Haven't you heard how incredibly difficult this is to do, many of the rabid anti blu ray posters have told us this. First you have to stand up from the couch, second you need to walk over to your blu ray discs, third you need to power the player on, fourth you need to open the box and take out the disc, fifth you need to insert the disc into the player and hit play. All that hard laborious work for what, just to watch the highest quality picture and sound available. No thanks, i would rather collect bed sores and watch a lower quality product than go through all that hard work.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Haven't you heard how incredibly difficult this is to do, many of the rabid anti blu ray posters have told us this. First you have to stand up from the couch, second you need to walk over to your blu ray discs, third you need to power the player on, fourth you need to open the box and take out the disc, fifth you need to insert the disc into the player and hit play. All that hard laborious work for what, just to watch the highest quality picture and sound available. No thanks, i would rather collect bed sores and watch a lower quality product than go through all that hard work.
These are probably the same people you see at the gym. No, not those pumped guys full of powder. No, not that guy running his 7th KM on the threadmill without breaking a sweat. No, not that girl with the tight fitting clothes that everyone is gawking at.
You know who I'm refering to if you've ever been to a gym for a long time. That fat guy in the corner, barely walking at 1 mile per hour on a 0% incline, the same fat guy you've been seeing for the last 6 months, still as fat as day 1, still walking at his same pace, still sweating like a pig.
When getting up for 2 minutes becomes so much effort that you will do with a lesser product, there's something seriously wrong with your physical condition.
Groooovy. Such a poetic post sounds like the perfect note upon which this thread should just pause... and wait to see exactly when your dire premonitions actually bear fruit.
Why wait, Steve-o?
The blind NEVER see, no matter HOW long they wait.
Well, I've not had obvious bottlenecks on either. So far I've had 1.5 DSL and 16-20 cable, which both generally ran at top speed all the time. I did only ever get 1.2Mb reality with the DSL, but it was constant and solid. And solid 16Mb with cable. (assuming solid performance on the other side, of course, say an Adobe.com download) So, it doesn't matter at my house right now. But I've seen plenty of user reports that say it does matter for some. I've also not quite broken 150GB in monthly downloads, so I'm well under their 250GB cap.
You want to talk marketing? You better include price in the discussion. I need internet-only, so let's look at raw prices with no discounts (no bundling, no intro offer), that's the real price:
Qwest DSL: 40Mb: $70 ($50 with 2 year contract)
Comcast cable: 50Mb: $140 (I think)
Comcast cable: 16Mb: $85 IIRC, I probably have it in an email somewhere
I can't actually find the real speed of Comcast's Extreme 50 offering. 50Mb is the burst speed, I'm assuming 40-45 is the normal speed. And I can't find the actual cost, $99.95 is the intro offer, IF you bundle services. $140 I found in a news report, I'm not sure exactly if that means un-bundled or what cities that relates to. That's not even a good price compared to their own slower offerings, which are $20-30 intro pricing. 3-5 times the intro price for 2.5 times the speed? Marketing fail.
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don't forget the agony of navigating the menu of the disc to the play option
But look how easy it is to take a movie round to a friends house now we've dispensed with physical media.
But look how easy it is to take a movie round to a friends house now we've dispensed with physical media.
the only people i know without dvd players are the old immigrants who only watch the foreign channels on cable
how many people have an apple tv?
LOL, wow... If you knew anything about Red you'd understand why MacNewsFix smacked a big ol' smily face next to the link.
But on the other hand I mean, all Red has to do is actually make the product and bring it to market at an affordable price, make sure people have 4k TVs, make sure all the distributors licenses the codec from them, make sure that people only shoot in 4k, and make sure that all the studios go back (again) and remaster everything in 4k. Oh, and there's still that problem of the ISP being a choke point but besides that this is just around the corner...
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No, let's not. No one will be arguing the same thing as far as pricing/bandwidth/caps go. We're all from very different countries with very different price offerings. I was simply debunking the myth of "Shared Neighborhood" for our friend here, something which applies globally. ISPs oversell their bandwidth, that's just a fact of life and the name of the game. The last mile bottleneck of cable vs DSL is a DSL marketing bullet point.
But look how easy it is to take a movie round to a friends house now we've dispensed with physical media.
Need better friends. Should only have to type in account info to friend's system, not bring hardware.
- "It's not worth the hassle."
One of my favourites. I think my grandparents have used that as an excuse to remain ignorant of technology too.
But "SSD" is a subset of "HDD", not a distinct category.
For example, to find SSD at Newegg the path is "Home > Computer Hardware > Hard Drives > SSD":
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I just sold my imac and mbp and went back to windows. Win 7 is awesome. Oh, and my 899 PC has 500gb hdd 7200rpm, 2.53 i5, 1 gb gpu that blows my old apple comps out of the water, and a nice bluray player built in. I still have 700 cash left over from the guy who bought my, what was my, mbp/ Yeah!! Nothing personal but the MAC OS X is great but not that much better than the new windows 7. I got on the hype train and went all apple. Now I do appreciate the ios on the ipad and ipod touch but that is about it. I actually prefer the windows better. Oh I forgot to mention usb 3.0 and hdmi port so connecting to plasma is a breeze. All under 1k with tax.
You know, I think there's a point when one has to admit to stop trying.
Subset it is.
A likely story...
Sep 8, 2010, 12:12 AM
Not if they have a dedicated player hooked up to a large HD screen, and high fidelity sound system, they aren't.
