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settle down... i'm not trying to argue with you just bringing another point of view for you to consider.

blu-ray sales are up year over year, month over month, but overall DISC sales are still down. (this means more people are buying blurays than before, but the market as a whole is declining) I never said bluray was doomed, just that the lack of a bluray drive in macs is obviously not having an affect on sales, therefore you can conclude it's not a "deal breaker" for MOST consumers.


Not a deal breaker to me, and not a deal breaker to many as macs increased sales 23% while PC sales declined 0.6% over the same period. If bluray was a huge deal to your average consumer there would be more people buying PC's w/ bluray than macs.

I never said they would chose bluray over dvd... but obviously it's not a "deal breaker" I don't think you are understanding what that means. Yeah some people may be upset by the lack of bluray, they may want bluray, but it's not a big enough deal to affect their purchases of computers. Numbers don't lie..

I don't care, I would love to see bluray in a mac... i even said i support bluray, guess my footnote didn't help you to see past the fact you just want to argue. Simple fact is we can complain about bluray all we want.... Apple is showing absolutely NO evidence of adding bluray, in fact they seem to be making a move away from optical media all together. There may be some who don't like it, but that doesn't change the situation.





yeah your age or younger... I'm in my 20's as well, and I can assure you there are a lot more people OVER the age of 20 than there are under the age of 20.... and as age increases, competence for technology wears off. Young people are in the know, they have the latest and greatest... if so many people are aware of HDTV and everything else, why did it take so long to finally flip the switch to DIGITAL content over the air? Surely if soooo many people were down with the digital revolution the flip would have occured years ago when it was first scheduled, not delayed delayed and delayed.

So let's just roll over and except it :mad:

Honestly, I understand what you're saying, what irritates me is that more people aren't complaining as that will be more likely to get consumers what they want than simply rolling over and playing dead, worse yet, accepting it! Posts like your's only encourage more to do the same but whatever, I've said my share and honestly don't feel the need to post a couple hundred times like most in here to get my point across, I'm out. Have fun being sheeple.
 
So let's just roll over and except it :mad:

Honestly, I understand what you're saying, what irritates me is that more people aren't complaining as that will be more likely to get consumers what they want than simply rolling over and playing dead, worse yet, accepting it! Posts like your's only encourage more to do the same but whatever, I've said my share and honestly don't feel the need to post a couple hundred times like most in here to get my point across, I'm out. Have fun being sheeple.

haha nobody in here is telling you to be a sheep... if you don't like it speak with your wallet. Also FYI, you can add your own bluray drive to the iMac or the Mac Pro if that's your wish.

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason more people don't complain is because they don't care that much....? Trust me, when people don't like what Apple does, they speak about it, and Apple listens.

For example, the mute/lock switch on the iPad caused an uproar, and apple turned it into an option in preferences. People complained when the iPhone first came out about the lack of cut/copy/paste... sure enough Apple added it, very similar to backgrounding, and a lot of other iOS features. You are more than able to voice your opinion, just because others may or may not share it or may not have the same passion about it does not make them sheep.
 
...and unfortunately the "non tech people" heavily outnumber the "tech" people :(

Another challenge that we have in keeping the discourse civil is that it seems that a large number of the "tech savvy" aren't necessarily all that "business savvy"/ Just because something is technologically possible doesn't mean that it is also cost-effective (...or profitable).



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Yes, so why not force consumers to completely get rid of optical drives all together, that would be a great idea right. Hey Apple, if you read this, try it and see what happens lols. People want optical drives, I know everyones really exited about the air and all that but lets get real...

Of course. However, if we're going to take a broader view on things, all of those iPads and iPhones also don't have built-in optical drives...how are they selling these days, and in comparison to the non-Air Macintosh computers?

This said, if people want optical drives, do you really think they wouldn't rather have Blu-ray over DVD. You're statics look nice and all, but in the real world I doubt it would pan out, I seriously doubt people would opt for DVD over Blu-ray even if it did come at a slight increase in cost.

Sure, but the devil is in the details of what this supposedly "slight increase" in cost really is. Earlier in this thread I asked the MR readers to say how much more they're willing to pay for a Mac with BD...the simple answer was ~$100. If it costs Apple more than $100/unit to deliver that capability, it is a bad business decision for them to do so...right? As such, until someone can deterministically show what all of the costs would be, the postulation that the cost is "slight" is unsubstantiated, as is also our assumption that Apple could (a) charge up to $100 for it, and (b) actually turn a profit.

