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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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toke lahti said:
Yes,
bd is doomed, just like 3d-tv, cd, dvd, etc.
But it's not dead and it's getting more popular all the time.

Do you also think that because you are doomed to die in some day, you shouldn't enjoy your life before you die? :rolleyes:
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Why choose to die when you can be immortal? :D

Let's take your lifespan analogy a bit further. Let's say, heaven forbid, a doctor came to you and said you had a terminal disease. However, he also tells you that you have two options. First, you could do nothing and die in a few years. The alternative: take medication with minor drawbacks but keeps improving all the time and may let you live indefinitely with a better quality of life than you've ever had. So, which would you choose?
 
linux2mac said:
You may recognize the guy in the video. He is on all the flat panel TV screens when you walk into Costco. He is supposed to talk you into investing in "HD" technology like Blu-Ray. Whoops!

I wouldn't be surprised if they end up pulling it due to complaints from their advertisers.
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Damn! I didn't even think about that fact.

*super sad trombone*
 
MacNewsFix said:
Damn! I didn't even think about that fact.

*super sad trombone*
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Although I stand firm that I have no opposition to Apple offering as an option technology that is "somewhere just north of Laserdisk" in Macs, I agree things must be bad for the pro BD folks when even CNET abandons them. Perhaps I should pick up the Terminator series on BD for collectors sake.
 
res1233 said:
So yah, my point is proven, there is nothing being said that's significant. Even what i say is no longer significant anymore. This thread is as dead as a thread can be in terms of value at this point.
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If you had commented on ads and porn, you would have defined the internet. Congratulations!
MacNewsFix said:
Pretty bad when even CNET puts Blu-Ray "somewhere just north Laserdisk."
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LD lasted longer than DVD will on the market. Now, it sold fewer units, but I'd call it a success.
 
LethalWolfe said:
Apple did drop it's 'Rip. Mix. Burn' ad campaign though when they started to head towards music distribution because obviously the music studios Apple had to suck up to at the time didn't want people ripping, mixing, and burning their own CDs.
Lethal
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Good point, and kind of what I am getting at with the grey area argument on Apple and CD rip mix burn.
I am sure Apple new full well what they were doing at the time and that CD:s ripped in iTunes would also travel the net.
But they could not do ads that went "rip mix share" could they.
..and it's happening again now with DVD and BD I guess..
 
linux2mac said:
Although I stand firm that I have no opposition to Apple offering as an option technology that is "somewhere just north of Laserdisk" in Macs, I agree things must be bad for the pro BD folks when even CNET abandons them. Perhaps I should pick up the Terminator series on BD for collectors sake.
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I don't think i have seen anyone more butt hurt over something than you are over Blu ray. Second i really don't have the time to point out how flat out idiotic the claim "blu ray is just north of laserdisk" is.
 
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leroypants said:
.......i really don't have the time to point out how flat out idiotic the claim "blu ray is just north of laserdisk" is.
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Take it up with CNET. :) It would be great if you mention my posts too!

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linux2mac said:
Take it up with CNET. :) It would be great if you mention my posts too!

CBS Interactive
235 Second Street
San Francisco, CA 94105-3124

or phone

415-344-2000

or email

buzz@cnet.com

or 800 Number

1-800-616-CNET

CNET Top 5 Doomed Technologies

http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
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http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Blu-ray-Sold-1-8-Billion-in-2010.shtml

Remember when people used to compare Blu-ray to Betamax? Well, we never heard about Beta scoring well over a billion in sales, even in time-adjusted dollars.

According to the Digital Entertainment Group (DEG), the Blu-ray format took home approximately $1.8 billion in sales last year. It's important to note that this number is strictly sales of Blu-ray software.

This is quite a big deal for the format and its fans. Despite total consumer spending going down 3.3 percent last year, the total haul for home entertainment in 2010 was $18.8 billion. so Blu-ray sales are up to 10% of that total entertainment spend. Contributing to the overall home entertainment total was broadband electronic sell-through (EST) and video on demand (VOD), which brought in a combined $2.5 billion.

About $11.25 million of the income came from game consoles and stand-alone Blu-ray players. Those new sales have brought the total number of Blu-ray playback devices in the home to around 27.5 million. That's up 62 percent from 2009.

Of course, that $1.8 billion in software is a nice incline as well, up 68 percent from 2009. Blu-ray rentals also saw a 34-percent increase.


"We continued to see strong growth in Blu-ray and significant gains in digital distribution this year, despite a tough economy," said Ron Sanders, president of DEG and president of Warner Home Video. "We also saw a slight increase in consumer transactions, which is a clear indication that consumer demand for home entertainment remains healthy."

Figures compiled by accounts Swicker & Associates say that more than 170 million Blu-ray discs shipped to market in 2010, with 73 million in the fourth quarter alone. Since launch, almost 350 million Blu-ray discs have been shipped



Pretty good for a dead format :p

I am going to go watch a film with the highest quality audio and the highest quality video, while others will watch inferior streams with inferior audio and inferior video.
 
