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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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Shame on Apple

Shame on Apple. Instead of giving us Blue Ray they keep using the same old extremely slow and outdated DVD-RW drives on several generations now of the Macbook Pro and who knows what other machines they do the same thing on. At least introduce a faster DVD-RW drive, jeez!

-Mike
 
Do the maths.

thunderclap said:
Downloadable or streaming will never become mainstream if ISPs are able to impose bandwidth caps. As it stands now BR won't go away because of the limits imposed by our gateways to the internet. Period.
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In addition to monthly bandwidth caps (GigaBytes per month), a greater problem is simple circuit and last mile capacity (Mega-bits per second).

No carrier is going to build out an infrastructure to give every user wire-speed connections at the 100 mbps level that would be needed for two BD-quality streams.

Few users have the "last mile" 100 mbps feed from the branch office or local hub. (Some do, so don't bother bragging and posting your speednet results.)

Of those that do, the branch office or local hub won't have the backhaul capacity to give 100 mbps to every subscriber. What good is a service that only works when very few subscribers use it?
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Do the maths. If a branch office/hub has 1000 subscribers, it would need a download circuit of 100 Gbps. If an ISP in a small city had 50,000 subscribers, it would need 5 Tbps (5000 Gbps) in capacity.

If Apple wanted to serve BD-quality movies to 1,000,000 subscribers - their data centers would need to upload at 50 Tbps (50,000 Gbps). (Or have 1000 CDN centers uploading at 50 Gbps, or 10,000 CDN centers at 5 Gbps.)

This arithmetic will keep BD on top for quite some time - very few ISPs can afford to build out wire-speed for the last mile, and the bandwidth needed by the server data centers is astronomical.

There's a paradox - streaming BD-quality movies will work as long as almost no one does it.
 
cmaier said:
I seem to be able to do it fine. Makemkv with vlc works perfectly as far as I can tell.
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You cannot play:

BD menus
BD-Live
HD audio
3D

That is properly.

And this is a thread about Mac, not Windows, for some other people.
 
cube said:
You cannot play:

BD menus
BD-Live
HD audio
3D

That is properly.

And this is a thread about Mac, not Windows, for some other people.
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Actually this is a thread about not being able to readily play Blu-ray on a Mac (thanks to a decision by Mr. Jobs) and solutions/work arounds to be able do so. If you reject a solution, which is your prerogative, you cannot claim that there isn't a solution or "proper" work around.

Wonderfully, a Mac can run multiple operating systems, such as Windows, in order to facilitate various means of problem solving. As a Mac owner, you should be proud of that fact, support those who do choose to, and be ready to explore alternative operating systems which have advantages in certain respects over OS X.

That OS X comes with Bootcamp means that one need not be an OS X purist anymore. But that one should... "think different."
 
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VitaminD said:
Actually this is a thread about not being able to readily play Blu-ray on a Mac (thanks to a decision by Mr. Jobs) and solutions/work arounds to be able do so. If you reject a solution, which is your prerogative, you cannot claim that there isn't a solution or "proper" work around.

Wonderfully, a Mac can run multiple operating systems, such as Windows, in order to facilitate various means of problem solving. As a Mac owner, you should be proud of that fact, support those who do choose to, and be ready to explore alternative operating systems which have advantages in certain respects over OS X.

That OS X comes with Bootcamp means that one need not be an OS X purist anymore. But that one should... "think different."
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If using Windows were OK, I wouldn't have bought a Mac. Windows is not a solution.
 
Dedicated bluray players are cheap these days to forgo any desire to use a computer-based bluray solution. Unless one needs to have them converted into digital format, I might actually agree with Apple's model of an online-only model. I wish it wasn't so as bluray discs are so much better in quality and convenience.
 
cube said:
If using Windows were OK, I wouldn't have bought a Mac. Windows is not a solution.
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Strange. Yet you knew when you bought a Mac it couldn't play Blu-ray, no? So why did you buy a Mac knowing this?

Additionally, Windows 7 is OK (more than OK really), a viable solution used by many, and works just fine on a Mac via BootCamp or a VM (Parallel's, VMWare, Etc.).

And there are those who buy Macs for the purpose of running OS X and Windows or just for running Windows alone. After all, it is hard to beat Mac hardware.

Once again, you seem to just blurt things out without much consideration or elaboration.

Now, if you said something such as... "Yes, that is a solution, of course. It's foolish to think it is not a solution. However, I would have to spend an extra $300 or about on a Windows 7 license, an external USB Blu-Ray drive, a commercial Bluray playback software package, and perhaps some more coin on VM software if I wanted to go that route... frankly, it's not an economically viable solution IMO considering I could buy a stand alone Blu-Ray player for about $100..." we'd be having a simple, rational, and pleasant discussion.