FWIW, one thing to keep in mind here is just because every PC cloner in the world has tossed a BD into some of their machines does not mean that all of their factors are a slam-dunk for Apple to copy: basically, they're all under the shielding umbrella of Microsoft, for it was Microsoft, not the hardware manufacturers, who decided to pay the price for all of the BD legal & technical provisions within their OS.

My real gripe is simply, why do you care what me and others want? Would it effect you any way if Apple were to give us consumers at least an option, would it be a "deal breaker" for you?

What is unknown (by us here in MR) is the potential lifecycle cost impact(s) on OS X for a feature that has been reported to have a "Bag of Hurt" in legal provisions and for which some (seemlingly significant) percentage of the customer base doesn't have a compelling need for.

In other words, are you willing to mail someone a signed blank check?

Doubtful, I've never once met someone my age or younger whom didn't know what 720p is/means. Admittedly I'm only in my mid-twenties though, maybe it's a generational thing.

Not really generational, but merely an age bracket. As one progresses, the world continues to get smaller but faster and with more information & interconnections, so if you don't learn the skill of "I don't need to know this (now)" information culling & sanity management, you'll simply overload and burn out.


You think the majority of consumers want this too? Do you honestly think the majority whom want an optical drive wouldn't prefer having Blu-ray over DVD?

Sure, if it is free at all levels. But since it is not going to be, let's not forget our history and for how long & loudly MR readers screamed and gnashed their teeth over Apple having the audacity to charge us extra for a "Superdrive" in Macs.


-hh
 
Another challenge that we have in keeping the discourse civil is that it seems that a large number of the "tech savvy" aren't necessarily all that "business savvy"/ Just because something is technologically possible doesn't mean that it is also cost-effective (...or profitable).


-hh
precisely, people don't know what kinds of costs would go into such a thing. If people want software to read and write blurays, that's more money apple has to spend for its developers to create said software. They have to acquire the parts, test them, potentially have engineers redesign the computer (just because the outside appearance may not change, the insides may have to be shifted around to accommodate for the drive.)

All of these things will drive up the cost of a bluray drive in a mac...

Also, let's not forget if it costs Apple $100 to add bluray to a mac, they aren't going to make it a $100 option. In reality it will likely be a $200 option if that were the case because Apple is ALL about PROFIT MARGINS.

You don't really think apple is paying the prices they charge for HDD, SSD, RAM, or Processor upgrades do you?
 
xxBURTONxx

I agree with what you said. However, the fact that mac sales increased 23% while pc sales decreased .6% is really kind of invalid. With such a small number, a large increase (percentage) is not hard to come by.
Solar power is increasing at a rate of 40% a year. However, because solar power only comprises 0.02% of all power, this is effectively meaningless. PC's simply sell so much more worldwide that any high rate of growth in macs would have to be maintained for years to match it.

Furthermore, this high rate of growth cannot be maintained. Excluding the mac mini (which compared to other computers in its price range is pitiful with a dinky hard drive, core 2 duo, and 2GB ram not to mention you still need to buy a monitor), all of apple's products cost more than $1000. The market for computers over $1000 is only so large. Once they fill it up, they can't grow anymore. They would need to lower their prices. The crowd which says "I ain't paying more than $800 for a fricking computer." is quite large after all.
 
well judging by the record sales of macs (and no blurays) vs the declining pc market (which has bluray) yeah I would say the majority don't care about bluray support. They may want it or wouldn't mind it, but it's obviously not a deal breaker...

That's rather ridiculous as the Mac is still a single digit or at best low double digit portion of the market overall.

also reports of dvd still outselling bluray (5-1 last i heard), the fact that dvd/bluray sales as a whole are down, while downloads of movies (via itunes and the like) are up also conflict with your notion.

You do understand that one is a mature, saturated format that is ubiquitous and the other is a new, growing format, right? That this isn't a static picture -- DVD is mature and shrinking, Blu-Ray is new and growing despite a down physical market. Plus, you might want to look up the actual sales of digital downloads, they are ridiculously tiny as a percentage of the market. Blu-Ray is several times bigger.
 
xxBURTONxx

I agree with what you said. However, the fact that mac sales increased 23% while pc sales decreased .6% is really kind of invalid. With such a small number, a large increase (percentage) is not hard to come by.
Solar power is increasing at a rate of 40% a year. However, because solar power only comprises 0.02% of all power, this is effectively meaningless. PC's simply sell so much more worldwide that any high rate of growth in macs would have to be maintained for years to match it.

