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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Ok, help me understand. You and Halitosis are against the option to play Blu-ray media in any Mac, right? What is the argument for preventing a disc from playing a movie in a Mac?
Back on topic, this is actually good analogy for those against Apple supporting Blu-ray, or indeed physical media in general. It doesn't really impact anyone to have the option (which they could either take up or not according to taste or preference), but some people would rather deny others choice simply because they are not interested in it anymore.
I think denying the option of well-established standards is bad for Apple to do. You could link it to decisions like EOL'ing the XServe, not providing eSATA ports etc... individually these things are not huge (though I think the BD attitude is much bigger than some, in that I think there are far more people who would actually like the option, and that number is likely increasing all the time, and will do for some time to come) - but they add up. And Apple might be happy to make these decisions as long as their consumer user-base is thriving and increasing at a speedy pace. But consumers can be very fickle, and it would seem imprudent to not retain a sensible level of support for pro customers, and even the 'prosumer' market, where people and businesses might get more twitchy about buying macs if they are liable to be subject to Apple's arbitrary nature of deciding not to support something because they think it might impact upon iTunes-land or it's just 'a bag of hurt' or whatever.
Uh oh... Lock the thread before we have to justify keeping Mac users from watching Blu-rays on their Macs! 
Uh oh... Lock the thread before we have to justify keeping Mac users from watching Blu-rays on their Macs!
This thread is from the middle of last year, I personally have never seen a thread go on for this long. I think that everything there is to say has been said, many many MANY MANY MANY!! MANY!!! times, so yes, this thread should be stopped.
Before this thread dies, I just want to say one thing, although i think i already said it in this thread a few months ago... Not sure. Anyhow, personally, I don't even use the CD/DVD drive for movies anymore. I do pure online Netflix, and I think I'm not alone. If they removed the CD/DVD drive and gave us an optional external one for the rare times you actually NEED a CD/DVD, then I'd be happy. Like I said, I just don't use physical media anymore for anything but a system software restore, and apple recently included a USB flash drive for that on the recent MBA. If i had that, then i would truly have NO need for the drive. One way or another, physical media is going the way of the horse. It's dying, and Apple is one of the first to drop it. Believe it or not, they weren't the first though. I know for a fact that lenovo did it with thinkpads before apple did, although that wasn't as hyped at the time, so go whine on their forums a bit to even it out a little.
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If everyone has said all they have to say the thread will die naturally. But if you're sick of reading it then... don't?
This thread is from the middle of last year, I personally have never seen a thread go on for this long. I think that everything there is to say has been said, many many MANY MANY MANY!! MANY!!! times, so yes, this thread should be stopped.
Before this thread dies, I just want to say one thing, although i think i already said it in this thread a few months ago... Not sure. Anyhow, personally, I don't even use the CD/DVD drive for movies anymore. I do pure online Netflix, and I think I'm not alone. If they removed the CD/DVD drive and gave us an optional external one for the rare times you actually NEED a CD/DVD, then I'd be happy. Like I said, I just don't use physical media anymore for anything but a system software restore, and apple recently included a USB flash drive for that on the recent MBA. If i had that, then i would truly have NO need for the drive. One way or another, physical media is going the way of the horse. It's dying, and Apple is one of the first to drop it. Believe it or not, they weren't the first though. I know for a fact that lenovo did it with thinkpads before apple did, although that wasn't as hyped at the time, so go whine on their forums a bit to even it out a little.
So your whole argument is, "I don't use it, so nobody should be able to."
That's weak. I don't use condoms, so they should stop making those, too, right? I mean, I know I'm not alone on this.
And we get back to the crux of the problem where a user is apparently against the idea of choice because what multi-nation corporation X currently offers works for him and therefore should work for everyone else.Before this thread dies, I just want to say one thing, although i think i already said it in this thread a few months ago... Not sure. Anyhow, personally, I don't even use the CD/DVD drive for movies anymore. I do pure online Netflix, and I think I'm not alone. If they removed the CD/DVD drive and gave us an optional external one for the rare times you actually NEED a CD/DVD, then I'd be happy. Like I said, I just don't use physical media anymore for anything but a system software restore, and apple recently included a USB flash drive for that on the recent MBA. If i had that, then i would truly have NO need for the drive. One way or another, physical media is going the way of the horse. It's dying, and Apple is one of the first to drop it. Believe it or not, they weren't the first though. I know for a fact that lenovo did it with thinkpads before apple did, although that wasn't as hyped at the time, so go whine on their forums a bit to even it out a little.
