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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Sorry, may have misinterpreted what you meant. That, and failed at grammar by using the wrong "your".
Sorry, may have misinterpreted what you meant. That, and failed at grammar by using the wrong "your".
forums do not demand professionalism, so i dont bother putting in the effort
Well, you just did when you said this :
im not very font of the "shared neighbour" cable idea. doesnt allow reliability
Cable is as reliable as DSL. The last mile is again the easiest part to provide bandwidth for. The last mile is usually the last to be saturated.
Your DSL is shared, you're just shared past the DSLAM. BigPond oversubscribes just like anyone else, their backbone and their uplinks to the rest of the world are not the sum of all their subscriber's plan, that would be sheer lunacy (ISP links, OC-XXX links or GigE, are worth much more $$$ per mbps than what they sell you. 30 mbps cable for 50$ is dirt cheap in the interconnect world). So if you're not "fond" of "shared neighbour" as it doesn't allow "reliability", I've got news for you, you're not fond of networks in general, since sharing is the name of the game.
Like the planet's whore for hire to the highest "Dr. Evil" bidder "police" force is ever going to do or be anything different, no matter what lesser evil liar fools put in the White House.
Soon enough the US will be dead last in net infrastructure, and we'll see exactly what that does to Mr. Jobs' "visionary" plans for fostering obsolete and inferior downloads on a worshipful braindead populace.
Groooovy. Such a poetic post sounds like the perfect note upon which this thread should just pause... and wait to see exactly when your dire premonitions actually bear fruit.Like the planet's whore for hire to the highest "Dr. Evil" bidder "police" force is ever going to do or be anything different, no matter what lesser evil liar fools put in the White House.
Soon enough the US will be dead last in net infrastructure, and we'll see exactly what that does to Mr. Jobs' "visionary" plans for fostering obsolete and inferior downloads on a worshipful braindead populace.
Pigs are flying...
A friend who's a die-hard Apple fan, and one who's argued long and hard that the future is downloads, just self-gifted himself a BD player for Chanukkah.
He's already bought over 20 movies on BD, and sheepishly admits that his Itunes movies are no more "HD" than his 8-track tapes are "HiFi".
Why "pause"? Technology won't stop just because Steve Jobs wants to empty your wallet his way - just take the highway.
A friend who's a die-hard Apple fan, and one who's argued long and hard that the future is downloads, just self-gifted himself a BD player for Chanukkah.
He's already bought over 20 movies on BD, and sheepishly admits that his Itunes movies are no more "HD" than his 8-track tapes are "HiFi".
Why "pause"? Technology won't stop just because Steve Jobs wants to empty your wallet his way - just take the highway.
Well now you're singing my song. Your friend is not unusual... many, many Mac users enjoy BD (via external players) in the living room on a big screen. When DVD was new, i'd watch on my Mac because it was "cool" too. But seriously, movies scream for that large screen... kick back and munch some popcorn. [not huddled next to a 15" (or whatever).]
The more you post, the more NOTHING changes.
Well now you're singing my song. Your friend is not unusual... many, many Mac users enjoy BD (via external players) in the living room on a big screen. When DVD was new, i'd watch on my Mac because it was "cool" too. But seriously, movies scream for that large screen... kick back and munch some popcorn. [not huddled next to a 15" (or whatever).]
The more you post, the more NOTHING changes.
I watched Inception on a flight last week on my iPhone4. I thought the 720p looked amazing on a 3.5 inch screen. But I think I am starting to be brain washed by all these BD posts. I want a 1080p phone (even though I doubt it will be noticeable on a 3.5 inch screen ) with a built in BD player. It was too easy traveling through airport security without a library of BD discs. C'mon SJ, put BD players in iPhones! Maybe if I post this request 4000 times I might see BD added in iPhone6.
