd on it is gross. But I knew thats what I was getting into in buying a hdtv.
Maybe I should make a standard post about the need for resolution, does it have anything to do with screen size and visual acuity and post that to every second page of this thread. Please learn even the basics! There's nothing wrong with educating yourself!
If small screens don't benefit from high resolution why they came up with Retina Display?
I also knew when getting into Apple they would always be one or two steps behind when it comes to components and options.. For apple to get i5 and i7 a year after pcs in this rapidly advancing day is ridiculous, same with bd, same with their pathetic gpu's. USB 3.0 is so much faster than 2.0 but hey the emporer has no clothes in Jobs land But I bought apple for the OS(although now I see its goin to become more ios like in which case I will jump ship)I bought them for the engineering, build and quality,NOT with the hopes they would be on the cutting edge of processors,components,etc (other than the ssd in the airs which is great-but without trim it will show itself a joke in a years time) So wanting bd and the latest and greatest, and expecting the egocentric, visionary of jobs to change his mind is a losing battle.
When Apple was small and poor, you could quite easily justify that they had to choose between technical features and OS usability.
But why they should still do that?
They (and us mac users) could have best of both worlds.
Feels like 5 years ago StevO and JohnnY had a bit too much to drink and made a bet that because macs will not be so important to Apple in the future, let's try and see hong long they will succeed if there is no new technologies inroduced to them ever in the future.

For example eSATAp. How is fw800 better for hdd's? eSATA is faster and it could deliver SMART data so the users would know better when their hard disks are failing. LaCie would loose money, but end users could have much wider and cheaper variety of external hdd's & enclosures. After all SATA is the native connection od hdd's, so the most elegant way to connect external hdd would of course be eSATA.

I recently wasted way too much of my working time trying to find eSata expresscard to my MBP that could deliver SMART data and have a boot ability.
No avail.
Reason: Apple has diminished the use of expresscard so small, that no 3rd party cares to write good drivers to their eSATA cards.
Solution: buy fw800 hdd's that are more expensive, slower and you can't monitor the SMART data.

Same goes for usb3.
 
Core i3, 4 GiB, 320 GB, 15.6" HD display, BD - and $20 cheaper than an Ipad

A couple of data points from the current week's sale at Fry's (not Black Friday sale, but all week).

The laptop looks to be an NV59C, the desktop a DX4831 (note that "ATI HD5570 1GiB Graphic" is a typo, it's a 5750).

No need to reply with a string of "but it's fugly" comments - I'm not trying to argue that either of these is better than an Apple at the same price, just noting that BD is hardly a "premium" feature anymore.
 

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I'm not trying to argue that either of these is better than an Apple at the same price, just noting that BD is hardly a "premium" feature anymore.


You're absolutely right. There are those of us who like Apple gear, or for one reason or another, have to use it for work or study... but to pretend that Apple isn't behind the curve is foolishness, in my opinion. I'll also add that from my experience of buying Macs over the past 15+ years, they seem quick to remove features, but slow to implement new ones. Criticising this with Apple is always fair game in my book.

Someone once said here on MR that Apple hardware is the dongle for using OS X. There's a lot of truth to that and being happy with the status quo, criticising others for not falling in line just because you personally don't see the need for a feature, doesn't mean it's needed or useful for many others.
 
I haven't read the entire 106 page thread but I think anybody who's saying that you can't see the difference on a screen as "Small" as 24 inches isn't giving the mosaic effect enough consideration. The closer you are to the screen, the more discernible the individual pixels will be and hence allowing you to notice greater levels of detail. You can perform an experiment with this yourself by bringing your head closer to and farther from the monitor to see the phonomena yourself.

This makes it so there's a world of difference between sitting five feet away from the tv on the couch, as most AV specialists would likely assume at minimum and being within arm's reach of the screen at a keyboard. I can see all sorts of compression artifacts and fuzziness when playing anime DVDs on my current 24" 2008 iMac.

For anybody wondering just how close you need to realistically be for this to come into effect, here's a nice informative article to read on exactly how big of a screen you need to see the effects of 1080p video from any given distance.

Also I have a great preference for physical media as it gives mes me stability in the state of my content. If the future of media becomes purely digital, I have great concerns for even further DRM measures to take place, such as rental only standardization or in the case of the Cloud or other Trusted Computing measures where we don't have complete control or possession of the file at all, ongoing censorship of materials we'd already bought with no way to keep it if we object. It's bit disheartening really. Albeit I would prefer if we switched to something a bit more practical than optical disc format, similar to an SD card, since it'd be more compact and durable.
 
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P.S. Wait until the Depression really sets in and NO ONE DARES to take a laptop or any other electronic gear out of the house for fear of theft at gunpoint and having their latest mac showpiece pried out of their cold dead hands. Poof! There goes your iMobile world.

Non issue for me for two reasons.

1. I don't have BD player in my MBP so who would want it when they can grab a nice PC with BD player.

2. Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson have my back.
 
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