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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Ripped meaning bought movies they were ripped. And download can also mean digital downloads that come with blurays.
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But you said that you sold all your BDs and DVDs - your digital copies aren't legal.
What a nob!
He wants to prevent people from having the ability to choose to have a popular media format work out of the box with their mac products NOW and yet he forces his customers to give up firewire on their laptops to make room for a connector to which NO affordable peripherals can attach, and which only maybe available in the next few years, if USB3 doesn't repeat the trashing USB2 did to firewire?? Yeah.. he's trying to protect the itunes revenue stream. I think the Department of Justice ought to investigate whether the itunes store should be separated properly from Apple Computers Inc on the grounds that together they are anticompetitive and limiting consumer choice. AT&T was broken up.. maybe so should Apple as its getting too big and powerful.
He wants to prevent people from having the ability to choose to have a popular media format work out of the box with their mac products NOW and yet he forces his customers to give up firewire on their laptops to make room for a connector to which NO affordable peripherals can attach, and which only maybe available in the next few years, if USB3 doesn't repeat the trashing USB2 did to firewire?? Yeah.. he's trying to protect the itunes revenue stream. I think the Department of Justice ought to investigate whether the itunes store should be separated properly from Apple Computers Inc on the grounds that together they are anticompetitive and limiting consumer choice. AT&T was broken up.. maybe so should Apple as its getting too big and powerful.
I think the issue here is about buying, ripping and then selling the movie, while keeping the ripped copy, and the legality of that copy.
So you've had a personal conversation with Steve I take it?
Two things. First, is it really a bad thing if Blu-ray 'only' has a viable format lifespan of VHS (which was about 30yrs)? Second, Blu-ray player and disc sales far out reach
TV and iTMS movie/TV show sales & rental numbers.It's unlawful to buy a movie, rip it, get rid of the physical copy. When you get rid of the physical copy you are supposed to delete the rip.
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Even ripping the movie is questionable, although many of us rationalize it as falling under the "fair use" umbrella. (I do.)
Clearly though, if you sell the BD/DVD you have no claim under fair use to keep the rip.
The ripping clearly violates the DMCA but, IMHO, it's a justifiable act of civil disobedience because the DMCA was pushed through by lobbyists as an end-run around 20yrs of legal precedent in the US (namely the 'Betamax Case' and the 'Diamond Rio Case'). We have the legal right to space and/or time shift media we own (or media that was broadcast) for personal use yet the DMCA makes it illegal to break the copy protection which prevents us from space and/or time shifting said media. It's total BS. It's like telling people they have the right to vote but not the right to unlock the door to the voting booth.
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It's gotten very quiet since several of us pointed out that selling the physical disk sells whatever rights you may have had to a "fair use" digital copy. (or at least questioned it)
I guess that it wasn't a "good game" after all.
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That's sometimes the way Apple works
If the DVD experience is a clue, before too long "DVD-CD" combo drives will become more expensive than "BD-DVD-CD" drives.
At that point, the almighty doctrine of "profit margin" will bring BD to Apples.
Apple stuck with "Core" (not "Core 2") CPUs in the MiniMacs until Intel EOL'd the "Core" CPUs. We'll see Blu-ray in Apples when it becomes more expensive to use non-BD drives.
Sad. It's not what gives the customers the best experience - it's what sucks the most money out of the customers' pockets.
Ha, ha - how long ago was this?
Gosh, with how long this has gone on and with price drops, I'd assume around $60...
If the DVD experience is a clue, before too long "DVD-CD" combo drives will become more expensive than "BD-DVD-CD" drives.
At that point, the almighty doctrine of "profit margin" will bring BD to Apples.
Apple stuck with "Core" (not "Core 2") CPUs in the MiniMacs until Intel EOL'd the "Core" CPUs. We'll see Blu-ray in Apples when it becomes more expensive to use non-BD drives.
Sad. It's not what gives the customers the best experience - it's what sucks the most money out of the customers' pockets.
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Agree with all of that. The last sentence is every large company, so I take most everything from: MS, Apple, Sony etc.. with a grain of salt.