Can't we all just get along ;-)

12 centimeters.

The slot is there. The form factor is the same. CD/DVD/Blu-Ray all evolution not revolution.

My Macs should be able to do anything a PC can do and more.

12 centimeters.

More movies are created on Macs, more music is created on Macs, yet the flock faithful want to abandon physical media.

Physical media has a value, and until we all have 100/20 Mbps broadband @ $29.99 per month with a 1TB cap, I think we need to keep physical media viable and on the table.

Don't weaken the Mac - make it stronger.

12 centimeters. :apple:
 
touchtone561 said:
Physical media has a value, and until we all have 100/20 Mbps broadband @ $29.99 per month with a 1TB cap, I think we need to keep physical media viable and on the table.
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It needs to be faster than that with no cap. And upload from the content providers has to be better, too. In fact, that's probably the biggest problem right now.
 
linux2mac said:
CNET Top 5 Doomed Technologies

http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
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If the only negative worth mentioning is that he doesn't think Blu-ray will surpass DVD's achievement of being one of the most successful consumer electronics products ever I don't think Blu-ray is going to be a failure. This seems to fail to take into account that Blu-ray is currently on pace to be more successful than DVD even though the market is more crowded now than during the early years of DVD. I doubt Blu-ray will surpass DVDs high watermark because of the increased competition but that doesn't mean Blu-ray is doomed. That's like saying every professional cyclist is 'doomed' if they don't win the Tour de France at least 3 or 4 times.


Lethal
 
i think both blu ray and dvd will coexist for some time. due to the physical disc compatibility there isn't a huge motivation to drop the predecessor like there was going from tapes say to cd. those that want a higher image will get the blu ray on their hi def tv's and those that are content with dvd will stick with that and not see a need to upgrade. i dont think dvd has to die necessarily for blu ray to have a successful future.

only when 1080p sets are standard and blu ray players are the only devices that are made will dvd's probably be phased out. but that's a long way from happening, as there's a lot of people who are still using tube tv's where dvd is fine and blu ray is irrelevant and will probably skip the whole first phase of widespread flat panel adoption, and only upgrade when their set eventually dies a few years down the road.
 
MacNewsFix said:
Let's take your lifespan analogy a bit further. Let's say, heaven forbid, a doctor came to you and said you had a terminal disease. However, he also tells you that you have two options. First, you could do nothing and die in a few years. The alternative: take medication with minor drawbacks but keeps improving all the time and may let you live indefinitely with a better quality of life than you've ever had. So, which would you choose?
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Better analogy would be that you have 20 years left and you can choose to live first 10 years high quality life (bd) and then change to new medication, which gives by then as high quality of life as before OR you could choose bad medication now (halfHD DRM-downloads) and be in pain for next decade.
 
linux2mac said:
I agree things must be bad for the pro BD folks when even CNET abandons them.
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CNET has not abandoned bd.
One guy says one opinion about bd not being as significant breakthrough than dvd and you think the whole CBS is against bd?
Did you even watch the clip?
Bd was the least doomed of the 5.
These clips should be fun and not taken seriously.
Or do you really agree that 3d will not prevail?
I'm sure that every display is goggless-3d before streaming is more popular than bd.
ITC-production advances in generations and there's no reason to stop now.
Mass production went from cd-players to dvd-players and next nobody's buying dvd-players anymore, when they can buy bd-player with the same price. Same goes for 3g/4g-phones, 2d/3d-screens etc.

Anyway these comparisons to betamax and laserdiscs are funny in that way that if you look at bd's success bd is the vhs and streaming/downloading is the betamax/laserdisc in popularity.

Do you also think that Windows is doomed and nobody uses it in 2020 because macs' global market share has risen one per mil per year since the first imac?
 
toke lahti said:
Anyway these comparisons to betamax and laserdiscs are funny in that way that if you look at bd's success bd is the vhs and streaming/downloading is the betamax/laserdisc in popularity.
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Once again, I am not against the option for BD or BD at all. I watch BD movies on my dedicated BD player in my home theater - the way movies should be watched. I don't go to AMC and expect to be handed a 15" Windows laptop to watch the latest feature.

toke lahti said:
Do you also think that Windows is doomed and nobody uses it in 2020 because macs' global market share has risen one per mil per year since the first imac?
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Not necessary to entertain that thought. The only windows I care about requires Windex to function properly.
 
linux2mac said:
Once again, I am not against the option for BD or BD at all. I watch BD movies on my dedicated BD player in my home theater - the way movies should be watched. I don't go to AMC and expect to be handed a 15" Windows laptop to watch the latest feature.
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Can you please get your story straight, how do you watch BD movies if the optical format is dead? I am utterly amazed that you are so incapable of understanding that many people would want the option to watch BD on both. I know a couple college students that would have bough a mac but instead bought windows for the ability to watch BD dics they already own.

linux2mac said:
Not necessary to entertain that thought. The only windows I care about requires Windex to function properly.
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Too bad 95% or so of the market does not feel the same way :p
 
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