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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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Porco said:
I'm just glad that Steve Jobs is teaching the world that trailers are the only thing worth Apple promoting and distributing in 1080p.
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You're right. He does seem to have a hard-on for trailers. :D
Why else would Apple implement a one-click trailer generator into iMovie.
When they boasted about that silly feature like it was THE major revolution in video editing, I couldn't help but laughing out loud. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
The once very attractive iLife has become so useless Droneware, it certainly will be the first thing flying to the trash on my next new Mac...
 
Well I do wish that Blu-Ray was at least a BTO option, more so with the Mac mini it would complete it as a media centre machine and it has HDMI (which I think Blu-ray requires).

I also don't think that Blu-ray is going away anytime soon. One big hurdle that everyone forgets is monthy data download caps from ISP. Until those go away we will never see Blu-ray quality HD. And don't say Netflix is just as good cause I have it and it looks like a highly compressed 480p widescreen compared to my HD digital cable that is already highly compressed 1080i or 720p.

Also there will need to be a better quality/compression for 1080p video to get around the whole download size.
 
JAT said:
I agree with everything else, but wanted to mention this for clarity. Netflix charges for BD, and has for a couple years. They were even kind enough to recently raise the price to $3 for BD from the original $1.
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Fair enough, I have the Blockbuster imitation of Netflix's monthly service and pay the monthly account for one movie out at a time and I haven't shopped Netflix since I joined BB, so I was out of date on that.
 
linux2mac said:
How is this possible with lack of BD support? :confused:
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Do you really think that Apple would sell less with bd option?

Or does your logics go in a way, that because windows was winning when macs were technically superior, and now when macs are technically outdated, they are winning share from windows and this is all good?
 
Porco said:
well... there's always the free and legit 1080p movie trailers on Apple's site...
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"Trailers, the movies for the rest of us!"
You don't need long clips to convince a customer in apple store that macs can show premium quality moving pictures.
And most of customers never notice that while macs can show them, there's really nothing to show.

If they go and ask for them from some "genius", they tell to buy :apple:TV, plug it in to some small lcd-tv and watch it so far that you can't even notice the difference between 720p & dvd.

If you ask about home theather, they tell that you need a million bucks for it and an own building for it and macs are just so much more easier; click and enjoy!
 
My prediction

Jobs comes out today, gives the address about all the crap in Lion no one gives a damn about to mild polite applause, drops dead on the spot, and Apple's number two comes out, straddling Job's dead body and says "And finally, coming to Apple, Blu-ray!" and the audience cheers.

And it's just a prediction, not a prophecy nor a wish.

And very sad and pathetic that it had to be that way too.

:apple:
 
xbjllb said:
Jobs comes out today, gives the address about all the crap in Lion no one gives a damn about to mild polite applause, drops dead on the spot....
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Today's pictures of Jobs are unnerving - he seems more cadaver-like at every event.

Your prophesy doesn't seem too far outside the realm of possibility.
 
xbjllb said:
Jobs comes out today, gives the address about all the crap in Lion no one gives a damn about to mild polite applause, drops dead on the spot, and Apple's number two comes out, straddling Job's dead body and says "And finally, coming to Apple, Blu-ray!" and the audience cheers.

And it's just a prediction, not a prophecy nor a wish.

And very sad and pathetic that it had to be that way too.

:apple:
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Uh no.

More Good News: Steve Jobs Looks Healthy
http://www.cultofmac.com/pretty-more-good-news-steve-jobs-looks-healthy-wwdc-2011-reaction/98875
 
Why Blu-ray when there's iCloud?

(*runs and hides*)

Physical media becoming more "nostalgic" as time goes on...

My concern is, still, the ISP caps starting to become common. Not at all a coincidence with Apple's new announcement on how a lot of stuff will be synced or streamed across the Internet.