Thread is still going strong, I figured by now it would have went into oblivion. Both sides make good points, I still stand by physical will be around for many years to come and streaming will be an option as well. All of it will co-exist for many years as well.
I take extremely good care of my equipment and always have. I still have working computers from 25 years ago. I still have my first computer, an Atari 600XL, and it still works. So I think you need to rethink your assumption that I'm somehow abusing my equipment.
I have high end requirements and my machines get USED long, hard, and often. At this very moment I have four machines at my desk all pounding away on a task.
My power system is filtered and every single thing is surge protected, yet still both my Mac Mini and MacBook Pro (on two separate occasions) got fried. The Mini fried the logic board apparently due to heat soak, and it was left on 24/7 for a long time as a download box and general purpose machine for my wife, but it was clean and adequately ventilated. The MacBook Pro similarly experienced a fan failure and the GPU overheated. There's also nothing I did that caused the first nVidia 8800GT in my Mac Pro to fail. None of this is my fault.
If you've never experienced a hardware failure, you aren't using your machines hard enough or long enough. It's a question of "when", not "if".
Some people have low standards or just don't know any better, I guess
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Some people have low standards or just don't know any better, I guess
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Look at all the people still using Windows, they "just don't know any better." That's why I left Windows and PC's for Macs. Even though my Macs lack BD, I'll take a cutting edge machine and OS over a certain type of optical drive any day. That's why I have a dedicated BD player and my PS3. Speaking of the PS3, I feel bad for the Europeans right now who can't get a PS3 due to the LG BD lawsuit. You guys have to admit, it is funny that Blu-ray is a "bag of hurt" to its own inventors. LOL
I know better. I run all my 3d apps on Windows now. Everything is so much faster it's ridiculous.
You're a little behind the times again:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/10/court-rules-in-sonys-favor-against-lg-playstation-3-free-to-en/
The patent fight rages on, but PS3's aren't being stopped from shipping in Europe anymore and LG has to pay some court costs.
Step 1: Wait for Steve Jobs to speak
Step 2: repeat what he says over and over
Step 3: there's no step 3... there's no step 3!
Oh, they'll use the BD-DVD-CD drives if they're cheaper - the system won't be able to read BD's as the OS won't support it.
It happened to something somewhere (don't remember - was years back) where the system didn't support DVD-RAM's, but they used Panasonic drives which obviously reads them. The company didn't want to support DVD-RAM's so putting one in the drive did nothing, even if the drive supported it.
Well, I did it, I just bought a Blu-ray drive (writer, I have some HD video footage I want to burn) for my mac this week, and it's working out great so far. All I really want is to be able to direct playback BD movies sometimes, and it seems like MakeMKV and VLC are making that (mostly) happen. I've tried a few discs and so far I've been able to use MakeMKV to stream the movies to VLC in about 9 out of 10 circumstances.
I'm still undecided whether I'll spend the money on a full MakeMKV license or go the Windows bootcamp route. I still hate that Apple are making me go through this hassle when I believe they probably have the OS support written and waiting just in case they decide to include it one day.
Incidentally the difference in quality between DVD and BD even on my current 1680x1050 20 inch display is so obvious I am seriously worried about some people's eyesight.
I'm still undecided whether I'll spend the money on a full MakeMKV license or go the Windows bootcamp route. I still hate that Apple are making me go through this hassle when I believe they probably have the OS support written and waiting just in case they decide to include it one day.
Incidentally the difference in quality between DVD and BD even on my current 1680x1050 20 inch display is so obvious I am seriously worried about some people's eyesight.
What I find "ridiculous" is the thought of working at my PC wearing 3D glasses. Got a pic to post? LOL
DOH! You got me. However, that is great news!! I would hate it if lived in Europe and the only machine I could buy was a Windows based one. I would defect for sure.
step 1: Wait for steve jobs to speak
step 2: Repeat what he says over and over
step 3: There's no step 3... There's no step 3!
LOL
It's very noticeable. I noticed the difference too on my "17 Macbook Pro.
As for converting your BD movies, you're better off with VMware Fusion + AnyDVD HD and AnotherEAC3to GUI (it does the same job as MakeMKV, expect it also losslessly converts TrueHD/DTS-HD to FLAC):
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17002
Enjoy HD in all its glory!!