Furthermore, this high rate of growth cannot be maintained. Excluding the mac mini (which compared to other computers in its price range is pitiful with a dinky hard drive, core 2 duo, and 2GB ram not to mention you still need to buy a monitor), all of apple's products cost more than $1000. The market for computers over $1000 is only so large. Once they fill it up, they can't grow anymore. They would need to lower their prices. The crowd which says "I ain't paying more than $800 for a fricking computer." is quite large after all.
I do agree, the numbers of total mac owners is really really small compared to PC so it is much easier to grow, but I was just using the numbers to demonstrate that bluray is not a "deal breaker" for most people buying computers, which i feel the numbers do validate.

Once the >$1000 segment fills up apple is going to have to get people on the lower end to either switch up and invest more money or release cheaper computers, or potentially computer alternatives (see iPad, which is supposedly "cannibalizing" sales of cheaper computers and netbooks.)
 
That's rather ridiculous as the Mac is still a single digit or at best low double digit portion of the market overall.
No it's not rediculous, I wasn't saying Mac is blowing PC out of the water, I know that's not true...

What I was saying is that people buying macs are continuing to buy macs, while people who are buying PC's are switching over to macs... the numbers support this regardless of how minimal the overall mac market is. This proves that bluray is not at the top of the list for those interested in a new computer.



You do understand that one is a mature, saturated format that is ubiquitous and the other is a new, growing format, right? That this isn't a static picture -- DVD is mature and shrinking, Blu-Ray is new and growing despite a down physical market. Plus, you might want to look up the actual sales of digital downloads, they are ridiculously tiny as a percentage of the market. Blu-Ray is several times bigger.

umm i said basically the same thing like 2 posts later man...

blu-ray sales are up year over year, month over month, but overall DISC sales are still down. (this means more people are buying blurays than before, but the market as a whole is declining) I never said bluray was doomed, just that the lack of a bluray drive in macs is obviously not having an affect on sales, therefore you can conclude it's not a "deal breaker" for MOST consumers.

Also the overall percentage of digital downloads market share vs. bluray is irrelevant, I'm talking about trends, which shows if people are preferring this over that. The trend that physical media is declining while digital is growing (regardless of the percentages) shows which way consumers are leaning. Of course it will take a long time for a new format to catch a tried and true format (bluray catching dvd, digital downloads catching physical media, etc.) No new format will take over overnight.
 
Also the overall percentage of digital downloads market share vs. bluray is irrelevant, I'm talking about trends, which shows if people are preferring this over that. The trend that physical media is declining while digital is growing (regardless of the percentages) shows which way consumers are leaning. Of course it will take a long time for a new format to catch a tried and true format (bluray catching dvd, digital downloads catching physical media, etc.) No new format will take over overnight.

Now that the Internet Providers are implementing Data Usage Caps, the game will further change...
 
I had a beige G3 desktop (not a tower!) that had a built in CD-ROM, floppy and zip 100 drive. It rattled and buzzed, but it ran forever. It's still working, actually. It was the generation before the blue g3 towers.

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I do not miss the instability of Mac OS 7, 8, or 9. Extension conflicts! The launcher! Agh!

ha, yes. OS 7-9 was still nicer than Windows at the time though, IMHO... I just took one of those (a 233Mhz 'Gossamer') apart tonight to recover the hard disk (4GB... ooooh :)) before it goes to the great computer cloud in the sky (...no not the internet 'cloud'...). It didn't have the Zip option, but our Blue and White G3 PowerMac had one, and I bought the optional kit for my later G4 Powermac.

On topic... the zip comparison is an interesting one. People (mistakenly) refer to Blu-ray as just being a 'sony format', but the zip disk was just iomega's. Apple made it an option in its computers (even in Jobs' era) and even when CD-RW drives started to become common. I still have some zip disks around somewhere...

The point being, back then anyone could say 'hey man, zip disks are dead! CD-RWs and Flash drives are the future, get with the program!' Well fine. But for a good few years zip disks were useful, and Apple gave its users the choice of using them. That doesn't make the people being down on zip disks at the time right - it makes them irritating. Those zip disks were very useful at the time, because I did not live in the future.

