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In five years (or sooner) the Mac will be replaced with a giant iPad -- some advanced version or descendant of the current A5 and a 27" screen. The Macintosh itself will barely exist, and I'm sure lines that are left to languish today (like the Mac Pro and Mac Mini) will go the way of the X-Serve and disappear entirely. The Mac will be cannibalized by new PC-like iDevices on the desktop. We will be running brain-dead zombie-fied versions of Apps like the iOS versions of iWork and Garage Band and iMovie.

Surely there will have to be something? How else can you develop apps for iToys? (Argh. Just got this image of "iCode Touch", where you write apps on an iPad. :eek:)

I can't see how the Mac can go anywhere though. Doesn't Apple want people to be using Macs with iToys? Or don't they care anymore, and would be happy with all their customers to primarily use Windows?

Either way, I'm as sick as you are with people who do nothing but surf facebook all day and claim that the iPad makes Macs obsolete.

A computer in the traditional form, with elevated screen and full-size keyboard remains as the most efficient way of getting things done (from browsing forums to coding to graphic design), and that's not going to change unless something revolutionary removes the need to type.
 
I guess I overreacted, it was before iTunes Match was laid forth as an option.
I'm just waiting for bandwidth and storage to be on that level, that when I insert bd movie to a mac, I can download a matched digital copy from iTunes.
I guess that my wait will be quite long.
Meanwhile I just have to use windowsPCs to watch bd movies from my television.
 
Haven't you heard - we're in the post-MAC era

I'm just waiting for bandwidth and storage to be on that level, that when I insert bd movie to a mac, I can download a matched digital copy from iTunes.
I guess that my wait will be quite long.
Meanwhile I just have to use windowsPCs to watch bd movies from my television.

Yesterday the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord said that we're in the post-MAC era - no more MACs.

You'll need to use Windows PCs for most everything in the future - Apple is abandoning the non-toy market.
 
I'm just waiting for bandwidth and storage to be on that level, that when I insert bd movie to a mac, I can download a matched digital copy from iTunes.
I guess that my wait will be quite long.
Meanwhile I just have to use windowsPCs to watch bd movies from my television.

Bigger and "better" keeps coming sooner than many anticipate. I bet in under 10 years, something else will make Blu-ray seem like DVD today. And Apple won't support that either.
 
Yesterday the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord said that we're in the post-MAC era - no more MACs.

You'll need to use Windows PCs for most everything in the future - Apple is abandoning the non-toy market.

Yup, Post-PC my butt. Post-Mac is more accurate. Mac Pro will get axed eventually. MBP's will turn into Air's and I believe thats the only thing they will carry. Maybe touch screen iMacs but I can see them wanting to get rid of anything to do with Mac stuff.

Lion being DL only is inexcusable.
 
Yup, Post-PC my butt. Post-Mac is more accurate. Mac Pro will get axed eventually. MBP's will turn into Air's and I believe thats the only thing they will carry. Maybe touch screen iMacs but I can see them wanting to get rid of anything to do with Mac stuff.

Lion being DL only is inexcusable.

But download-only from the Apple-controlled app-store is what the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord wants for you.

Time to dump Apple OSX, and move to a more open OS.
 
Yesterday the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord said that we're in the post-MAC era - no more MACs.

You'll need to use Windows PCs for most everything in the future - Apple is abandoning the non-toy market.
Weird, my iToy has a MAC. I think those are going to stay around for quite some time.

I would love to use Windows for everything. Just as soon as it starts working. (like, if I double-click on an Excel file, Excel becomes the active app, could it do that one day?) Please notify me when it happens. If you aren't too busy making fun of people. :rolleyes:
 
I think it more than likely Apple will continue to wait and see if: 1.Blu-Ray becomes more popular and 2.if caps begin hindering video download services. Right now you have DVD vs Blu-Ray sales number hovering typically between a 5:1 and 6:1 ratio (with occasional blips of 4:1), and much of Blu-Ray's increase has been due to people abandoning physical media.


