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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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According to some people's definition of the term, it's already 'dead' (i.e. continuing to thrive and not yet replaced by a widespread thread of equal length or quality).
This thread will live until Jobs implements Blu-ray into Macs throughout the OS and BD drives as at least BTO options or standard options.
Or Apple goes belly up.
Whichever comes first.
HIS call.
This thread will live until Jobs implements Blu-ray into Macs throughout the OS and BD drives as at least BTO options or standard options.
Or Apple goes belly up.
Whichever comes first.
HIS call.
Well, or until there are no more discs and everyone on the planet who buys movies today just downloads everything from iTunes. Or a giant space-monkey appears and hypnotises the world's population, and Steve Jobs controls the space monkey, that could end the thread too. But I think your options are more likely than my two, at least in the next decade or so.
Anyway, happy new year Blu-ray thread! Let's hope 2011 brings official BD playback to OS X. And better prices and quality for those folk who both want to use iTunes for their movies and can do so.
He's not exactly a hero of mine, but I believe George W Bush once said: "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully". So it is, brothers and and sisters, that Blu-ray and iTunes downloads can coexist peacefully too.
So won't you think of the fish Mr. Jobs, won't you please just think of the fish?
My last VAIO was from CompUSA. I had two VAIO's before switching to Mac. My VAIO ran best when I put Linux on it - Windows was a major failure on it. I'll still take an MBP any day over the fastest VAIO. Actually I'll take an MBA next. I really have no idea why people continue to attempt to impress by showing how much faster equivalent price point PC' are compared to Macs. So they are fast junk is what people are trying to point out? I am not attempting to map the human genome here. I just want a reliable OS and if I need BD, well thats' why I have dedicated BD players.
Nope...and never will...so to paraphrase about 4,000 posts:
If you need Blu-Ray as a reliable archiving format, get an external burner and Toast and quit your whining.
If you want Blu-Ray for media consumption - grow up and learn that Macs are not meant for high-end media consumption. (added from my personal POV: You don't need uncompressed DTS sound, when watching on a Mac!)
If you make your living from creating media go and vote with your wallet. That's the only way Apple will ever learn, because they don't give a damn about you and your probems as a professional. They don't care "you kept them alive". They go, where the money is. And that is not you - it's the sheep.
And if you want to simply have the media on the go - well, get yourself onte of those VAIOs posted above. That's what I will do.
And about the straming debate: I'd pick Microsofts streaming service over iTunes any day, as they offer 1080p with a clean and reliable experience. Zune Marketplace runs circles around iTunes and any unbiased reviewer should come to that conclusion considering HD rentals.
But as long as BOTH iTunes and Zune have a really unfair pricing policy compared to optical media rentals (let alone optical media buying) those service won't take off. It's not just a broadband bottleneck, it is also a matter of price!
You can add Full BluRay
What is this talk about being denied bluray capability? See link below.
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/blu-ray
What is this talk about being denied bluray capability? See link below.
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/blu-ray
Blu-Ray playback is still not an option because it is not in OS-X (unless of course you are talking about major run-arounds).
I prefer to watch BD movies in my home theater, not at my desk on my 27" screen. That's why I have dedicated BD players and could care less if Macs lack BD ability - and so does most of the world.
So, because you don't want BD, nobody else should have the option to order it.
Brilliant. Thank you for speaking for most of the world. Epic.
Eggnog flavored kool-aid. Magic.
I never said the option to order it should be denied for others. I am just saying people should deal with it and stop whining.
Backed up by what evidence? You have no idea what you're talking about.
LOL - linux2mac has no idea what he said and then tries to turn it around. He spins around more than Linda Blair in the exorcist!
We know that, and you don't want the option of playing or burning BDs away from your home.
But, some people do.
There is a vast difference between whining, which is what you are doing because you have no investment whatsoever in our position, and complaining and demanding, which is what we CUSTOMERS, who DO have a large investment in Apple, are doing.
As far as dealing with what an ****** Jobs is being and dealing with his sock puppets, we're doing a bang-up job.
Dealing with his seeming endless line of kneejerk apologists and sycophants? Not so well.
I do have to say this- as much as I wish Apple would adopt BR, not one person I know is that enthralled with it. Most people I know use their BR players to stream movies from Netflix. Jobs is probably onto something. And really, why do you think BR manufacturers are including WiFi capability on their players? They know where things are going.
Now- Macs do have the ability to burn BR content in FCP, provided one has a BR drive. Honestly, as long as we can do that, the professional issue is solved.
Do I wish Apple would offer a BR drive option with their computers? Of course. But I do see the point of not doing so as well. It would be nice if they did offer it though.
Now- Macs do have the ability to burn BR content in FCP, provided one has a BR drive. Honestly, as long as we can do that, the professional issue is solved.
Do I wish Apple would offer a BR drive option with their computers? Of course. But I do see the point of not doing so as well. It would be nice if they did offer it though.
Originally it was to be able to easily update the firmware and to access web-based bonus features. Obviously now they are using it for things like YouTube, Netflix, etc., because, for the first time ever, there is becoming a viable alternative to physical media. Everyone talks about where things are going but none of those people are saying when we will get there or what to do in the mean time. In the future we'll have flying cars. In the future we'll get rid of the internal combustion engine. In the future the internet will kill the big five music labels and the CD format. In the future...
Once these companies start to phase out making Blu-ray players w/streaming abilities in favor of making streaming-only boxes then I'll agree to put a fork in BD. Until then I see both formats co-existing in the market place just like we've had music streaming/downloads co-existing with CDs for the last decade or so (and CDs are still out performing legal streams/downloads).
