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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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linux2mac said:
This thread is like people who argued cars would never replace horses.
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And I struggle to believe you care enough about image quality to have a good home theatre setup if you are content with "horse" quality video/audio.

Is it an SD projector? It would have to be. SD looks terrible on my HDTV, and even 720p HD looks god awful on a large 1080p screen.
 
iEdd said:
And I struggle to believe you care enough about image quality to have a good home theatre setup if you are content with "horse" quality video/audio.

Is it an SD projector? It would have to be. SD looks terrible on my HDTV, and even 720p HD looks god awful on a large 1080p screen.
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If I didn't care about image quality I would have bought an Epson pop up screen with carrying case instead of a Draper Onyx screen. Nice try, but no.
 
linux2mac said:
If I didn't care about image quality I would have bought an Epson pop up screen with carrying case instead of a Draper Onyx screen.
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...or you'd just run poor-quality source material.

There's only two possibilities: You either aren't interested in getting the best quality out of your setup, or you can't see (or don't know) the difference. It's either ignorance or apathy.
 
iEdd said:
...or you'd just run poor-quality source material.

There's only two possibilities: You either aren't interested in getting the best quality out of your setup, or you can't see (or don't know) the difference. It's either ignorance or apathy.
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Hey, don't make assumptions. That's how people get in trouble. Of course I am interested in the best quality image with my home theater investment. That is why I do have a BD player hooked up to it. Yes, I like watching BD movies on my set up. Do I watch BD movies all the time? No. When I am waiting for new BD's to arrive from Netflix I watch streams from Apple TV, AOD, or Netflix. The streams are far from being poor quality. Also remember, I am not the one complaining about not having options. This thread is 4000 plus posts full of complaints for why SJ or whatever you guys call him does not offer BD in Macs.
 
linux2mac said:
I never argued that people be "denied the ability to watch the best that's widely available now, and for the next few years at least." The reality is, (drum roll please) YOU ARE NOT BEING DENIED! Say it, "I AM NOT BEING DENIED!" Again, "I AM NOT BEING DENIED!" Everyone, "WE ARE NOT BEING DENIED!" I'll say it,"linux2Mac IS NOT BEING DENIED!"

Is SJ standing guard with an AK-47 ready to gun down anyone that dares to cross a bridge over a hot lava pit to a stock pile of all the BD players in the entire world ? (BTW - that's a rhetorical question. And if anyone has trouble with that word like they did "harbinger," feel free to post the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition for all to see. Thanks.)
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Yeah, but we are being denied full support for Blu-ray discs in OS X. That is what this thread is about, (at least when it doesn't veer off into other areas :) ). It's not like anyone is expecting our mac to go and walk the dog, only support a now well-established format of media on hardware that is perfectly capable of doing so, rather than attempting to shove poorer-quality media down our throats that many of us are either / both unwilling and/or unable to access anyway.
 
linux2mac said:
Can anyone guess what computer was in Amazon's list of best selling products in 2010?
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1. It's not relevant. Best selling means nothing to non-sheep. The best selling computers overall are "other" and not Macs, but I think they're pieces of crap. Why should I start caring what sells best as opposed to what works best for me?

2. So it sells well? Should Apple just stop there? Or should they continue to upgrade tech in their devices? Blu-Ray will exist for quite some time, and there will continue to be streaming and optical formats coexisting for decades to come. Blu-Ray+streaming is better than DVD+streaming.

Either do the neat and tidy thing and replace the DVD drives with BD, or take it out and replace it with a FW3200 port so that I can buy an external one. (Although it's more likely if it disappears, then NOTHING would be added - probably not even another measly USB)
 
iEdd said:
Either do the neat and tidy thing and replace the DVD drives with BD, or take it out and replace it with a FW3200 port so that I can buy an external one.
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If Apple refuses to allow OSX to support BD playback, what's the point in a faster interconnect to a clunky external drive? It will hit the check boxes on a couple of BD features, but miss the main point completely. (You know, the "it just works" fanboy chant.)

And, FW3200 isn't dead, it was never alive. It isn't even stillborn, the sperm and the egg never met. Ask for eSATA now. (and maybe in 2014, ask for a LightPeak to eSATA bridge).

More and more, people are realizing that it is Apple that is the "bag of hurt", and Blu-ray is just fine.
 
linux2mac said:
Can anyone guess what computer was in Amazon's list of best selling products in 2010? (Hint - it doesn't have a Blu Ray player).