Oct 7, 2010, 08:47 AM
... just pop down the <Search this Thread> menu at the top of this page, enter 'plane' in the text field, and then more posts you "haven't seen" will be revealed. Betcha didn't know computers were good for doing searches and stuff other than watching BD movies (or is it B&D movies perhaps that have proved so distracting as to forget one's own words?).
So? Aiden didn't contradict himself. It was about being able to legally play the BDs that you already own, without having to rebuy them on iTunes (if available), or resort to piracy.
Bzzz. It's not.
Hard Disk Drive. There's no spinning disk in an SSD. I spose you could call them "Hard Drives" (like Newegg does), but they're definitely NOT "Hard _Disk_ Drives".
Oh, nice bluff.
[so you do concede then that "BD vs. DVD" on a plane is a frivolous argument? Is that why Apple *must* succumb? Sorry: you fail.]
BTW, using the word "fail" to get the upper hand (when you don't actually have the cards) is . . . pitiful.
Those posts are from Sept. and Oct. in response to folks saying just buy a separate player. There's no reference to "iTunes" or "piracy" in the two places where he mentions "plane".
Fail.
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Search for "solid state disk" - you'll get just as many hits.
Besides, one of the primary definitions of the word "drive" is "The means or apparatus for transmitting motion or power to a machine or from one machine part to another". (http://www.tfd.com/?osearch&word=drive) Even without the word "disk", the word "drive" is rooted in mechanical motion. Saying that it's a "solid state drive" instead of a "solid state disk" really doesn't change the anomalous usage.
But, since people still talk about "dialing" someone from their mobile phone, and companies have "second line" promotions for mobiles -- sometimes the meaning of a word can become completely divorced from its common usage.
I'll use "rotating media" and "solid state media" terminology to avoid ambiguity. At least until we switch over to bio-neural gel packs for persistent storage.
No, I do not concede that at all. Two main reasons:
- If I have the BD copy of the movie rather than the DVD, I can't play it on an Apple on the plane. Should I have to buy a second copy on DVD, or do a time-consuming questionably legal rip of my BD to put on my Apple?
- The 2 Mpixel BD image is much sharper than the 307 Kpixel DVD image on any laptop screen that's reasonably larger than 640x480.
You wouldn't buy a laptop with a 640x480 screen - so why would you want to watch 640x480 movies pixel-stretched to fit your screen?
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How is that Apple's problem? [sounds more like your problem.] Why should they need to cater to a few hundred "videophiles" who think portables must play BD discs?
If you had a strong case, the world would be on your side and Apple would have caved back around post #999.
Yah yah, the image is "better" -- fine. Like it really matters for a short plane trip someone takes once or twice a year (not to mention the adverse lighting and noise).
If someone is a regular global commuter who gawks at movies 6 hours per day, then they go and buy a PeeCee and be happy... not hang around a Mac-oriented website posting ad nauseam for no real (useful) purpose.
N'est-ce pas?
Absolutely, watching a movie on a laptop is suboptimal and you won't get the full benefit of the image.
However, any image is better than no image, right?
I only have a blu-ray copy of A Single Man, LOST and Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World. What if I want to watch those movies? I don't really care if I see them at their highest quality, however I do want to see them.
What is your suggestion? Buy a DVD? Go to the iTunes store? Why should I spend more money on something I have already bought? Pirate them? Yeah that opens a whole new can of worms.
Anyway, anyone arguing for the death of one media option is wrong. BD, streaming, I use both. There's a good reason to use both and one of them doesn't have to lose for the other to win. Like you said, do what works for you.
Personally I buy movies that I want to watch and re-watch on Blu-ray these days. I also try to get the combo packs (DVD+Digital Copy) when available and when it's not like 10$ over the Blu-ray price. So that affords me some flexibility in what I want to do with the movie sometimes even though some people think Blu-ray is a bag of hurt.
I also use my cable provider's VOD service for one off rentals of movies I want to see but I know I won't have a lasting interest in. No need to get out of the house and no need to return it, it's very a convenient way to replace rentals.
Your comment and I think the comments of all the people calling Steve out on his stance on BD are quite sensible. We just want a choice in how we organize our lives, we don't want somebody else to make it for us. If in the end it means leaving the Mac platform behind, so be it.
Personally I buy movies that I want to watch and re-watch on Blu-ray these days. I also try to get the combo packs (DVD+Digital Copy) when available and when it's not like 10$ over the Blu-ray price. So that affords me some flexibility in what I want to do with the movie sometimes even though some people think Blu-ray is a bag of hurt.
I also use my cable provider's VOD service for one off rentals of movies I want to see but I know I won't have a lasting interest in. No need to get out of the house and no need to return it, it's very a convenient way to replace rentals.
Your comment and I think the comments of all the people calling Steve out on his stance on BD are quite sensible. We just want a choice in how we organize our lives, we don't want somebody else to make it for us. If in the end it means leaving the Mac platform behind, so be it.
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I'm the same way. Buy the Blu-ray combo packs with the digital copy for the movies I like to watch multiple times. Blu-ray to me has never been a bag of hurt. It was the next physical media past DVD and judging from sales numbers and stock, it's doing quite well against other mediums.
I'm pretty much cable free (just the limited basic 2-13 channels) so my media is a mix of disc, streaming (Netflix and Hulu) and digital downloads.
Would be nice to have a Blu-ray option in a Mac, but as much as I think Steve knows how to innovate and evolve, there's decisions like this were personal opinions need to be shelved in place of an option your users want.
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Sitting on plane at gate. Getting ready to watch The Town on my iPhone. There really is no point to physical media. And no point to offer dead technology as an option.
Sitting on plane at gate. Getting ready to watch The Town on my iPhone. There really is no point to physical media. And no point to offer dead technology as an option.
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