You would be surprised how many people love all the dead tech. I work a Best Buy and the other day some one asked if we sold vcr's which we do sadly but only the dvd combos. Then this lady was asking me if the blu ray player she was buying played dvd's. Then I have had several people who didn't know what a blu ray was. And one was my age early 20's. But to sum this up for what ever reason their are always going to be people who are not tech savy and will always want a physical media.
your news isnt really news, im well aware of how both implementations work - i was only referring to from the exchange/DSLAM - cable is moreso "shared" then DSL is.
like i said before, i do not notice slow downs at all - only those when the server i am downloading from is taking a hit or something of that sort.
and yeh, i pay what.. $90aus a month for ADSL2+ with 200GB? its an extreme premium, but i live in a regional area and cannot get any other ADSL2+ providers such as Optus/iPrumus/ iiNet etc. - so i live with it, they are pretty reliable in any case (apart from their DNS lol).
Exactly, right? Especially when everyone knows that Red Ray is the true harbinger of death for BD.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/25/red-blows-away-small-room-of-videophiles-with-4k-red-ray-footage/
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True. But the only problem that remains is both software/hardware-wise. While you can watch any Blu-Ray under Bootcamp with PowerDVD/TMT 3, you will NOT be able to play TrueHD/DTS-HD/LPCM soundtracks at their original 24-bit "fidelity", as almost all Mac's lack PAVP support (which is needed if you're going to bitstream over HDMI to an A/V Receiver). Not to mention the "bastardized" HDMI driver support of Apple. (again, with no PAVP you can only send regular DD 5.1/DTS and LPCM, which is always downsampled at 16-bit by PowerDVD anyway).
Sure you can decrypt/re-encode anything to whatever you want (there are plenty of topics on the web for this). But for one that's looking just to pop his disc, connect a few HDMI cables to get the "best" out of Blu-Ray, i'm sure he won't even consider a Mac at all.
Technically speaking, an high-end SONY Vaio laptop, or even a desktop with an ATI Radeon 5xxx GPU, is more worth than a Mac.
And most folks who are *that* concerned would probably get a dedicated piece of BD hardware (player/burner). Or are you one of those guys who want "24-bit "fidelity" in the cabin of a 757 while you're flying coast-to-coast too?
...to someone who wants a BD player. Great! [but not everyone cares]
Yes, we all know that Sony are the masters of disc technology.
No. All I was trying to say is that some people, specially those that want to stream from their computers to their A/V receivers/HDTV's, DO care about these details.
Personally i prefer FLAC/LPCM over any other thing out there, but some people get mad when they see the "magic" TrueHD/DTS-HD MSTR logo's on their receivers.
And mine was only an example. Sure Sony is not the only company that builds computers fully equipped with HDMI & Blu-Ray drives. Everyone can decide by themselves, depending on their own budget/likes.
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People have Blu-ray players, but OS X won't play their discs back. Maybe Apple need to get over it and just support the format instead of pretending it isn't successful in an increasingly desperate-looking attempt to convince the world that everyone is going to have super-fast internet speeds within the lifespan of their next computer. And possibly the one after that.
Exactly, right? Especially when everyone knows that Red Ray is the true harbinger of death for BD.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/25/red-blows-away-small-room-of-videophiles-with-4k-red-ray-footage/
"1080p+ streaming for all." (Paul Miller)
Gee who else has been saying that? Sorry folks, the writing is on the wall.
only crazy people will stream blu ray. normal people will just buy a player and connect it to their stereo and TV. in my case it's a PS3.
Perhaps we can convince all the internet geeks to switch to new abbreviated nomenclature:
SHDD: spinning hard disk drive
SSHDD: solid state hard disk drive
But probably we should just accept that HDD and SSD will work to differentiate.
You seriously need to stop using junk to compare. There's a reason the Sonys and Apples cost more, and it isn't only the cpu speed or brand name.
40Mb gets turned on Monday to upgrade from the 16-20Mb. I'll let y'all know how it goes, I'll have both for at least a few days.i really messed that up didnt i! trying to multitask
im on 20mbit, which turns out to be about 2.2MB/s real world.
its unfortunate that you are on 1.7mb/s
BTW, your 20Mb is probably actually 16Mb if you are talking Comcast, with a burst speed of 20Mb for small files. (marketed as "up to 20Mbps") That's why you are seeing 2.2MB or so (instead of 2.5MB), that is more realistic for large downloads. At least, that's my situation, I tend to see large downloads from good sources solid at 2.1-2.2MBps. Course, when I run speedtest.net, I can get up to 60Mb when my DOCSIS 3 modem is bonded.