Now give me super-fast internet connections, high bit-rate 1080p or better video files with DRM that is less, rather than more restrictive than Blu-rays and maybe it'll be time to pack up those Blu-ray discs. That's not going to happen 'anytime soon' though. So I wish Apple would stop being jerky jerks about Blu-ray.
 
ha, yes. OS 7-9 was still nicer than Windows at the time though, IMHO...

Windows NT "at the time" had full protected memory and preemptive multitasking - so I think that we disagree on the meaning of "nicer".

When an app on my Apple crapped out, it was "reboot" to make sure that hidden damage hadn't wrecked the system. When an app on my Windows system crapped out, it was "relaunch the app" and hope that the bad app didn't fail again.
 
Another challenge that we have in keeping the discourse civil is that it seems that a large number of the "tech savvy" aren't necessarily all that "business savvy"/ Just because something is technologically possible doesn't mean that it is also cost-effective (...or profitable).





Of course. However, if we're going to take a broader view on things, all of those iPads and iPhones also don't have built-in optical drives...how are they selling these days, and in comparison to the non-Air Macintosh computers?



Sure, but the devil is in the details of what this supposedly "slight increase" in cost really is. Earlier in this thread I asked the MR readers to say how much more they're willing to pay for a Mac with BD...the simple answer was ~$100. If it costs Apple more than $100/unit to deliver that capability, it is a bad business decision for them to do so...right? As such, until someone can deterministically show what all of the costs would be, the postulation that the cost is "slight" is unsubstantiated, as is also our assumption that Apple could (a) charge up to $100 for it, and (b) actually turn a profit.

FWIW, one thing to keep in mind here is just because every PC cloner in the world has tossed a BD into some of their machines does not mean that all of their factors are a slam-dunk for Apple to copy: basically, they're all under the shielding umbrella of Microsoft, for it was Microsoft, not the hardware manufacturers, who decided to pay the price for all of the BD legal & technical provisions within their OS.



What is unknown (by us here in MR) is the potential lifecycle cost impact(s) on OS X for a feature that has been reported to have a "Bag of Hurt" in legal provisions and for which some (seemlingly significant) percentage of the customer base doesn't have a compelling need for.

In other words, are you willing to mail someone a signed blank check?



Not really generational, but merely an age bracket. As one progresses, the world continues to get smaller but faster and with more information & interconnections, so if you don't learn the skill of "I don't need to know this (now)" information culling & sanity management, you'll simply overload and burn out.




Sure, if it is free at all levels. But since it is not going to be, let's not forget our history and for how long & loudly MR readers screamed and gnashed their teeth over Apple having the audacity to charge us extra for a "Superdrive" in Macs.


-hh

Two things

1. As an option blu-ray costs only $100 for most computers and Sony only charges $70. Apple would still make a profit if it sold the drives as a $100 option (more likely a $150 option).

2. Your comparison with optical and ipads and iphones is utterly crazy (I would put a stronger word here but I won't). I mean, even someone who is 4 years old would look at an iphone and an optical disc and not say "Why doesn't it have a blu-ray player" Uh... maybe its too small and physically impossible. Note that with apple's backing a 9.5 mm blu-ray drive could be developed so don't say the other blu ray drives are too big. Apple's made so many new things, this would not be beyond their ability.

720p really, every time I watch something on youtube there is this drop down box with 360p, 480p, 720p and 1080p (with high quality videos) I think people get the idea.
 
Two things

1. As an option blu-ray costs only $100 for most computers and Sony only charges $70. Apple would still make a profit if it sold the drives as a $100 option (more likely a $150 option).

2. Your comparison with optical and ipads and iphones is utterly crazy (I would put a stronger word here but I won't). I mean, even someone who is 4 years old would look at an iphone and an optical disc and not say "Why doesn't it have a blu-ray player" Uh... maybe its too small and physically impossible. Note that with apple's backing a 9.5 mm blu-ray drive could be developed so don't say the other blu ray drives are too big. Apple's made so many new things, this would not be beyond their ability.

720p really, every time I watch something on youtube there is this drop down box with 360p, 480p, 720p and 1080p (with high quality videos) I think people get the idea.

you really failed to comprehend his post imo...