Click on the link if you want to know the answer or don't.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1511357&highlight
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If that's the litmus test you really want to use then I guess Apple has really dropped the ball because they got shut out of the "electronics", "wireless" and "software" categories. I'm also not really sure how a Blu-ray BTO option would've negatively impacted those MBP sales but who knows...

How about a more like-on-like comparison. Since Sept. 1 Apple has sold one million of the new :apple:TVs. By comparison, 25 million Blu-ray players were projected to be sold in 2010 (this projection was made in Oct. '10). Both these numbers are for global sales (and the numbers for Blu-ray are up about 80% over '09). Just because Apple doesn't sell it doesn't mean people don't want it.


Lethal
 
LethalWolfe said:
If that's the litmus test you really want to use then I guess Apple has really dropped the ball because they got shut out of the "electronics", "wireless" and "software" categories. I'm also not really sure how a Blu-ray BTO option would've negatively impacted those MBP sales but who knows...

How about a more like-on-like comparison. Since Sept. 1 Apple has sold one million of the new :apple:TVs. By comparison, 25 million Blu-ray players were projected to be sold in 2010 (this projection was made in Oct. '10). Both these numbers are for global sales (and the numbers for Blu-ray are up about 80% over '09). Just because Apple doesn't sell it doesn't mean people don't want it.


Lethal
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That's a bit too cerebral for the BD haters to understand. ;)
 
AidenShaw said:
That's a bit too cerebral for the BD haters to understand. ;)
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Why do you insist that I am a BD hater? I have two dedicated BD players. Correction, one is a stand alone BD player and the other is a PS3. I even watch BD's, but I don't complain for 4000 plus posts why Apple doesn't ship BD's with their Macs.

My only point is why the fuss over a BD on a Mac? For me the choice is simple, have BD on a crappy OS or have a headache free computer and buy a dedicated BD player. I'll take the latter over the former any day. I no longer get any tech support issues from family and friends since I converted them to Macs. There is no way I would go back to crappy Windows over a BD player - it would probably break. I have three Dell machines I bought for my office in 2006 and two of the DVD players no longer work. Nice quality there. I am sorry I've had it with Windows and BD is no reason for me to go back.

LethalWolfe said:
If that's the litmus test you really want to use then I guess Apple has really dropped the ball because they got shut out of the "electronics", "wireless" and "software" categories. I'm also not really sure how a Blu-ray BTO option would've negatively impacted those MBP sales but who knows...

How about a more like-on-like comparison. Since Sept. 1 Apple has sold one million of the new :apple:TVs. By comparison, 25 million Blu-ray players were projected to be sold in 2010 (this projection was made in Oct. '10). Both these numbers are for global sales (and the numbers for Blu-ray are up about 80% over '09). Just because Apple doesn't sell it doesn't mean people don't want it.


Lethal
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I am glad we didn't agree to disagree. Now we can keep this thread going well beyond 8000 posts. :D
 
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AidenShaw said:
That's a bit too cerebral for the BD haters to understand. ;)
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Ah yes... the dreaded "BD haters" <cough-strawman-cough>. Those rascals are everywhere, aren't they? Quick... post some more wisdom, so that their hate may turn to love.

:cool:
 
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linux2mac said:
Its obvious after 4000 plus pages very few people still don't get it. I like to embrace new technology and not latch on to old technology.
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And equally other people don't get it. Streaming is great, but if you want the best quality, streaming isn't it. I like to embrace technology that doesn't compromise quality.
 
KnightWRX said:
Because this whole thread you've been arguing that BD is a long dead medium and that people still using it are dumb as a brick ? :rolleyes:
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I like how you put words in other people's mouths. I never once said or inferred that "people still using it are dumb as a brick."

KnightWRX said:
Why do you even have a BD player, I thought streaming was better in every way ?
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Again, here lies the problem of making assumptions. I never said "streaming was better in every way." I have only been pointing out that streaming was the future and the technology is here to offer BD quality streams - thus the "harbinger of death for BD." I am not a BD hater and not opposed to BD. I play BD's when I have them but its not a deal breaker for me.

