No, of course not. I'm not one to have the conversation of "a TV SHOULD (or SHOULDN'T) have a blender," just like I'm not one to have the conversation about whether Blu-ray SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be an Apple-supported technology. You missed the point.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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But you are in this thread talking about it and have an opinion, so clearly you are having a conversation about it.
Listen, i never said that nobody should be able to. I was pointing out my point of view on the matter, AND pointing out that there are many other people with the same point of view. I never said i was against choice, don't put words in my mouth. Sorry you're in such a bad mood dude, but geez... I think that this "issue" you're whining about is a non-issue to the majority of the human race, that's all I'm saying.
Don't you just love wannabe censors?
I'm not a wannabe censor, it's just that this thread is from the 30th of June last year, and is almost 200 pages. Is there seriously anything more of significance that anyone can contribute at this point? I doubt it.
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The significance of my posting is in the request of knowing of the significance of other people's postings, which, by itself, is insignificant, why even comment on my insignificant post? Geez, that hurt. Anyway... So yah, my point is proven, there is nothing being said that's significant. Even what i say is no longer significant anymore. This thread is as dead as a thread can be in terms of value at this point.
Your argument is that it SHOULD be included because not including it is idiotic. That's not very substantive.
My point is that this thread originated with Jobs' informative suggestion: blu-ray not coming to mac anytime soon, see thread title. I see posts for and posts against. Most posts are IT SHOULD or IT SHOULDN'T be included. Generally speaking, the inclusion of technology in a product requires justification. I guess I haven't spent enough time in the 200 pages of this thread to find that justification.
You find hallucinations amusing?
[kindly quote one single post by those "folks arguing adamantly against it even being an option"... if you can find one.]
Pluswhich as i previously pointed out the original (bag o'hurt) statement where Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon was issued sometime in October 2008.
Move along folks... nothing new to see here.
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Lol
Pretty bad when even CNET puts Blu-Ray "somewhere just north Laserdisk."
*sad trombone*
Oh well, at least they didn't call it the new 8-track.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
Pretty bad when even CNET puts Blu-Ray "somewhere just north Laserdisk."
*sad trombone*
Oh well, at least they didn't call it the new 8-track.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
Pretty bad when even CNET puts Blu-Ray "somewhere just north Laserdisk."
*sad trombone*
Oh well, at least they didn't call it the new 8-track.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
I hate that guy but can't believe how much I agreed with him on everything he had to say. Facebook I'm on the fence about as far as continuing being as popular. We'll see..
I don't think bluray is dead until streaming hits the same image and audio quality. And as ISPs try to cut the balls off consumers via bandwidth caps etc. it might get it's second wind yet.
Netflix instant stream quality is perfect for 90% of my media consumption needs but when the lights go out and projector is turned on... bluray or the non encoded iso file is in the spotlight.
Pretty bad when even CNET puts Blu-Ray "somewhere just north Laserdisk."
*sad trombone*
Oh well, at least they didn't call it the new 8-track.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
Just for the record, I am still not against the option for SJ including dead technology in Macs.
Absolutely. The Apple press release stating the next version of OSX will have full blu-ray support and Mac Pros and iMacs will ship with BD burners standard the way it should have happened no more than three months after Blu-ray won the format war.
And until then, we continue to belabor the painfully obvious against the painfully clueless.
I'm one of those addicted.
Although here might be very little new info about subject in the future, I'll follow this thread as long it is alive.
Every now and then some new to the thread shows up and nobody has time to read 5k postings, so repeating gives me opportunity to think things again and refine my point.
There is this fear of unknown.
Rumor says that implementing "secure video path" for bd somehow makes the whole mac slower or unstable.
Although I guess that this path already exist for iTunes videos, but maybe it needs to be in deeper kernel level for bd or something.
Funny that implementing this secure video path to winXP did not change the behavior of os at all... And Vista was already so horrible that nothing couls save it...
And hardwarewise if macs will continue with their precent course it will be more so in the future.
This will hit hardest the power users.
Already taking ec off 15" mbp led to fall of 3rd party support, since there's so few 17" around.
Also ever increasing price of dual-cpu mp and stupid memory config on both mp's does not make them any more attractive, so the quality of 3rd party solutions for basic power user is decreasing.
If Apple wants to keep Macs alive, the great challenge is how to maintain balance between profits and versatility.
More they take away features (simplify) and neglect the advancement of the industry, less the customers need expensive support, but at the same time they are cutting small portions of customers away.
Long time ago, when Apple still attended big shows like NAB, there always were massive amounts of Xserves & Xraids, I guess just to shine Apple's reputiation. I'm not sure any more that Apple believes that they need that kind of PR. I guess that they don't think being market leader in "creative pros" helps them to sell more. So, MP will get axed next and maybe Lion will be last of the cats.
It's impossible to read and get a grip on this thread and I am late..sorry..
I would assume the obvious comparison to the situation with CD:s and early ripping of such is somewhere on page 87 or so?
The situation is obviously also now that anyone can get BR quality ripped movie files on torrents and such by ye olde ripping and filesharing procedures identical to those of the CD some decades ago. The CD is still here, as is the DVD and probably the BD for years to come.