1. how do you know it would only cost $70 or $100 to upgrade the superdrive to bluray? You talk about apple being able to fund the development of a 9.5mm drive... where did you add the cost for R&D? What about the money to develop software for reading blurays and writing to them? How about if the engineers have to redesign insides of the mbp to get the drive to fit? What about testing the device? What about bluray licensing fees? Surely you can't just add the price of a bluray drive and expect that apple be able to upgrade the macs for that price.

2.I'll agree about iPads/iPhones, but again you say they would be able to develop a 9.5mm bluray drive.. what if that drive ends up costing them $200 a piece, then they have to also add profit margin, people are looking at potentially $300-$400 to add bluray, how many would be willing to pay that price? I know we don't have the research data or analysts to determine that.

YOU understand 720p, you also use the internet, read tech forums and blogs, etc. How about the 35 year old mother down the street who is more concerned about working for a living and making sure her kids get to school and have food to eat? How much time do you think she spends reading technology forums to make sure she knows what the latest and greatest coming out is? How about peoples parents, or grandparents... you fail to realize there are some people who don't even know how to use a computer, some who have never heard of bluray, some who still don't own an hdtv, some who can't afford the technology, some who don't care, etc.... what motivation do you think those people have to learn about 720p vs 1080p... yeah absolutely NONE. Hop outside your bubble and you will realize there are a lot more people NOT in the know than there are tech nerds running around.
 
precisely, people don't know what kinds of costs would go into such a thing. If people want software to read and write blurays, that's more money apple has to spend for its developers to create said software. They have to acquire the parts, test them, potentially have engineers redesign the computer (just because the outside appearance may not change, the insides may have to be shifted around to accommodate for the drive.)

All of these things will drive up the cost of a bluray drive in a mac...

Agreed; the textbook organizes these expenses into fixed costs and variable costs. It is tempting to assume that Apple produces an infinite quantity of product to drive the amortized fixed costs down to zero, but with consumers also expecting a product refresh at least annually, that will never be the case.

Two things

1. As an option blu-ray costs only $100 for most computers and Sony only charges $70. Apple would still make a profit if it sold the drives as a $100 option (more likely a $150 option).

That's not for a slimline. But even if it were, that's still only looking at just the variable cost of the hardware, and since the Sony is presumably being sold with Microsoft Windows, some percentage of the however many Billion dollars that MS spent on developing Vista/Win7 was involved. That development cost has to be captured and accounted for.

FYI, do consider that if we notionally grant Apple a notional 5% marketshare and also assume that Apple's cost of implementation was the same as whatever MS's was, then Apple's per-unit fixed cost amortization is very straightforward: it will be 20x higher than MS's current cost.

2. Your comparison with optical and ipads and iphones is utterly crazy...

Yes, and that was the point of using them as the illustration: they're selling like hotcakes despite not even having a DVD optical drive - - fundamentally, it means that the consumers do not care that the 'feature' isn't present.


Note that with apple's backing a 9.5 mm blu-ray drive could be developed so don't say the other blu ray drives are too big. Apple's made so many new things, this would not be beyond their ability.

IIRC, when this thread started, Sony's slimline BD burner retailed for over $300. Yes, prices of new tech do come down over time, which is great - - but you'll perhaps notice that no one is yet selling a 6mm slimline yet. Technology projection claims are a dangerous slippery slope of temptation to be overly optimistic on the art of the possible. Over the years, I've seen far too many examples of so-called "projections" that flat-out disobey the laws of physics...and executive decision-makers who throw away good research money on stuff that will - literally - never ever ever work.

720p really, every time I watch something on youtube there is this drop down box with 360p, 480p, 720p and 1080p (with high quality videos) I think people get the idea.

Understood, but you and I both have an appropriate contextual understanding of what these jumbles of numbers mean.

To illustrate, correctly identify what comes next:

{ 2, 5, 8, 11, 13, 15, 19, 22, ? }

The correct answer is: ( =30 ) ... and keep in mind that the point here is the contextual understanding that's required to come up with that as the correct answer. I'll not reveal the proof why it is so just quite yet, since I did find that this was a fun brain-teaser that I was introduced to when I first went to University in Philadelphia. But I will explain it fully later, after readers try to figure out the solution without having the relevant contextual understanding. Afterall, the whole point of providing this example is to illustrate how utterly "Obvious" the sequence's answer is, once you have the context.