As you seem to know, the DSL sharing is related to whole cities. Perhaps 50000 customers is accurate. The cable sharing is related to neighborhoods, more along the lines of 200 customers. Big difference as to when the network begins slowing you down due to congestion. That is not just marketing.
Stop it. This is a serious thread!!
Ah, I'm post 4K. I change my mind: BD is dead, bring on 4K!!!
It is just marketing. The last mile has much more bandwidth than whatever is hooking up that last mile to the backbone of your ISP, trust me, I've done the ISP gig earlier in my life. Your DSL is as shared as the cable hook-up, because the bottleneck isn't the last mile at all, not even close.
The DSL proponents always fail to talk about bottlenecks and their significance, because it actually hurts their position and shows that cable is as viable a medium as DSL and in fact, provides much more bandwidth out of the box because the technology is one that has provided tons of bandwidth for years (our network around here is around 1000 mhz wide, 6 mhz per channel encoded as 256 QAM. DOCSIS doesn't even limit the number of channels you can use these days, with version 3.0. Upstream also just gained the ability to encode the channels with 128 QAM, and the upstream channels are much narrower in their subscriber base (6 upstream port per downstream port on Cisco cards last I checked)).
Perhaps we can convince all the internet geeks to switch to new abbreviated nomenclature:
SHDD: spinning hard disk drive
SSHDD: solid state hard disk drive
But probably we should just accept that HDD and SSD will work to differentiate.
You seriously need to stop using junk to compare. There's a reason the Sonys and Apples cost more, and it isn't only the cpu speed or brand name.
40Mb gets turned on Monday to upgrade from the 16-20Mb. I'll let y'all know how it goes, I'll have both for at least a few days.
BTW, your 20Mb is probably actually 16Mb if you are talking Comcast, with a burst speed of 20Mb for small files. (marketed as "up to 20Mbps") That's why you are seeing 2.2MB or so (instead of 2.5MB), that is more realistic for large downloads. At least, that's my situation, I tend to see large downloads from good sources solid at 2.1-2.2MBps. Course, when I run speedtest.net, I can get up to 60Mb when my DOCSIS 3 modem is bonded.
As you seem to know, the DSL sharing is related to whole cities. Perhaps 50000 customers is accurate. The cable sharing is related to neighborhoods, more along the lines of 200 customers. Big difference as to when the network begins slowing you down due to congestion. That is not just marketing.
Stop it. This is a serious thread!!
Ah, I'm post 4K. I change my mind: BD is dead, bring on 4K!!!
unless your ISP has peering agreements with content providers like comcast and Level 3 all the traffic is going through the same internet pipe
Yes, many of the people posting here already have a BD player for their big screen systems.
Which is exactly why many of them would like full BD support in Apple OSX - so that they can simply slip one of their BD movies into their Apple laptop or Imac (without having to transcode it into a Jobs-approved format).
I haven't seen "those guys" around here. Just some people who want the convenience of playing their existing disks without legally questionable transcoding - and who want a quality 2 Mpixel image downscaled to their laptop rather than a 307 Kpixel image upscaled.
I don't understand the point of arguing against having Apple provide the *option* of a BD player to those who do care.
"I don't need BD" is one thing, "Apple shouldn't support BD" is another.
And some people would love to have a Mini Mac with builtin BD player as the core of their HTPC system.
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Let's recap....
Reasons in favor of Apple supporting full BD playback and authoring
- People who want to watch their BD movies on their computer (laptop while traveling, on the Imac in the bedroom, ...)
- Professional and amateur videographers who want to make and play BDs of their footage - at the studio, home, or on the road
- People who want to use BD-R for backups or data transfer (can be done with an external drive today, but not many people want to carry an additional box around)
- People who want to connect a big screen to their computer (e.g. the Mini Mac HTPC)
- For the vast majority of people, the broadband connections cannot support BD-quality downloads
- There are few (if any) legal ways to download BD-quality movies, even if the connections would support it
- Jobs called BD "a bag of hurt"
Please feel free to extend the lists of pro and con arguments.
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