There is a difference between dying since the day you were born and being on your deathbed.
Using FCP is very limiting though. If you need to create a basic 'one-off' for a client or something simple to only be used in-house it can most likely get the job done but it's not like FCP's "share" function gives you anywhere near the power and flexibility that a full blown authoring app would. Even once you make it though you still can't play it back.
Lethal
Really? Apple "just works" Macintosh has the "professional issue solved" by allowing tacked-on BD authoring without the ability to playback the disc you just burned?
And that would be? To attempt to destroy it like Flash? Seeing as BTO only passes costs onto the consumers, there's not a lot to gain by not offering it, other than trying to push iTunes sales. Apple has done well to resist the Flash parasite (and push better technologies), but going against BD is just stupid (no better optical disc format widely available).
I wish Apple would put as much innovation/effort into Macs as they do into iPhones these days. We'd have some mind-blowing computers. (And no, I don't mean any sort of touch OS.)
Home Theater PC.
Also makes me wonder why Apple allows DVD playback, why FrontRow exists, and why the Macs have remotes.
I converted to Mac in October 2009. Since then I have bought the following for my business - (4) Minis and (1) Mini Server, (1) 27" C2D iMac and (1) 27" i7 iMac, (2) 13" MBP's, (1) 15" MBP. I believe this does make me a qualified Apple CUSTOMER to have a voice in the matter. Why did I buy all these Macs? Because Windows and Dells are pure garbage and I was sick of some Windows conflict always screwing up an employee's PC. Now with OSX "it just works" and there is no down time for my employees like our Windows days. When employees have down time that costs me money. And I don't like to lose money. My Macs make me money without BD.
I doubt a company would have much need for Blu-ray playback in the first place....
Macs are not just for businesses and as a long time Apple customer myself, I would love to be able to watch BD movies I have already bought on the go when I travel
PS: I don't think anyone likes to lose money by the way lol
Blu-Ray drives aren't in Mac's for one simple reason; Apple don't want the format to canablise their iTunes sales. They invested a lot many years ago into the iTunes Movie store, and they're not going to give it up by offering a Blu-Ray drive too. Whats more, Blu-Ray drives are considerably more expensive than DVD drives, so it would bump up the price. And a B.T.O option isn't likely either, since something as significant as a Blu-Ray drive would be front-page news on the Apple site, and those marketing tools are never for B.T.O options - only primary features.
I'd love to see Blu-Ray drives in Mac's for the simple reason that, with these great quality displays, I'd like to be able to watch films when the main TV (which has a PS3 connected) isn't free. If Job's thinks that the future is download/streaming, then he's got a lot coming to him. Blu-Ray has so many advantages over downloading an iTunes HD film that it's almost ridiculous to compare.
But unfortunately, this is the society we now live in. Because of the way iTunes took off with MP3 downloading, Apple are now geared towards efficiency and simplicity over quality. They'll claim these High-Def downloads are wonderful and the screenshots on the page are also beautiful (because they're never actual screenshots), but when you consider they have compressed audio, compressed video, a lacking of features and more compared to owning a physical Blu-Ray disc which opposes all of the former, then you're only contradicting why you would actually want to buy a Blu-Ray in the first place.
Afterall, what would attract new Mac customers; a Blu-Ray drive or iTunes HD sales?...
I'd love to see Blu-Ray drives in Mac's for the simple reason that, with these great quality displays, I'd like to be able to watch films when the main TV (which has a PS3 connected) isn't free. If Job's thinks that the future is download/streaming, then he's got a lot coming to him. Blu-Ray has so many advantages over downloading an iTunes HD film that it's almost ridiculous to compare.
But unfortunately, this is the society we now live in. Because of the way iTunes took off with MP3 downloading, Apple are now geared towards efficiency and simplicity over quality. They'll claim these High-Def downloads are wonderful and the screenshots on the page are also beautiful (because they're never actual screenshots), but when you consider they have compressed audio, compressed video, a lacking of features and more compared to owning a physical Blu-Ray disc which opposes all of the former, then you're only contradicting why you would actually want to buy a Blu-Ray in the first place.
Afterall, what would attract new Mac customers; a Blu-Ray drive or iTunes HD sales?...
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I am one of those people and neither myself or the other dozen people in my office or several dozen in other offices we work with has a problem with using an external drive or nonApple software to create BR discs when we need them. Or the detail that we have to test playback on a tv with a standalone, esp since that is what we are designing for
Fear has nothing to do with it.
At the time that Blu-ray first kicked up, the components were costly and the licensing much more so. Plus the various bits were owned by dozens of different folks which made it more of a pain than Apple saw as worth it due to their small volume of sales. So they invested in digital downloads. Not that they have done that it simply doesn't make sense to push anything else and lose the investment
As for Flash, the issue there is that Adobe is resistant to making native Mac apps for any of their products which leads to issues, especially on lower powered machines such as the iOS devices. Steve doesn't want the PR backlash. We have seen how ATT failings have been a nightmare for Apple. Flash crashing phones and stranding folks etc would be worse
And when exactly was this self serving research by Netflix done and released. My guess is before the release of the iPad and new apple tv
Just about six weeks ago there was a WSJ article about the millions Netflux spends on postage and how the company is pushing streaming to cut those costs and use the money to license more streaming content.
I disagree. This thread could be killed off by the creation of a new codec that allows 1080 quality video with 5.1 or better sound at a feasible file size. As well as the embracing of downloads by the studios, who create the same feature sets on both the digital and physical versions. Thus negating the need for most parties to buy disks to then have to rip them for easier travel etc.
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