Just after the latest Harry Potter movie came out, the ratio came close to 3:1- and with the slew of long-awaited, highly-anticipated Blu-rays coming our way this summer and fall, I have a feeling it will move past that for good- especially after Star Wars comes out.

As for locking down this thread, as someone suggested a few posts back- No, DON'T DO THAT. Things are going to get interesting around here real soon...
 
But download-only from the Apple-controlled app-store is what the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord wants for you.

Time to dump Apple OSX, and move to a more open OS.

I'm giving serious debate to doing that. It sucks since Apple could do so much better in a lot of areas. I like their interfaces a lot more than what I find on Windows. Sadly though it might be time to move on, I do not support DD, and I wont have to for many years regardless of whats said here about media. Small small market of Apple decides zero.
 
I believe Apple's commitment to their Pro applications, as demonstrated by the work they've put into FCP X, seems to say otherwise.
I'll believe it when I finally see the product working as promised...

The days when I jumped without hesitation on every new piece of Apple software are definitely over.
They already blew their sympathy bonus with the last crappy FCS update. Back then I was such a stupid evangelist convinced of Apple's greatness, I automatically assumed the software was 64bit...
Now they have to stand the test first. And if they fail they can take a hike.
Just like any other ordinary company who wants to sell me their products.
 
P.S. Apple stock DROPPED after today's presentation.

Interestingly, if you were to look back over history, you'll find that the stock drops after almost all presentations and a fair number of those "the store is down" moments.

Why? Simple. Because the blogs and the analysts build up a ton of hype over what could be going on and they are at least partially (if not completely) wrong with their 'facts'. So people are expecting something other than what they got and the drop reflects their disappointment.

This time it was likely
1. the lack of mention of the iphone 5 hardware which many sites still insisted would be talked about even though Apple was pushing out the notion of software, software, software.
2. the lack of a every song, movie, tv show ever created streaming package for $10 a year that several places have hyped up as a given.
3. That none of the mentioned software is available right now
4. a combo of these things


He did NOT look healthy to me.

The man had pancreatic cancer and a liver transplant. There is no getting over those. They screw with your hormones and digestive system. You won't ever be fat and jolly looking again, not even close. Everyone needs to figure that out and stop analyzing his appearance. If he's not up there with a walker or a wheelchair because he can't hold himself up, he's in good shape for someone in his lifelong condition.

What was on display was more of the naked arrogance that is keeping Blu-Ray off the Mac. Specifically when describing iCloud and discussing music that the user ripped himself -- Buy it again in iTunes or deal with it, were his words. (I will pull a quote from the video).

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Also blu-ray on a Mac is a hardware issue, not software. For all you know, they have finally worked out the licensing issues etc and are going to put blu-ray drives in the next run of all macs. And will issue an appropriate software update at that time. They didn't mention it as coming for the same reason they didn't talk about any computers, the 'new time capsule' or the iphone 5. THey are taking WWDC back to its intended software purpose and leaving the hardware for another time and place


But download-only from the Apple-controlled app-store is what the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord wants for you.

Perhaps what you need is a firm reminder that Apple is a business and is about making money. They will make their decisions based on how best to do that.

When it comes to Mac OS, making money is about attracting new users. That means appealing to those that are on PCs that are afraid it will be too hard to learn a new program, install stuff etc. So they have their 'we do all the hard work' MAS and the 'well you are already using an iphone' UI options (which you oh great and genius one have the option not to use).

And then there is the issue of all the folks that figured out real fast that you didn't have to buy the $129 upgrade box to get Snow Leopard. Using the store means they can at least get an extra $29 in "licensing" out of folks that are still on Tiger or Leopard. Which is still cheaper than the days when it was $129 every go around.
 
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Weird, my iToy has a MAC. I think those are going to stay around for quite some time.

I would love to use Windows for everything. Just as soon as it starts working. (like, if I double-click on an Excel file, Excel becomes the active app, could it do that one day?) Please notify me when it happens. If you aren't too busy making fun of people. :rolleyes:

I am seeing more DJ's using MacBooks and MBP's in nightclubs. I asked one of them why they use Apple and he said "because it doesn't freeze during the middle of a show."