Is that really so hard to do?

No one on this thread is your enemy. You don't have to bark at anyone or everyone. Native OS X Blu-ray playback is not coming to a Mac anytime soon. Considering this, posters have offered viable solutions that do indeed WORK.

So please, stop barking out such blanket and grossly inaccurate statements such as "it's not a solution" when it is. If you don't like the solution, simply state something to the effect of... "while that is a solution, it's not a solution I that wish to use at this time."
 
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cube said:
You cannot play:

BD menus
BD-Live
HD audio
3D

That is properly.

And this is a thread about Mac, not Windows, for some other people.
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No menus and no bd live is an improvement. I suppose you'll complain next about no FBI warning.

No 3d? No hd audio (pass through of ripped bluray hd audio via toslink seems to work on apple tv, btw). Do you have a 3d Mac? Most existing bluray players don't support 3d either. 3d seems a weird thing to complain about. And doesn't hd audio require something other than an hdmi connection (eg toslink) - just asking - I'm not up on these things since my home theater doesn't support hd audio over the hdmi connections, but it's a few years old.
 
cmaier said:
No menus and no bd live is an improvement. I suppose you'll complain next about no FBI warning.

No 3d? No hd audio (pass through of ripped bluray hd audio via toslink seems to work on apple tv, btw). Do you have a 3d Mac? Most existing bluray players don't support 3d either. 3d seems a weird thing to complain about. And doesn't hd audio require something other than an hdmi connection (eg toslink) - just asking - I'm not up on these things since my home theater doesn't support hd audio over the hdmi connections, but it's a few years old.
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No menus is a total failure.

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VitaminD said:
Strange. Yet you knew when you bought a Mac it couldn't play Blu-ray, no? So why did you buy a Mac knowing this?

Additionally, Windows 7 is OK (more than OK really), a viable solution used by many, and works just fine on a Mac via BootCamp or a VM (Parallel's, VMWare, Etc.).

And there are those who buy Macs for the purpose of running OS X and Windows or just for running Windows alone. After all, it is hard to beat Mac hardware.

Once again, you seem to just blurt things out without much consideration or elaboration.

Now, if you said something such as... "Yes, that is a solution, of course. It's foolish to think it is not a solution. However, I would have to spend an extra $300 or about on a Windows 7 license, an external USB Blu-Ray drive, a commercial Bluray playback software package, and perhaps some more coin on VM software if I wanted to go that route... frankly, it's not an economically viable solution IMO considering I could buy a stand alone Blu-Ray player for about $100..." we'd be having a simple, rational, and pleasant discussion.

Is that really so hard to do?

No one on this thread is your enemy. You don't have to bark at anyone or everyone. Native OS X Blu-ray playback is not coming to a Mac anytime soon. Considering this, posters have offered viable solutions that do indeed WORK.

So please, stop barking out such blanket and grossly inaccurate statements such as "it's not a solution" when it is. If you don't like the solution, simply state something to the effect of... "while that is a solution, it's not a solution I that wish to use at this time."
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Apple is less unacceptable than Microsoft.

If the commercial applications were there, I would have long since switched to Linux.
 
Most folks I know use the menu just to get to the movie. I guess you're the guy we have to blame for hollywood loading up the discs with crap the rest of us don't want to see or pay for.
 
cmaier said:
Most folks I know use the menu just to get to the movie. I guess you're the guy we have to blame for hollywood loading up the discs with crap the rest of us don't want to see or pay for.
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The menus allow you to switch subtitles and audio tracks, and access the extra content.
 
cube said:
The menus allow you to switch subtitles and audio tracks, and access the extra content.
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Subtitles work without the menus (you can even switch them), and honestly - how often are you switching audio tracks? (as opposed to just playing with the best audio supported by your setup - this is easily accomplished with makemkv)
 
cmaier said:
Subtitles work without the menus (you can even switch them), and honestly - how often are you switching audio tracks? (as opposed to just playing with the best audio supported by your setup - this is easily accomplished with makemkv)
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So you say, that people should rip today for DD or DTS and tomorrow again for HD. What a drag.

Even if there's a way to select subtitles, without access to the extras, it fails.

And yes, the menu design is part of the experience.
 
cube said:
So you say, that people should rip today for DD or DTS and tomorrow again for HD. What a drag.

Even if there's a way to select subtitles, without access to the extras, it fails.

And yes, the menu design is part of the experience.
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No ripping required. Not sure what you are talking about.
 
cmaier said:
If you want to rip, then rip. you can rip ALL of the content (all audio tracks, subtitles, etc) into the mkv. Same as ripping bluray from any other platform.
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OK. I guess you mean everything except BD-Java.
 
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