Here's a unique concept. Choice. Customers can chose if they want a CD or vinyl or streaming or MP3 or streaming. Instead of a one-size-fits-all approach, which is what we've usually been limited to in the past, we actually are at point where people have options for how they want to listen to music or watch movies and yet some people seem to be against choice because of some arbitrary allegiance to the medium in which their entertainment is delivered.
As for physical media dying... Music CD's have been 'dying' for over a decade now yet still out perform legal music streams/downloads. I'm confused by your Lenovo comment because optical drives are still available on Thinkpads. And just to split hairs for a moment, all local storage is physical media so unless you use the cloud for everything you are still using physical media. The days of physical media being the de facto option for transporting data from point A to point B are certainly over but that doesn't mean physical media as a transport option will be eliminated anymore than the rise of the airplane eliminated the need for boats and ships.
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I live in a 4G wifi area, and my new phone uses 4G, and that's the future, so they should block access to everything pre-4G.
Does that make sense? That's the argument against Blu-ray?
Does that make sense? That's the argument against Blu-ray?
Solid-state harddrives are the future, so the next Mac better not support 7200rpm HDDs, I tell 'ya.
I am not against the "option" for BD nor am I against BD. You are the one calling people names (i.e. sheep) because we are not upset at SJ for not giving a BD option (BTW - it really is an option). If I am a "sheep" then I want to be a black "sheep."
I am not against the "option" for BD nor am I against BD. You are the one calling people names (i.e. sheep) because we are not upset at SJ for not giving a BD option (BTW - it really is an option). If I am a "sheep" then I want to be a black "sheep."
I gave my interpretation of someone else calling you sheep, but besides that, you are wrong about it being an option. I have a BD burner/player in my Mac, and it will not play Blu-ray movies. Are you playing dumb about this, or do you really not know that it doesn't work in OSX?
It looks like there isn't one person that can tell me why it's better to have no Blu-ray movie playing option in OSX.
without reading all gazillion pages of this thread, i somehow suspect that consensus has already been agreed within the first 5 pages
The opposite of what my company had to do.
But you still get discs from netflix... so you can complain about physical media?
That's good, because you don't have the option to watch it on your mac.
Why don't you just stream to that 92 inch screen?
Another "friend." It's always the imaginary "friend" who makes your point.
And then you'll have to download a bunch of other software to get it semi-working on a mac.
That's good, again, because you don't have the option.
It sounds like the mac is definitely for you!
The truth revealed!
come on, guys, only a bit more to reach 5000. Then the mods should close it in honor of the 5000 mark!
Before we reach to 5000 posts, can you comprehend the consept of "angle of view"?
After that we can continue discussing about need for resolution...
My story of bd is this:
In 2008 I wanted to see hd movies.
(In 2011 iTunes does not still offer any movies in my region.
No netflix in Europe either...)
I also needed a laptop.
There were no bd+dvd+digitalcopy and they are still very rare.
Bd vs. hd-dvd war was over.
Apple had said in 2005 that they are looking for bd and are in board of bd.
I wanted to watch movies at home, at work room, at my father's and on the road.
I waited for mabook with bd, but since it didn't show up, I bought cheap asus with bd.
Resolution: I wasted so much time on problems with cheap vista laptop, that I didn't watch as much bd movies with it than I thought I would.
Also when I had to do some work in OsX, I had to always go to my work room and lost a lot of time in travelling.
(Yes, I use vnc and no, hackintosh for asus doesn't work, since it has only the planet's most common gpu, which has no osx drivers...)
I didn't buy table-bd-player, since I thought I could always use asus.
Then asus' bd-drive broke.
I had just bought a mbp for work and would be unable to buy new gadgets for a long time.
So the bd-movies were standing still on the shelf.
I should have bought the mbp for the first time, not waste time and money to asus and also bought stand alone bd-player for the best screen I watch.
Then I should have just bite my lip when at any other screen and not to watch movies.
If Apple would have integrated bd-playback in 2006-2008, I would have been watching hd movies happily in every place I were in last 4 years.
I guess that recent SJ's comments about bd licensing makes no sense regarding playback.
So they must be about future FCS update.
Who knows how much adobe has to pay for bd authoring with Audition?
Yep, especially when they arrive scratched and I have to send them back.
I do, on my PS3 with 1080p from Netflix.
It's not good to assume.
Like Brett Favre's streak - LOL
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On the other hand, rocking a Macintosh can also be a pain in the butt for businesses.
A lot of VPN software does not work with OSX. Worse, even when one does, OSX updates often break them. I lost VPN for nearly 6 months when Leopard came out. I don't remember whether it was Cisco or Apani at the time but both had Mac problems. Then one of them issued a Mac update that was not covered by the site license, so each Mac user had to expense a $99 upgrade to get VPN working again.