BTW - It interesting that you are arguing for physical media yet you own a laptop without an optical drive. How is that? Is it because maybe optical drives are a dying technology and will go the way of the dodo, floppy, PS/2, and......(drum roll please) - BLU RAY?
 
linux2mac said:
Obviously you don't get it. I really wish you would stop assuming what others are saying. Seriously, get over it. This thread is like people who argued cars would never replace horses. And great job at keeping your word. :rolleyes:
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I don't think thread has ever been about digital replacing physical. It's been about having a physical for those that use physical media and it not being directly available from Apple.

I use both Blu-ray and digital downloads and hands down, Blu-ray is the better experience for now. Once 50mbps downloads are available to at least 50% of the homes nationwide for under $75 a month, then I can see physical media like Blu-ray will be previous generation.

Until then, it's co-exist.
 
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Very interesting discussion you all have going on here, I thought I would join. I think it's unfortunate that a Mac won't support a Blu-ray drive. I have a PC and I recently bought a LG 10X internal Burner for $100 and a pack of 20 Single Layer 25 GB BD-R discs for $25.00 and I couldn't be happier. My grandfather was going to buy the same burner as well but he has a Mac Pro, once he found out of the limitations he backed off from buying it. I still need more insight as to how the lack of support for Blu-ray may affect him. Does it mean his Mac Pro can't only play Blu-ray movies or does it mean he can't use an internal BD drive at all?

Considering that a Blu-ray burner can do everything a DVD burner can do and more, I don't see why Steve Jobs will oppose supporting it on a Mac except that he would prefer people to download movies in the future as oppose to buying it in a physical format since he won't benefit much from it. Why is he only including a DVD drive in his computers when there is a far better alternative available? I already have 2 Blu-ray players, a Blu-ray burner, and 104 BD movies so far and I couldn't be happier with it. Compared to other Home HD sources I've seen movies in, there is no match. While my HD Dish looks great, it doesn't compare to the quality Blu-ray delivers even on the same movies. Not to mention the special features and lossless audio the Blu-ray movies provide while other HD services don't.

Right now all HD digital deliveries are playing catch up to Blu-ray. Years from now when downloads can finally can compete with BD, I would have invested in plenty of movies on Blu-ray and would have enjoyed them for years and for years after that. I'll admit I'm not a fan of buying a movie or album digitally when I can buy the same thing for almost the same price on a physical format and I'll have more options available with my purchase and the product is offered at a much higher quality. The best option for downloads would be if a new format were to be released in the future which it could actually improve over Blu-ray, maybe with a resolution of 4k. But then we will be back at square one with the internet speeds lagging and with no mass adoption for any 3840x2160 Tv's any time soon, it seems unlikely for now.
 
linux2mac said:
BTW - It interesting that you are arguing for physical media yet you own a laptop without an optical drive. How is that? Is it because maybe optical drives are a dying technology and will go the way of the dodo, floppy, PS/2, and......(drum roll please) - BLU RAY?
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Because I personally do not have a need for an optical drive in my laptop doesn't mean I don't recognize that others might. I don't watch movies on airplanes or while traveling, I think the practice in and of itself is a waste of time. I'd rather spend my time vacationing, well, vacationing, not watching movies.

That's the thing with being pro-choice, you can argue for something while need having a need for it yourself. Thus you don't start calling for something being dead or dying when it's obviously not, something you have callously been doing this whole time, and just now decide that "Hey, I use Blu-ray too!". There's like 100 pages of you berreting the technology and saying it's dead and replaced by streaming. :rolleyes:
 
KnightWRX said:
Because I personally do not have a need for an optical drive in my laptop doesn't mean I don't recognize that others might.
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And there are many many many more who have no need for an optical drive too.

KnightWRX said:
That's the thing with being pro-choice, you can argue for something while need having a need for it yourself. Thus you don't start calling for something being dead or dying when it's obviously not, something you have callously been doing this whole time, and just now decide that "Hey, I use Blu-ray too!". There's like 100 pages of you berreting the technology and saying it's dead and replaced by streaming. :rolleyes:
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I am not even going to begin to dig into my old posts but when I joined this thread I stated very early on that I owned dedicated BD players to watch BD movies thus having no BD in Macs was a non issue for me. Once again, you are making assumptions ( which I notice you do a lot here) by stating that I just recently admitted "Hey, I use Blu-ray too!".
 
The only reason I would complain is when DVD's stop appearing and I have to plug in some jumbo drive into my computer which would only add to my thoughts that steve jobs is a communist bastard. Although burning 50GB's of data is pretty bad ass I will say....

Someone PM me when I can get a blue ray player in my MBP....
 
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