I hate to see anyone's iPhone bill after iCloud goes into service and they only had the 250MB data plan... :eek:
 
xbjllb said:
Jobs comes out today, gives the address about all the crap in Lion no one gives a damn about to mild polite applause, drops dead on the spot, and Apple's number two comes out, straddling Job's dead body and says "And finally, coming to Apple, Blu-ray!" and the audience cheers.

And it's just a prediction, not a prophecy nor a wish.

And very sad and pathetic that it had to be that way too.

:apple:
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I have to take a shower after reading that post. Incredibly tasteless. :(

Give it two or three years, and it may make its way into Mac Pros. However, I think it more than likely Apple will continue to wait and see if: 1.Blu-Ray becomes more popular and 2.if caps begin hindering video download services. Right now you have DVD vs Blu-Ray sales number hovering typically between a 5:1 and 6:1 ratio (with occasional blips of 4:1), and much of Blu-Ray's increase has been due to people abandoning physical media.

If reports from Taiwanese optical drive makers are any indication, it doesn't look like people are exactly clamoring presently for this option in their computers. Besides, the traditional computer is under attack from small mobile devices (aka "iToys" and the like) much in the same way physical media is with download services. In a few years, this whole debate could be nothing but academic.
 
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xbjllb said:
I'm posting these links in response to the outrage posted above and in one private message from someone afraid to threaten publicly.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20064577-71.html

http://technorati.com/blogging/article/holy-mac-apple-invokes-religious-fervor/

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...eligious-reaction-in-fans-brains-report-says/

SOME folks need to find a new god.

SERIOUSLY.

P.S. Apple stock DROPPED after today's presentation.

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Your posts are disgusting. I'm pretty sure my post history will prove SJ is not my god. Objectivity is possible, you should try it.
 
MacNewsFix said:
Give it two or three years, and it may make its way into Mac Pros.
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I doubt that Apple will still be producing Mac Pros in three years...

iMacs maybe, but Mac Pros? Not likely.
It's already 75% notebooks vs. 25% desktops.
I guess nowadays Mac Pros are outnumbered by iMacs by factor 1:4 or even higher.

Mac Pros are no longer Apple's sophisticated racing department for experimenting with state-of-the-art, expensive hardware and new technology. Mac Pros are just a hobby.

But unfortunately the Mac Pro customers are anything but hobbyists.
Therefore this relationship is doomed...
 
gkarris said:
Why Blu-ray when there's iCloud?
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Because one bd(xl) disc has 10x (or more) the capacity of iCloud?

I just don't get these lame "5GB to back up everything you have" services.
I would need 5TB for that. So I'll just keep manually syncing stuff from ant to different external hdd's at different computers...

Cloud backup seems to be still 100x more expensive than local backup.
And at the same time hdd's have gotten 10x bigger, cloud services have only got 2x the size. So the cloud is losing just like optical formats for backup...
 
linux2mac said:
Uh no.

More Good News: Steve Jobs Looks Healthy
http://www.cultofmac.com/pretty-more-good-news-steve-jobs-looks-healthy-wwdc-2011-reaction/98875
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He did NOT look healthy to me. Especially since when I clicked on the link on MacRumors it brought up the video for the iPad 2 launch instead of WWDC '11, there was a marked change between those two events. But I'll leave his personal health to him and wish him the best.

What was on display was more of the naked arrogance that is keeping Blu-Ray off the Mac. Specifically when describing iCloud and discussing music that the user ripped himself -- Buy it again in iTunes or deal with it, were his words. (I will pull a quote from the video).

In other words, buy it from me or do without it.

There's your real answer for why there's no Blu-Ray.

EDIT: I guess I overreacted, it was before iTunes Match was laid forth as an option.
 
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cheesymogul said:
I doubt that Apple will still be producing Mac Pros in three years...

iMacs maybe, but Mac Pros? Not likely.
It's already 75% notebooks vs. 25% desktops.
I guess nowadays Mac Pros are outnumbered by iMacs by factor 1:4 or even higher.

Mac Pros are no longer Apple's sophisticated racing department for experimenting with state-of-the-art, expensive hardware and new technology. Mac Pros are just a hobby.

