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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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linux2mac said:
I agree things must be bad for the pro BD folks when even CNET abandons them.
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CNET is not against bd. One guy said one opinion about bd not being as significant breakthrough than dvd and you think that wholse CBS is against bd?

Did you even watch the clip?
Bd was the least doomed of the 5.

ITC-tech advances in generations.
Cd-players were replaced by dvd-players that are now replaced with bd-players.
All 2d displays will be eventually replaced with 3d screens. Just like crt was replaced.
2g phones are replaced by 3g, which are replaced by 4g.
Why this would stop now?

Do you also think that Windows is doomed and in 2020 nobody uses it?
Because macs' worldwide share is increasing one per mil per year since millenium?

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linux2mac said:
I watch BD movies on my dedicated BD player in my home theater - the way movies should be watched.
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So after you have found out the only right way to watch movies, you are just protecting others from watching movies in a wrong way?

Still, you should try to understand the definition of "angle of view" and after that you could think about the need for resolution in screens with all sizes.
 
Do you ever get tired of moving the goalposts?

linux2mac said:
I wonder how that 95% feels now. :eek:

Tons of Computers Still Infected With Conficker Worm, Apparently
http://gizmodo.com/5745533/tons-of-computers-still-infected-with-conficker-worm-apparently
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Sad attempt to derail the topic - rather than acknowledge the fact that viewing angle, not absolute screen size, is the important factor in determining whether true 1080p's advantages are visible to the viewer.

BD haters gotta' hate.
 
AidenShaw said:
Sad attempt to derail the topic - rather than acknowledge the fact that viewing angle, not absolute screen size, is the important factor in determining whether true 1080p's advantages are visible to the viewer.

BD haters gotta' hate.
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I have no idea who you are referring to as "haters" as I very much enjoy BD - in my home theater. If Apple included BD in Macs, I would not enjoy BD on a 13" MBP screen, a 15" MBP screen, or a 27" iMac screen. When you are used to steak, its hard to go back to hamburger :)
 
I can't stand McDonalds either, but I was on a long documentary shoot a few months ago, by the end of the day that nearby McDonalds was very tasty.

While viewing BD on a home cinema system is ideal, there are many times when it is beneficial to have the ability to connect it to a more powerful computer system.for example screenshots? I was looking at a DOPs mood boards today, they were made up of images he had scanned from a book and screenshots from DVDs. How would he take those screenshots from a bluray?
Also, I had to give a presentation last week and show clips from a few other films to give a flavour of what we were going for. To queue up the clips, I ripped them from DVD, edited them to the relevant portions and then used that.

How could I do any of those things on a blurayless mac?

Yes watching a film will usually be done on a home theaters system, but what about tasks other than just watching? It seems odd that it is still possible to connect a VHS to a mac, but not bluray.
 
lPHONE said:
I want FireWire ports back! :mad:
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Yeah... Steve doesn't really do that anymore. By "that" I mean add things.

I know what he wants for the portable line. No ports, no optical disk slot, hidden vents - it won't even have a magsafe port because it will charge on an inductive mat. Headphone port? Bluetooth. Ethernet? Wireless. USB for flash drives? Nope, in the cloud. :(
 
iEdd said:
Yeah... Steve doesn't really do that anymore. By "that" I mean add things.

I know what he wants for the portable line. No ports, no optical disk slot, hidden vents - it won't even have a magsafe port because it will charge on an inductive mat. Headphone port? Bluetooth. Ethernet? Wireless. USB for flash drives? Nope, in the cloud. :(
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The Steve is being really retarded these days... There's literally thousands of people demanding Blue-ray and thousands of people demanding FireWire but he doesn't listen to his userbase. The guy is seriously driving me crazy. I don't give a damn about thin laptops, or even blue-ray- but when the people want something, doesn't it make sense to give them something they'll buy? :mad:

Steve thinks no one will use Blue-Ray or Firewire in the future, therefore the Macs of today don't need it. Sadly, they won't even live that long to see it.
 
At least almost all Macs still have FireWire I spose. Unlike Blu-ray where there's nothing, unless you can bear Windows, which I can't.
 
linux2mac said:
When you are used to steak, its hard to go back to hamburger :)
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Exactly! That's why I loathe iTunes and crappy downloads. I'm already spoiled by steaks (= BD 1080p).

