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Speak for yourself please. I don't plan on being in either place. Seriously, enough already. If you are that miserable divest your Macs and move on. I find your comments offensive and don't appreciate them.

I included three places. ALL possible possibilities.

Read thoroughly or ignore thoroughly.
 
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Speak for yourself please. I don't plan on being in either place. Seriously, enough already. If you are that miserable divest your Macs and move on. I find your comments offensive and don't appreciate them.

Fine. Have it your way then. I rescind my wishes we all make it in the cloud.

Only those who agree with me. The rest, I wish the equal and opposite fate or my third option, oblivion.

Happy now?

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Hopefully, Steve will soon be in the cloud. Then Apple can finally do what it should have done years ago.



When Steve has left the planet, probably.



EVEN IDIOTS WILL NOT LONG BUY TOP OF THE LINE COMPUTERS FROM TOY PHONEMAKERS.

And you can quote me on that.

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I'm a certified idiot. Just ask the wife. I'll not buy another Mac if Apple continues down its current path.
 
...I don't want ANY optical drive and for the two times I put a DVD into my "Superdrive", I'd rather have a 2nd SSD or hard drive, instead of that stupid and humongous optical drive.
So why don't you just take the superdrive out, buy a caddy for sdd/hdd and sdd/hdd and put it inside?
At least with external optical drive you can do the same than with internal superdrive. Not the same with external bd-drive...
 
No. DVD sales are down, Blu-ray sales are up. Physical sales still account for more than sales of downloads.

for now...

I'd be surprised if I saw a BR disc drive on any Mac.

I'd actually expect to see, just as on the MacBook Air, Apple to start getting rid of built-in optical drives (the Mini already has a config without one).
 
for now...

I'd be surprised if I saw a BR disc drive on any Mac.

I'd actually expect to see, just as on the MacBook Air, Apple to start getting rid of built-in optical drives (the Mini already has a config without one).

I'd be surprised to - Steve Jobs is waiting it out; time is on his side but the question is if his ideas wish to advance forward he needs to make the purchasing of movies via iTunes a global thing and not just a few countries.

The reason why bluray sales are up - I can go into any store and purchase one where as I log onto iTunes and I can not purchase the movies in my country.
 
that's only part of Itunes' problem

The reason why bluray sales are up - I can go into any store and purchase one where as I log onto iTunes and I can not purchase the movies in my country.

...and don't forget that the Itunes movie will be a horribly compressed 720p copy, without extras, without menus and without 7.1 uncompressed audio.

In other words, a bunch of crap that's basically the same price as the TrueHD good audio version available almost anywhere.

If Microsoft or Google or Amazon were pushing horribly compressed DRM infested low quality video/audio downloads, and Apple supported pristine high definition video and audio - OMG how the fans would wail.

But since it's Apple pushing crap, the fans are arguing that quality does not count. So predictable.
 
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...and don't forget that the Itunes movie will be a horribly compressed 720p copy, without extras, without menus and without 7.1 uncompressed audio.

In other words, a bunch of crap that's basically the same price as the TrueHD good audio version available almost anywhere.

If Microsoft or Google or Amazon were pushing horribly compressed DRM infested low quality video/audio downloads, and Apple supported pristine high definition video and audio - OMG how the fans would wail.

But since it's Apple pushing crap, the fans are arguing that quality does not count. So predictable.

I wouldn't mind it if it were substantially cheaper than the physical media but there is a reason I don't purchase iTunes music on line - because I'm getting an inferior product and paying the same amount, in some cases more, than the physical copy I can purchase from the local music store.

Some people will claim there is no 'audible' difference given the high bit rate but for me it is the principle of the thing - why should I pay the same amount for an inferior product?
 
Well, the public has spoken, no physical media for them, they prefer downloads (I guess most haven't experienced "The Kindle Syndrome"... :eek:)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20030627-261.html

Nobody's "preferring" anything. The article already has a very weak premise, that the decline of DVD sales is due to Netflix. Already shoddy journalism. You magnify the error by pretending that Netflix doesn't rent DVDs through the mail and is completely succeeding on streaming for its revenue.

It's just more proof that CNet's "journalism" is trash.
 
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Yes, DVD and CD burner/reader/player...I don't want ANY optical drive and for the two times I put a DVD into my "Superdrive", I'd rather have a 2nd SSD or hard drive, instead of that stupid and humongous optical drive.