Actually just the opposite. They don't design for what those with all the money in the world would buy. If they did, they would throw it all in everything. You want 10MP cameras in that ipad 2. so what if they would raise the cost $200. They are in. You want a retina display in that ipad even though that would raise the cost $500. So what, that's what you want. You want GSM and CDMA in one ipad plus LTE despite there being maybe 2 cities it will work in, even though that would raise the price $350. You got it
They design for the common man, putting in only what they feel services the needs of that group. Because that group is the largest. If something really isn't going to matter to that group it isn't included. Take for example the PCI slots that used to be on their 15 inch laptops. The only real reason for a blank slot was business users. but they may have had enough data to feel comfortable with the conclusion that a strong majority of business users were buying 17 inch laptops. And the major, if not only, use the 'commoners' would have for that slot is putting in an SD reader. So they simply put in the reader to spare the trouble. And their sales likely haven't gone down to a point where they are forced to declare that move a mistake so it is likely to stay that way. Even though there are a few business users (myself included) that would have rather bought a 15 inch laptop.
Do you know what "3D applications" are? Very few of them involve special glasses - but *all* of them benefit from state of the art CPUs and GPUs.
You mean "PC card" or "Express Card", right? The only laptops that supported PCI cards that I know of were un-Apple laptops with docking stations that had PCI slots.
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I don't work in steroscopic productions. I'm talking about Open GL performance in a viewport of programs like Maya or Cinema 4d.
Although Maya has steroscopic support: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFsGSBk9JSE
If one is so inclined, one could get active shutter glasses:
or even go old school and work with 1950's style red and blue:
No way, mang. iPods and AppleTV are for the common man, but iPads and most everything else are not. There's a reason they came up with the "Apple Tax" thing.
You seem like a smart guy so I'm sure you understand that Jobs doesn't have all the control here. The labels do. And they haven't wanted higher quality files because they still believed that physical disks were the way to go. This change could have less to do with Steve and Apple and more with the labels figuring out that they were wrong. Digital can be highly viable. Plus Apple may have some leverage they can use over them. Like the end of a contract. Perhaps if the labels want to keep their pricing control they will have to up the quality they allow in the stores.
This is assuming those articles, most of which are still in the realm of rumors, are correct.
As for video, Jobs never said that there wasn't a place for high quality digital video and I'm sure he's working on it or monitoring those that are. Jobs seems to believe that once a proper digital format is available and the studios buy into it, physical disks will quickly slide. I know myself and a lot of friends are waiting for the day we can get something even 80% as good as a blu-ray disk through a download. But even without that we tend to still buy our movies as downloads. 720p is fine for many flicks. We only buy on actual blu-rays the big big titles. Like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings etc. I myself have perhaps six blu-ray titles, but my digital collection has an easy 100 movies that I actually bought (not the freebies that came with those or other disks)
I suspect if they did investigate they would drop it rather quickly on the grounds that you can use the itunes stores on more than just Macs and use other stores on your mac.
So it isn't like they are forcing you to only buy from them. You can go to Amazon, etc if you like
And even if they did force the itunes stores to separate, it doesn't mean that it would have any effect on whether there is Blu-ray drives or playback support in Macs
Or they just stop putting optical drives in their computers at all.
Remember there is no legal mandate to put some kind of optical drive in your systems. So Apple still has a choice in the matter.
Sorry but you are the one that is wrong. Macbooks are clearly for the common man. They do a Back to School sale every year to those 'common' college students, sending thousands of 13 and 15 inch computers out into the world. Flash not included on the ipad, that's straight up cause the common folks don't spend all their time on Flash intensive sites or won't be bothered by having to download an app instead. Only the power geeks complain about being told how to do something.
And the Apple Tax is a myth. You and everyone else spouting off that one are doing it based on component prices only but you forget about patent licensing or simply the fact that Apple uses the rest of the money to support their stores and things like those free Genius bar appointments for folks that don't have AppleCare, those free workshops etc. They are not making hundreds and hundreds of dollars on every machine sold. Perhaps not even $100 in some cases.
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