Unfortunately Apple has turned into MacDonalds by offering only hamburgers.
And even worse: They won't let me do my home-cooked steak on my Mac without investing into an external drive and a copy of competitor Adobe''s Premiere.
And f I want to check if said steak is well done, I cannot do it without that dreadful excuse of an OS named Windoze installed.

But at least their drive-thrus (Apple Stores) look like fancy restaurants...
 
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linux2mac said:
I have no idea who you are referring to as "haters" as I very much enjoy BD - in my home theater. If Apple included BD in Macs, I would not enjoy BD on a 13" MBP screen, a 15" MBP screen, or a 27" iMac screen.
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Still, you should try to understand the definition of "angle of view" and after that you could think about the need for resolution in screens with all sizes.
 
AidenShaw said:
If the Apple has a Core 2 CPU, it doesn't seem odd that it supports VHS. Both are outdated technologies....

;)
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That's okay, I will still take my Blu-ray less Mac and old C2D chip over buggy Windows and PC's ;)

BTW - I just got another Mac convert to buy a refurbished C2D iMac from Apple online. To be fair, I pointed out that BD was not included like Windows. They didn't care because they wanted a computer that "just works."

toke lahti said:
Still, you should try to understand the definition of "angle of view" and after that you could think about the need for resolution in screens with all sizes.
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Does that apply when in flight with laptop on the tray table in front of me? Will I need to bring a riser in my carry on (I am a tall guy)?
 
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karsten said:
i think both blu ray and dvd will coexist for some time. due to the physical disc compatibility there isn't a huge motivation to drop the predecessor like there was going from tapes say to cd. those that want a higher image will get the blu ray on their hi def tv's and those that are content with dvd will stick with that and not see a need to upgrade. i dont think dvd has to die necessarily for blu ray to have a successful future.

only when 1080p sets are standard and blu ray players are the only devices that are made will dvd's probably be phased out. but that's a long way from happening, as there's a lot of people who are still using tube tv's where dvd is fine and blu ray is irrelevant and will probably skip the whole first phase of widespread flat panel adoption, and only upgrade when their set eventually dies a few years down the road.
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On the flip side, we've all seen DVD players selling for under $20, and there isn't going to be any more innovation in DVD players (such as 3D). It's a dead, commodity product. Who in their right mind is going to launch a new line of DVD players?

Rather, we've already seen Blu-Ray players drop below $100 while continuing to add innovative new features. More likely, when someone needs to replace an old DVD player they will buy a Blu-Ray player even if they don't buy any Blu-Rays at first.
 
MacNewsFix said:
Pretty bad when even CNET puts Blu-Ray "somewhere just north Laserdisk."

*sad trombone*

Oh well, at least they didn't call it the new 8-track. :p

http://cnettv.cnet.com/doomed-technologies/9742-1_53-50099215.html?tag=api
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The exact quote is:

"I think Blu-Ray falls somewhere north of Laser Disc, but around paragraph 9 of the history of home video".

That's a lot different than what YOU heard in your biased mind, that it's "JUST ABOVE Laser Disc".

Clearly, his statement says it's not a disaster like LD (and that's clear because Blu-Ray is outpacing DVD sales at the same points in their history).

First, no format has ever been successful as DVD, so it's not a shame to say something will never be as successful as DVD, when nothing was as successful before it either.

And finally, Brian Cooley, really? He was at CNet when Ryan Seacrest and Hari Sreenivasan were still there, and they've both moved on to more successful (and very different) careers.
 
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If BD haters get what they want, I guess we can kiss a future 4K video format goodbye too. We'll be stuck like we are with CDs being the "ultimate" at 16bit.

Always sad to be tracking technology progress and then see it trend backward.
 
Hey, now that Steve Jobs has temporarily left the building, now they can slip in bluray drives on Macs!

I'd love a Bluray-writer for my iMac. So much capacity! Could really do with that for backups and work. Would be better than sending packages of 5xDVD9 all the time!
 
janstett said:
The exact quote is:

"I think Blu-Ray falls somewhere north of Laser Disc, but around paragraph 9 of the history of home video".