That's why I like what it says on MacBook Air section of Apple's website. "The future of MacBooks". I hope they follow through and make the optical drives OPTIONAL, such as is the case with the Mac mini. ;-)

Long ago Apple would have been wise to adopt a modular bay architecture like on Thinkpads so you could hot swap in any accessory you wanted -- a 2nd battery, an optical drive, a 2nd hard drive. Then again Apple doesn't even give you access to the battery in some models so why should anybody expect 2nd bay functionality. Let alone a dock architecture (pretty amateurish that the MacBook needs all these separate connectors and dongles to live in a desktop environment).

I personally swapped a 2nd hard drive into my unibody MacBook Pro. I probably wouldn't have if there were a Blu-Ray drive available. But even if I didn't I would have it externally.
 
I wouldn't mind it if it were substantially cheaper than the physical media but there is a reason I don't purchase iTunes music on line - because I'm getting an inferior product and paying the same amount, in some cases more, than the physical copy I can purchase from the local music store.

Some people will claim there is no 'audible' difference given the high bit rate but for me it is the principle of the thing - why should I pay the same amount for an inferior product?

I can imagine your outrage when books went from being made out of sheepskin to being made out of cotton fibre. You must have gone through the roof when books began to be made out of high acid wood pulp.:D

I'm perfectly fine with the quality of most streamed Netflix movies. The lack of subtitles is the biggest problem and Starz insistence on dubbing movies is really, really annoying. Do I need every movie I watch to be of superior audio/visual quality? Not if it's a TV show or a "watch only once" type of movie.

There are always going to be audio/visual purists who will complain their eyeballs are being burnt out if they have to watch anything than "the best". So what, y'all inhabit a teeny, tiny space on the planet. If you want your outrageously expensive options, that's fine, but most people just want to kick back and veg.
 
I'm perfectly fine with the quality of most streamed Netflix movies. The lack of subtitles is the biggest problem and Starz insistence on dubbing movies is really, really annoying. Do I need every movie I watch to be of superior audio/visual quality? Not if it's a TV show or a "watch only once" type of movie.

There are always going to be audio/visual purists who will complain their eyeballs are being burnt out if they have to watch anything than "the best". So what, y'all inhabit a teeny, tiny space on the planet. If you want your outrageously expensive options, that's fine, but most people just want to kick back and veg.

I'm sure most Blu-ray fans still watch plenty of DVDs or even streamed video too. That's not really the point. I enjoy some cheap fast food as much as the next person, but I don't want to be limited to eating rubbish all the time either.

Also, if Blu-ray was limited to only "audio/visual purists..." then the format wouldn't be selling so many copies of new titles, it seems like you're just swallowing the disingenuous Jobs argument that BD is niche, which wasn't true when he said it, but even less so now.
 
I can imagine your outrage when books went from being made out of sheepskin to being made out of cotton fibre. You must have gone through the roof when books began to be made out of high acid wood pulp.:D

I'm perfectly fine with the quality of most streamed Netflix movies. The lack of subtitles is the biggest problem and Starz insistence on dubbing movies is really, really annoying. Do I need every movie I watch to be of superior audio/visual quality? Not if it's a TV show or a "watch only once" type of movie.
There are always going to be audio/visual purists who will complain their eyeballs are being burnt out if they have to watch anything than "the best". So what, y'all inhabit a teeny, tiny space on the planet. If you want your outrageously expensive options, that's fine, but most people just want to kick back and veg.

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There are always going to be audio/visual purists who will complain their eyeballs are being burnt out if they have to watch anything than "the best". So what, y'all inhabit a teeny, tiny space on the planet. If you want your outrageously expensive options, that's fine, but most people just want to kick back and veg.

the problem is that the industry simply don't get that there is no "customer a" vs "customer type b" situation
i buy blu ray discs of my favourite movies yet i still also buy dvds of older tv shows and download tv shows off the internet (show me a legal alternative .. "this content isn't available in your country" has already become a popular catchphrase printed on t-shirts around here)
and that behaviour is totally normal in todays younger generation

also: streaming/on-demand prices:
3-4 euro for a movie stream with dvd quality or heavily compressed 720p ? without optional subtitles, surround sound or multiple sound: only the german dubbed version :rolleyes:
meanwhile for 0,8 to 2 euro tops i can borrow DVDs or Blu rays for a day

i know many young people my age who have no problem buying hundreds of movies and downloaded stuff of the internet gigabyte wise but still refuse to pay for on-demand,pay-tv,streaming etc.