So my question is perhaps why Apple has changed it's policy of aiding this situation the last time around, allowing consumers to make copies of CD:s
and aid the situation we are now in with legal and pirated media.
Are Apple simply in bed with more studios and publishers this time around?
Copyright law not as full of loopholes on DVD and Blu-ray for Apple to allow consumers to use discs as a way to carry home movies and put on their computers in waiting for faster internet? This in tandem with buying from iTunes and not as a replacement for it.
I know you can already do all this as a consumer and I would speculate that the path will be similar for CD, DVD and BD in this regard.
But why is Apple not in on it this time around?
I would assume the obvious comparison to the situation with CD:s and early ripping of such is somewhere on page 87 or so?
The situation is obviously also now that anyone can get BR quality ripped movie files on torrents and such by ye olde ripping and filesharing procedures identical to those of the CD some decades ago. The CD is still here, as is the DVD and probably the BD for years to come.
So my question is perhaps why Apple has changed it's policy of aiding this situation the last time around, allowing consumers to make copies of CD:s
and aid the situation we are now in with legal and pirated media.
Are Apple simply in bed with more studios and publishers this time around?
Copyright law not as full of loopholes on DVD and Blu-ray for Apple to allow consumers to use discs as a way to carry home movies and put on their computers in waiting for faster internet? This in tandem with buying from iTunes and not as a replacement for it.
I know you can already do all this as a consumer and I would speculate that the path will be similar for CD, DVD and BD in this regard.
But why is Apple not in on it this time around?
You find hallucinations amusing?
[kindly quote one single post by those "folks arguing adamantly against it even being an option"... if you can find one.]
I only went through the first 500 posts in the thread, but here are four (you might like to argue they aren't explicit enough, but I think they are fairly clearly in support of Job's current position):
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10401922/
furi0usbee
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10402578/
Minimoose 360
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10403783/
AppleFreak89
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10404597/
rumplestiltskin
I'm sure there are others.
CDs never had any widespread DRM or encryption to prevent them being ripped. DVDs and BDs do, and so are in a much greyer area legally when you rip them (encryption, the DMCA and all that). So ripping a DVD or BD is not identical to ripping a CD.
...despite it being kind of obvious to common sense that if you buy a movie then however you want to play it should be up to you, as long as you're not distributing it to others or profiting from it. But that would be too sensible in a greedy messed-up world.
ROFLMAO.
When even corporate suck-up (except for Apple, that doesn't advertise on CNET, so they get trashed while CNET tosses everyone else's salad in the tech industry) claims you're "doomed," you're doomed.
You may recognize the guy in the video. He is on all the flat panel TV screens when you walk into Costco. He is supposed to talk you into investing in "HD" technology like Blu-Ray. Whoops!
I wouldn't be surprised if they end up pulling it due to complaints from their advertisers.
P.S. I am still not against the option for Steve Jobs and Apple to include doomed technology in Macs.
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Yes,
bd is doomed, just like 3d-tv, cd, dvd, etc.
But it's not dead and it's getting more popular all the time.
Do you also think that because you are doomed to die in some day, you shouldn't enjoy your life before you die?
Apple wasn't selling cd's at that time.
Now they are selling the competitor, streamed movie (in some regions).
Thanx for reply,
Well, DVD and BD don't really have any DRM that prevents them from being ripped IRL either, but other than that I get your point. Not identical other than from the actual pragmatical real-world POV. Legally I agree..but on a looser interpretation it seems Apple created a hole to creep in to the music industry putting peoples CD:s on a computer and created a marketplace for itself in a legally grey area also. Sure less grey, but still..
I would humbly speculate that this has been discussed with the Apple lawyers and decided against, as this (taking a BD home and put it on the computer as a moviefile) is happening with third parties anyway..right now. So Apple will not have to bother.
Same, same...but different
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Just a couple from the first few pages.You find hallucinations amusing?
[kindly quote one single post by those "folks arguing adamantly against it even being an option"... if you can find one.]
There is no legal loophole that companies, not just Apple, have to exploit because ripping CDs and/or transferring music to MP3 players is legal (at least under US law). In the 'Betamax case' in the 80's the US Supreme Court ruled that 'time-shifting' TV shows (i.e. recording the over-the-air signal onto VHS tapes) for private use was okay. Based on this precedent the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals later ruled against the RIAA in the '90s when they tried to sue Diamond Multimedia for making the Rio (AFAIK the significant MP3 player). This led to consumers having the legal right to 'space-shift' (moving media from one device or medium to another) as well for private use.
DVDs became a bit of a gray area because of the copy protection but you could still buy off-the-shelf software to rip DVDs. It was ultimately the language in the DMCA that made the Courts say that DVD ripping was illegal because it required breaking/circumventing the built-in DRM. Basically the DMCA created an end-run around 20yrs of case law because while US citizens still have the legal right to space and time shift they don't have the legal right to break the encryption that prevents them from space and time shifting.
Apple did drop it's 'Rip. Mix. Burn' ad campaign though when they started to head towards music distribution because obviously the music studios Apple had to suck up to at the time didn't want people ripping, mixing, and burning their own CDs.
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