EDIT (8 May): Use Google to find a map of Philadelphia's SEPTA Mass Transit System, and look at the "EL" (Elevated Line) that runs East-West through the center of the city. The above is a sequence, but not a mathematical one: they're the names of the cross-streets where there's stops. Hence, one needs to understand the relevant context.


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Windows NT "at the time" had full protected memory and preemptive multitasking - so I think that we disagree on the meaning of "nicer".

When an app on my Apple crapped out, it was "reboot" to make sure that hidden damage hadn't wrecked the system. When an app on my Windows system crapped out, it was "relaunch the app" and hope that the bad app didn't fail again.

Too bad it couldn't switch apps properly, and still can't. Which is something people actually deal with 1000 times a day. But NT, which was a server OS, was designed to not be touched for long periods. (probably why they never bothered to make user GUI issues function usefully)

If you were using an app that crapped out, that was a bad choice for a server.
 
Yes, and that was the point of using them as the illustration: they're selling like hotcakes despite not even having a DVD optical drive - - fundamentally, it means that the consumers do not care that the 'feature' isn't present.

That's still a bad example. Underwear is also not sold with a DVD drive, but what does that prove?
 
Windows NT "at the time" had full protected memory and preemptive multitasking - so I think that we disagree on the meaning of "nicer".

When an app on my Apple crapped out, it was "reboot" to make sure that hidden damage hadn't wrecked the system. When an app on my Windows system crapped out, it was "relaunch the app" and hope that the bad app didn't fail again.

While lucky home individuals who couldn't afford Windows NT or a *nix OS got a healthy dosage of MS-DOS fun, IRQ incompatibilities and this error message...

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Of course, we can't forget the infamous BSOD (blue screen of death). If MS hadn't come out with their crapper of an OS after XP, I probably wouldn't have jumped ship.
I'm not sure why people are still debating over the exclusion of blu ray. Unless you know that Jobs is reading this, it's about as useful as dancing about architecture.
While lucky home individuals who couldn't afford Windows NT or a *nix OS got a healthy dosage of MS-DOS fun, IRQ incompatibilities and this error message...

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^You are a pretty patient person if you only get mad about the lack of blu-ray in 14 years time. :p
 
Of course, we can't forget the infamous BSOD (blue screen of death). If MS hadn't come out with their crapper of an OS after XP, I probably wouldn't have jumped ship.
I'm not sure why people are still debating over the exclusion of blu ray. Unless you know that Jobs is reading this, it's about as useful as dancing about architecture.

We're trying to reach 6000 posts. Keep the anger alive!
 
haha nobody in here is telling you to be a sheep... if you don't like it speak with your wallet. Also FYI, you can add your own bluray drive to the iMac or the Mac Pro if that's your wish.

Have you ever thought that maybe the reason more people don't complain is because they don't care that much....? Trust me, when people don't like what Apple does, they speak about it, and Apple listens.

For example, the mute/lock switch on the iPad caused an uproar, and apple turned it into an option in preferences. People complained when the iPhone first came out about the lack of cut/copy/paste... sure enough Apple added it, very similar to backgrounding, and a lot of other iOS features. You are more than able to voice your opinion, just because others may or may not share it or may not have the same passion about it does not make them sheep.

Or do what a lot of others do and pony up $100 for a Blu-Ray drive for your TV. HDc(1080p) is relatively useless on a small screen anyway.

I used to have a Blu-Ray drive in my Asus G71G-Q 17" (1900x1200) and I used it 4x in a year maybe...between the BR Viewer software and territory/license renewal crap, it's less than user friendly.

I also hated having to hear the spindle going while I was trying to watch a movie in the same "sound space".

You can forget about battery life on your mobile device if your using it to watch "old" media based content anyway (digital based content makes more sense here on sooo many levels).

Different argument for the desktop form factors but then your already getting into diminishing returns for Apple.

Don't get me wrong...I've been a "big screen / HD" guy for the last decade and an early adopter of BR (via stand alone player, not PS3), 3D Blu-Ray player and 55" 3D set today, and I still couldn't care less if I have a BR drive in a MBP or iMac.

There are simply better (and cost effective) alternatives today.
 
This isn't a huge deal breaker for me. I'd actually like to see him get rid of the cd drive and make software come downloadable online or as a USB stick like the Air. My PS3 serves as my blu-ray and that is connected to an HDTV.
 
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