But unfortunately the Mac Pro customers are anything but hobbyists.
Therefore this relationship is doomed...
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I was shaken by the keynote. Mostly because I see it as the turning point where we move to the lightweight mobile world and the PC truly does become the seldom used "truck" Steve used in his analogy a while ago.

  • "We're gonna demote the PC and the Mac to just be a device." - Steve Jobs. In context, this was just regarding content syncing, but I think that statement belies a bigger agenda.
  • Lion begins the iOS-ification of OSX.
  • Breaking the link between the Mac and the iDevices is strategic -- the Mac is going to wither (more than it already is)

In five years (or sooner) the Mac will be replaced with a giant iPad -- some advanced version or descendant of the current A5 and a 27" screen. The Macintosh itself will barely exist, and I'm sure lines that are left to languish today (like the Mac Pro and Mac Mini) will go the way of the X-Serve and disappear entirely. The Mac will be cannibalized by new PC-like iDevices on the desktop. We will be running brain-dead zombie-fied versions of Apps like the iOS versions of iWork and Garage Band and iMovie.
 
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cheesymogul said:
I doubt that Apple will still be producing Mac Pros in three years...

iMacs maybe, but Mac Pros? Not likely.
It's already 75% notebooks vs. 25% desktops.
I guess nowadays Mac Pros are outnumbered by iMacs by factor 1:4 or even higher.
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Not to quibble, but it is actually more like 65% notebook versus 35% desktops last I checked (see below) and about parity with what is happening in the PC world if projections by IDC are to be believed for the end of 2012 (70% laptop PCs versus 30% desktops PCs).

cheesymogul said:
Mac Pros are no longer Apple's sophisticated racing department for experimenting with state-of-the-art, expensive hardware and new technology. Mac Pros are just a hobby.
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Perhaps when iMacs get 12 cores.

cheesymogul said:
But unfortunately the Mac Pro customers are anything but hobbyists.
Therefore this relationship is doomed...
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I believe Apple's commitment to their Pro applications, as demonstrated by the work they've put into FCP X, seems to say otherwise.

Please humor me and let me share an experience I recently had during a visit to Chicago. One of my friends living there is connected with the Field Museum. We were allowed a tour of the entire facility, including the areas where visitors are typically forbidden. What I noticed was that for all those in intensive disciplines (such as researchers, exhibit designers, and graphic design teams) everyone was using the current or recent generation iMacs or Mac Pros. Even the exhibit displays were powered by Apple displays and Mac Pros. Who were using PCs? The administrators. Why? I'm guessing that besides spreadsheets, email, accessing the Internet, and word processing, they probably were not doing anything hardcore enough to merit needing a Mac.
 

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toke lahti said:
Because one bd(xl) disc has 10x (or more) the capacity of iCloud?

I just don't get these lame "5GB to back up everything you have" services.
I would need 5TB for that. So I'll just keep manually syncing stuff from ant to different external hdd's at different computers...

Cloud backup seems to be still 100x more expensive than local backup.
And at the same time hdd's have gotten 10x bigger, cloud services have only got 2x the size. So the cloud is losing just like optical formats for backup...
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Well, that's the thing - it's all about money making and who can get it.

Physical copies have minimal DRM, so if you decide, you can loan it out, or trade it in, and another can just buy it used.

Downloads everyone needs to buy (or rent) their own copy, not to mention not having to create physical copies (See OS X Lion for only $30 - no physical copies will be manufactured so at least they passed the savings, but you can't really "loan the disc" to someone else to use).

The studios, ideally, would like to go to a Pay-Per-View model (where you can never buy it, you always have to rent it).

More money for the studios, more money for the ISP that cap the data usage, and if you are able to "buy it" - they can restrict it to Cloud Storage, making money off of that.

I've been buying physical media - while they're available.... ;)

BTW - no one take this stuff personally - life's too short for that...:D
 
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