Even with Office and/or iWork file interoperability, "The Mac Guy" always screws up the shared documents because nothing is 100% compatible with the Windows stuff and anybody who says it is hasn't used it. There's always some little glitch caused by editing on the Mac that you have to eat crow for later.
Companies usually buy expensive site licenses for products like Office, and those site licenses do not apply to Mac Office. Meaning the Mac which the company already paid more money for, now costs them even more with additional single-user software purchases.
Crucial MS software is completely missing from Office:Mac, such as Access, Visio, and Project. You can buy Mac alternatives but (1) they are not 100% compatible and (2) every Mac user is costing the company money by having to buy more individual licenses for software that everybody else already gets as part of a site license.
To get around this, you could use Parallels or VMWare, which is yet another software purchase and another series of hoops you have to jump through to justify being "The Mac Guy".
Additionally, when something breaks, you are HOSED because the IT drones won't support a Mac because it's a non-standard platform.
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Not only is internet throughput (and bandwidth caps) a legitimate issue, but it also ignores the likelihood of draconian DRM on the digital movies we download. Has anybody ever tried to do anything with an iTunes video they've downloaded?
Want to transcode it? Want to copy it to another device? Want to sell it to somebody else once you're bored of it?
Ironically people are kvetching about Blu-Ray's DRM but the DRM found on digital downloads is far more oppressive.
So, when I buy one of these external Blu-Ray drives, and insert a Blu-Ray movie into it, does it "just work"?
We both know the answer is NO. For that, you need to boot into a more modern, up-to-date, multimedia-friendly, and capable operating system - Windows.
Part of the problem is that Apple is a shark when dealing with 3rd party software companies. The example that comes to mind was during the end of the OS9 days, Musicmatch Jukebox was actually the most popular music software on the Mac. Apple paid MusicMatch to go away, so iTunes could have a monopoly in the music playback for its OS. Apple doesn't like people coming in and providing a better solution.
I don't know about the origins for DVDPlayer.app but I know it came along late in the game. I wonder if it was written in-house by Apple or whether one of the big DVD software houses such as Ravisent or Cyberlink wrote it for them. Given how outright nasty it is to deal with Apple, I'm not shocked at all that the big three PC Blu-Ray shops (Corel, Cyberlink, ARCSoft) have stayed clear.
I too would love to be able to watch my content anywhere -- from an iPhone to a Mac to my 65" plasma. I'd also love to use a Mac as my home theater PC, but due to their lack of support for HDMI, multichannel audio and Blu-Ray, I can't. Sad to say, the Mac isn't the best platform for media consumption and production anymore. I'd love to be "PC free" but if I want cutting edge media playback, I need to have a PC.
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i think that various media conglomerates are just getting started at digital repression. verizon is testing the waters suing the FCC over neutrality and i think it's just going to snowball from there in the new few years. in a couple of years i wouldnt be surprised to see that netflix streaming, hulu and others simply arent a viable business model any more as there are so many restrictions on streaming large amounts of data.
Haven't had you first hard disk crash yet, have you, youngster? I'm guessing the 94 is your birth year which makes you 16-17. I've got CD-Rs older than that (and they still work).
Got news for ya, hard drives crash far more often than discs are rendered unreadable because of scratches. Hard disks fail all the time, and you should use computers expecting hard disks to fail.
Or perhaps you have a RAID 5 array and an offsite backup so you can restore all the DRM infested garbage you download when your hard disk crashes.
In all my years of using computers, I think I've had 10X the hard disk failures than unreadable optical discs. I think I've had one gold CD-R go bad, one dual-layer DVD go bad because oxygen gets into the glue between layers (and the manufacturer replaced it), and maybe once or twice in years of renting have I had to send a disc back because it was unreadable. Usually it's not scratches but fingerprints and a quick wipe with a damp soft cloth fixes it.
Hard disk crashes, I can tell 10x that amount of stories. Laptop drives fail all the time because they are constantly on the move, and they are more tightly packed and thus heat sensitive. I've had two 7200rpm SATA drives fail in my 5 drive array in about 3 years of uptime.
Or, put it another way. Find an old "Vintage" computer like an original PowerBook and virtually all of the time, the hard disk is dead, that's not a coincidence. Hard disks aren't meant to last.
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Why does this thread always turn into it SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be an option? I know it's not an option, and I'm fine with that. There are plenty of technologies that are not an option. When I'm considering a purchase, I find the best technology for my needs and purchase it. Blu-ray on a laptop or desktop is a non-factor like a blender on my TV.
Fine - then buy the TV without the blender. Does it hurt you that some may need the TV with the blender?
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