for comical anecdotes: even my mother watches blu rays on her new laptop (and non-official downloads btw) and talks about the picture quality improvement towards her friends ... and if my mother does something then i'm pretty safe to say that the technology has already arrived in the homes
 
Nobody's "preferring" anything. The article already has a very weak premise, that the decline of DVD sales is due to Netflix. Already shoddy journalism. You magnify the error by pretending that Netflix doesn't rent DVDs through the mail and is completely succeeding on streaming for its revenue.

It's just more proof that CNet's "journalism" is trash.

Oh really???

Apple just "preferred" everyone to download Mac Apps, doing away with boxed retail copies... :eek:

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/07/apple-to-eliminate-retail-box-software-inventory/

Next step, optical drives...
 
I can imagine your outrage when books went from being made out of sheepskin to being made out of cotton fibre. You must have gone through the roof when books began to be made out of high acid wood pulp.:D

The two aren't even comparable because reading it on paper change in no way the quality of the story itself or the readability of the text - in the other hand when you compress a piece of audio from lossless to lossy something is going to be lost - as I've said, if there was a corresponding price drop then I'd be happy to pay that price just as I'm sure there was a price drop and higher availability with the movement to paper as given in your example.

I'm perfectly fine with the quality of most streamed Netflix movies. The lack of subtitles is the biggest problem and Starz insistence on dubbing movies is really, really annoying. Do I need every movie I watch to be of superior audio/visual quality? Not if it's a TV show or a "watch only once" type of movie.

There are always going to be audio/visual purists who will complain their eyeballs are being burnt out if they have to watch anything than "the best". So what, y'all inhabit a teeny, tiny space on the planet. If you want your outrageously expensive options, that's fine, but most people just want to kick back and veg.

I'm no visual purist but for many here they view these videos on bigass screens where the distortion is more obvious than if you viewed it on a laptop screen - that is the big problem. For me I have no problems with the current download way of doing things but I do expect a discount because one is not getting it on a physical media and it is of slight lower quality.

As for BluRay, people aren't demanding it to be by default but it would be nice as an option. I don't see anything wrong in Apple at least providing it as an option even if it means as an external drive on laptops. The point being made is that it is about choice, the ability to choose and decide for oneself and not at the behest of Steve Jobs ego.

Apple is removing physical media as the push towards the cloud... hmmmm...

It's just another way for them to push you into a cage and take a 1/3 cut of developer sales.

How are you being pushed into a cage given that you'll still be able to buy and install applications from third parties; right now Adobe offers their Suite on offer as a download if you want. Sure, it weighs in at a hefty 9GB or so but if you want it then it is most certainly there - and worse case scenario purchase a USB optical drive. I know since I've bought this MacBook Pro the number of times I've used my optical drive probably measures in at a dozen at max.
 
Apple is removing physical media as the push towards the cloud... hmmmm...

It's just another way for them to push you into a cage and take a 1/3 cut of developer sales.

Regardless, it saves me a trip to Apple Store or waiting for Amazon to deliver my applications. Now I can have them instantly - like my movies.
 
Regardless, it saves me a trip to Apple Store or waiting for Amazon to deliver my applications. Now I can have them instantly - like my movies.

The shackles of convenience! ;)


How are you being pushed into a cage given that you'll still be able to buy and install applications from third parties;

It's just a gut feeling. The iOS store is only through apple - and thus, only through their censors and approval process. The Mac OS is becoming more like iOS which we can all see in previews of 10.7.

I offer no proof other than what Apple has done and appears to be doing in their own software demos.


Sure, it weighs in at a hefty 9GB or so but if you want it then it is most certainly there - and worse case scenario purchase a USB optical drive.

yes, we often buy external hard drives to make up for the lack of space on our internal drives. If Apple is going to SSD's (which I suspect) it will mean smaller hard drive sizes for the near future.

I know since I've bought this MacBook Pro the number of times I've used my optical drive probably measures in at a dozen at max.

Let's not pretend you or I are a metric for people as a whole.
 
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