That's a lot different than what YOU heard in your biased mind, that it's "JUST ABOVE Laser Disc".

Clearly, his statement says it's not a disaster like LD (and that's clear because Blu-Ray is outpacing DVD sales at the same points in their history).

First, no format has ever been successful as DVD, so it's not a shame to say something will never be as successful as DVD, when nothing was as successful before it either.

And finally, Brian Cooley, really? He was at CNet when Ryan Seacrest was still there.
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Well.....obviously, even CNET sees the BIG picture. It's pretty bad when people have to resort to nit picking grammar and context as the only strength in their argument. The bottom line is, BD was mentioned in the top 5 doomed technologies by a non Apple "fanboy" website. I am sure that is just driving the Apple haters nuts. :D It doesn't matter whether it was mentioned as number one or number five - it's still doomed.

BTW- I am still not opposed to BD and I never was. I am not opposed to Steve Jobs (for those that don't know what "SJ" is) offering BD as an option either.
 
linux2mac said:
Well.....obviously, even CNET sees the BIG picture. It's pretty bad when people have to resort to nit picking grammar and context as the only strength in their argument. The bottom line is, BD was mentioned in the top 5 doomed technologies by a non Apple "fanboy" website. I am sure that is just driving the Apple haters nuts. :D It doesn't matter whether it was mentioned as number one or number five - it's still doomed.

BTW- I am still not opposed to BD and I never was. I am not opposed to Steve Jobs (for those that don't know what "SJ" is) offering BD as an option either.
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Many people also say the Mac is doomed.

FWIW Cooley is talking out his ass, so really you'll have to do better than him to convince anybody Blu-Ray is doomed. Because the sales figures and growth of the format certainly do not spell doom. And Brian Cooley is most definitely not an industry sage; point me to something he successfully prognosticated.
 
linux2mac said:
I have no idea who you are referring to as "haters" as I very much enjoy BD - in my home theater. If Apple included BD in Macs, I would not enjoy BD on a 13" MBP screen, a 15" MBP screen, or a 27" iMac screen. When you are used to steak, its hard to go back to hamburger :)
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Yet you watch movies on a 3" iPhone screen.

Only the extremes for this extremist.
 
linux2mac said:
Well.....obviously, even CNET sees the BIG picture. It's pretty bad when people have to resort to nit picking grammar and context as the only strength in their argument. The bottom line is, BD was mentioned in the top 5 doomed technologies by a non Apple "fanboy" website. I am sure that is just driving the Apple haters nuts. :D It doesn't matter whether it was mentioned as number one or number five - it's still doomed.
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Some guy writing for some website really doesn't make an opinion a fact. Year-on-year unit sales increases and revenue increases kind of are facts though.

Sure, you can say pretty much any technology is 'doomed' if you predict what will replace it and make it sound credible, but at that point it's a bit meaningless. Hard disks are doomed. LCD displays are doomed. the current range of intel CPUs are doomed. Whatever.
 
janstett said:
The exact quote is:

"I think Blu-Ray falls somewhere north of Laser Disc, but around paragraph 9 of the history of home video".

That's a lot different than what YOU heard in your biased mind, that it's "JUST ABOVE Laser Disc".

Clearly, his statement says it's not a disaster like LD (and that's clear because Blu-Ray is outpacing DVD sales at the same points in their history).

First, no format has ever been successful as DVD, so it's not a shame to say something will never be as successful as DVD, when nothing was as successful before it either.

And finally, Brian Cooley, really? He was at CNet when Ryan Seacrest and Hari Sreenivasan were still there, and they've both moved on to more successful (and very different) careers.
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"I think Blu-Ray falls somewhere north of Laser Disc, but around paragraph 9 of the history of home video".

Yes, that sounds like a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one. When someone includes you in a top 5 list of doomed technologies, that's never good.

Also, why the hate on Brian Cooley? Wow! Do you even know if Cooley writes the top 5 list and that it is only his opinion? I'd be shocked if none of the higher-ups at CNET/CBS reviewed the video prior to being posted. What do they have to lose? Ads from the likes of Sony and others in the BD industry are only their bread and butter.

As for why Cooley is still at CNET, perhaps he just is actually committed to tech and not about the possibility of hosting reality TV. LOL
 
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