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Try again, it's all real (not fear), and as recent as the past few years. I lived everything I wrote. I was one of the non-conformist Mac guys trying to shoe-horn a Mac into a big company ecosystem.

But go ahead, if it's FUD, it should be pretty easy to dispute. I'll wait.

I was one of the same non-conformists too...back in the 1990s. But I did notice a very modest reversal that started ~2 years ago, but it seems to have stagnated as of late.


I can rent a vastly superior Blu-Ray from RedBox for $2, or...

True, but by the same token, we can similarly go find & cite cheaper examples of photo/card/book/etc printing services than what Apple sells through iPhoto too. As such, what is the real "So What?" factor here?

Fourthly, Macs used to be undisputed as the best machines to consume high end digital media.

Which....ummm...would have been back around the time that the G3 PPC CPU shipped? Yeah, that's how far back the "Pentium Snail" marketing stuff was from: the 1990s, again. In PC "Dog Years", that would be like reminiscing about how great your great-grandfather's Model A Ford was.


Just after the latest Harry Potter movie came out, the ratio came close to 3:1- and with the slew of long-awaited, highly-anticipated Blu-rays coming our way this summer and fall, I have a feeling it will move past that for good- especially after Star Wars comes out.

Particularly as those numbers are being tweaked by BD-DVD "Combo Pack" sales :)

As for locking down this thread, as someone suggested a few posts back- No, DON'T DO THAT. Things are going to get interesting around here real soon...

It might, with iCloud, but if that's the case, that would probably be Steve Job's vindication, which won't be in the direction that many of the loudest posters here want. What would then naturally follow will be 4,000 more contentious posts which can already be summarized as one side saying "No, I'll never admit that I was wrong" while being nagged by the others. Fun?


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But download-only from the Apple-controlled app-store is what the cadaver-like turtlenecked overlord wants for you.

Time to dump Apple OSX, and move to a more open OS.

i normally don't hop on ppl for this, but troll a little more why don't you?

Yes, Apple is controlling THEIR app store.

Why? YES, they are a business and are in it to make money for their shareholders.

Also, they want the user to have a great experience and sometimes, you have to control certain aspects to ensure the user experience is what you set it out to be. Look at Flash, Apple didn't allow it for a number of reasons (one of which was a lack of security) and now there was an article 2 days ago which talked about how hackers used flash to get into people's gmail accounts.

Imagine if Apple had allowed flash on their i-devices and someone hacked it? THEY would have lost money, would have spent THEIR time and energy fixing it.....and it's not their product!

So, i'm all for them keeping strict guidelines.
 
Also blu-ray on a Mac is a hardware issue, not software. For all you know, they have finally worked out the licensing issues etc and are going to put blu-ray drives in the next run of all macs. And will issue an appropriate software update at that time.

You got that backwards. It's OSX that tries to stop you from playing Blu-ray movies, not the hardware. The playback works normally in Windows on the exact same system, whereas OSX says, "Sorry, Charlie." My Mac Pro plays commercial Blu-ray movies on my 30" ACD, now that I've learned the way to circumvent the software obstacle. With a $108 BD-R drive in the second slot, it works without any driver installations or other equipment, and I don't even have to leave OSX / boot into Windows.

If they do work out the licensing issues and allow it to "just work," then the average Mac user can watch their movies on their Macs, too. For now, it takes a minute of finger-dancing to make it happen, and I get the added bonus of skipping directly to the movie, menu and warning-free!
 
Particularly as those numbers are being tweaked by BD-DVD "Combo Pack" sales :)

It's not just the combo packs. Blu-ray adoption is on the rise:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu-ray-disc/blu-ray-disc-player-sales-up-16-24158

(and that's during a quarter that was abysmal overall for packaged media.)


It might, with iCloud, but if that's the case, that would probably be Steve Job's vindication, which won't be in the direction that many of the loudest posters here want.

No, not just with iCloud- The pro editors are about to come out of the woodwork when the new Final Cut Studio arrives, and many of them will be asking about Blu-ray support if it hasn't improved since the last version. (They may even be asking what happened to DVD support, at the rate things are going now...)
 
Bigger and "better" keeps coming sooner than many anticipate. I bet in under 10 years, something else will make Blu-ray seem like DVD today. And Apple won't support that either.
I bet that many did bet in 90s' that the same thing happens to audio-CD's.
Surprisingly iTunes have new feature in 2011 for what you can do, when you insert audio-CD to your mac.
With same analogy, maybe around 2025, I can insert movie-BD to a mac.
Hopefully before that, I can download a HD-movie from iTunes without imigrating to US. Maybe around 2020?
In the meantime, I'll have to make sure that the gadget I use for playback movies doesn't have Apple logo on it...
 
It's not just the combo packs. Blu-ray adoption is on the rise:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu-ray-disc/blu-ray-disc-player-sales-up-16-24158

(and that's during a quarter that was abysmal overall for packaged media.)

That's for BD players...which are also typically backwards-compatible to DVD media too. As such, we're not really able to use that to demonstrate that consumers are actually abandoning DVDs.


No, not just with iCloud- The pro editors are about to come out of the woodwork when the new Final Cut Studio arrives, and many of them will be asking about Blu-ray support if it hasn't improved since the last version. (They may even be asking what happened to DVD support, at the rate things are going now...)

Ah, good catch - I had forgotten about the update to Final Cut that's "Soon Come".

Of course, the other potentially interesting thing is that with OS X Lion moving into the Mac App Store, the planets are aligning to technologically be able to offer a "BD License" upgrade module (not unlike Lion Server) without much distributor expense, just to those 5 customers in MR who have expressed an actual willingness to pay. Maybe I'll start a rumor that the price for this software will be equal to this thread's post count :D


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Mr Turtleneck targets certain techs and does something different and says it will be the future. Of course he does tend to do things that hurt the other technolgies (like not offering full GPU acceleration or other drive options). He has an obsessive compulsive personality. You're either with him, or not.

Physical media is here till bandwidth limitations improve.
 
Perhaps what you need is a firm reminder that Apple is a business and is about making money. They will make their decisions based on how best to do that.
The only business that brings bread on my table is MY BUSINESS.
Therefore I don't give a rat's behind about Apple's own business decisions or what's best for them. They can do whatever they want - as long as it doesn't conflict or impede my own business.

Which Idiot would base his own business decisions on what's good for Apple????
LOL, it's insane what a slavish, subservient mindset some people here have...
 
The man had pancreatic cancer and a liver transplant. There is no getting over those. They screw with your hormones and digestive system. You won't ever be fat and jolly looking again, not even close. Everyone needs to figure that out and stop analyzing his appearance. If he's not up there with a walker or a wheelchair because he can't hold himself up, he's in good shape for someone in his lifelong condition.

Well, no duh, we all know about it by now. I meant specifically in comparison to the iPad 2 launch event which was 3 months ago, I did mention that in the post.

Also blu-ray on a Mac is a hardware issue, not software.

How come it works on Windows in Boot Camp, with the same hardware? I guess it is a software issue.

For all you know, they have finally worked out the licensing issues etc and are going to put blu-ray drives in the next run of all macs. And will issue an appropriate software update at that time.

I gave up that line of thinking after Leopard came out with no support for either despite promising it in 2005 (when Apple joined the Blu-Ray forum) and adding an HD tab in DVDPlayer.app.

Based on behavior and Steve Jobs' own statements, it isn't going to happen. Especially given they were very hot on it in 2005 and then went ice cold when the iTunes Movie Store was launched in late 2006. That's five years since they went cold, four years since the format launched, two years since it went mainstream. Apple is not going to deliver. It just doesn't work.

That's for BD players...which are also typically backwards-compatible to DVD media too. As such, we're not really able to use that to demonstrate that consumers are actually abandoning DVDs.

But it clearly means they are at least interested in stepping up to Blu-Ray. Because if they had no such intention, they can get DVD players for $20.

Besides, it ought to be crystal clear by now that adopting Blu-Ray does not mean abandoning DVD, it means supplementing it.
 
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