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Envy, one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Why is why someone exposes a fraud, albeit a highly successful one, they are accused of envy?

Steve Jobs is the last person on earth I'd envy. He's done nothing I would be proud of personally or professionally in the last two decades.

And much that's downright stubbornly stupid. And much I'd be eternally ashamed of.

Those who equate monetary success in the US with virtue are sadly, the most ignorant of all.

My beef with jobs is not personal; it's professional. Like many pros and pro content creators, I have quite an investment in Apple hardware and software and I want him to continue developing the platform with at least as much attention as his fad iToys and maintain it cutting edge.

Which he decidedly is not.

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Is Carniphage still spouting nonsense? Why haven't people just ignored this troll?

It's obvious he came here for a fight - and ended up steering this thread into tangent territory.

Blu-ray won't be going anywhere for a long time. People like physical packaging (e.g., email didn't make delivered letters obsolete). Plenty of factors will be keeping physical media around - for example, streaming will merely cannibalize the cable and satellite TV on-demand market. The concept of digital downloads is only palatable for a small market - mostly people that don't buy movies anyway (i.e., pirates).

Ironic... that most of the proponents of the "Physical Media is Dead!" argument won't be helping the cause in the future; they'll be stealing movies anyway.

Also, Apple saying Blu-ray is like SACD and DVD-A is a joke - Blu-ray outsold both formats waaaaaaaay back in 2007. BD isn't a niche. It's simple, Apple should offer an option to accommodate customers that want it. They'd probably make more on the Blu-ray "Superdrive" markup than they would for iTunes movies purchases.
 
OK, just to be clear...Those of us who say "Blu-Ray is DEAD" are obviously exaggerating for effect. Of course, Blu-Ray is not CURRENTLY dead. But it may as well be. The world is very different now than when DVD came on the scene in the late 90's. Digital storage and streaming is much more viable now, and will continue to improve exponentially in the coming years. Blu will NEVER see the market penetration that DVD did.

Nothing will do what DVD did in terms of market penetration. Internet service (not broadband... Internet service) doesn't have DVD levels of household penetration and never will.
 
Like they didn't give up on HD-DVD?!? When the market rejects something, the purveyors of it have no choice!



OK, just to be clear...Those of us who say "Blu-Ray is DEAD" are obviously exaggerating for effect. Of course, Blu-Ray is not CURRENTLY dead. But it may as well be. The world is very different now than when DVD came on the scene in the late 90's. Digital storage and streaming is much more viable now, and will continue to improve exponentially in the coming years. Blu will NEVER see the market penetration that DVD did.

So, YES, Blu will continue to sell. It will even gain marketshare for a while. But the growth rate will level off and start declining before it reaches as many households as DVD did. It will be a niche format that lives a quiet life for a couple of decades much as Laserdisc did. So, the fact that it is relatively new, yet is already in its death throes, means that for all practical purposes, BLU-RAY IS DEAD.

See you seems to forget is blu-ray can do Quad HD, 2160p and Ultra HD, where with the internet will not be able to handle it.. So Again Blu-ray will be around in many different types or forms of blu-ray... Far from ever being dead and the more caps happening on ISP will make it harder to download larger files.. But keep on believing that Physical format will be no more and be just Digital content (downloads) only.. :rolleyes: ... You are as clue as macdrew is.. But I guess that what we get for letting little kids on the internet..
 
How do bits cost nothing? To make an audio recording you must first pay for the microphones, studio time and mixing. The end product, the bits as you call them may cost basically nothing, but to create them in the first place costs quite a bit. I think 35mm film used to make movies is something like £230 per minute...per minute!

If the content creators don't get any payment for their creation, why create in the first place?

Hell, Mac os is basically bits, yet it costs to purchase that?

If nothing is created, what will we do, abandon all material possessions sit around humming all day. Perhaps this is part of Apples Buddhist master plan, to lead us away from material things?

Seriously, this is utterly insane.

Yes, absolutely the insane lengths thieves will go to rationalize away their crimes, and the effect of their crimes on those they have wronged, and eventually, the entire rest of society as people just quit creating anything of worth because they can no longer make a living at it. Already the division between the top and bottom of the food chain in entertainment is so wide the gulf can never be breached without seven figure funding.

this is a scary (IMO) point of view..

Yes it is.

but why would Apple want to spend money to implement the code needed for Blu-ray playback when that format is now considered obsolete? It would serve no purpose to the Mac platform and only slow the march to full open, wireless standards.

Blu-ray has died out, it's like a floppy disk... so there is no reason to support it.

More insane denial to support theft.

OK, just to be clear...Those of us who say "Blu-Ray is DEAD" are obviously exaggerating for effect. Of course, Blu-Ray is not CURRENTLY dead. But it may as well be. The world is very different now than when DVD came on the scene in the late 90's. Digital storage and streaming is much more viable now, and will continue to improve exponentially in the coming years. Blu will NEVER see the market penetration that DVD did.

More wishful thinking that theft and torrents will continue unabated the way they have in the past five years. This will not be so, and Blu-ray will achieve the market penetration that DVD will, to everyone's surprise as EASY institutionalized piracy ends.

So, the fact that it is relatively new, yet is already in its death throes, means that for all practical purposes, BLU-RAY IS DEAD.

Continued denial supported by easy institutionalized theft and the belief it will go on forever. It won't.

Is Carniphage still spouting nonsense? Why haven't people just ignored this troll?

He literally just accused someone of breaking forum rules because they called him what he is - a pirate. A self-important one.

It's obvious he came here for a fight - and ended up steering this thread into tangent territory.

Some thoughts: Apple saying Blu-ray is like SACD and DVD-A is a joke - Blu-ray outsold both formats waaaaaaaay back in 2007. BD isn't a niche. And Apple should offer an option to accommodate customers that want it. They'd probably make more on the Blu-ray "Superdrive" markup than they would for iTunes movies purchases.

Why should Apple do it as long as they have an army of rationalizing lying thieves in denial fighting desperately to cling to their brave new world of free content for all thieves?

It's time to grow up children and leave the thieving behind. And treat people who make the content you covet the way you'd want to be treated if you spent weeks, months, even years of your life to make it. When you go to your workplace and don't get a paycheck at the end of the week or pay period, and when you work for free, and give away everything you do make for free, THEN and only then might you have a case.

Until then, you're just sycophant leeches taking from good people and giving nothing at all back but lies and rationalizations and cheap laughs at your insane view of the world.

Please grow up. Nothing you've stolen will satisfy you a tenth as much as something you've paid for.

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I see BD as the natural progression from CD to DVD and now BD, just like floppies went though several generations. And optical disc will remain with up for many years to come. Yes other storage and the Internet will eventually take over for most needs but not for many years and not until everyone has high speed Internet that can handle full 1080 HD in real time.

Like I said, most people now have fast enough DSL to download music easily but CDs are still around, same will apply to DVD/BD.
 
Already the division between the top and bottom of the food chain in entertainment is so wide the gulf can never be breached without seven figure funding.
WOW!, entertainment has a 'food chain' and you need 'seven figure funding' to rise above a krill?
This stuff is amazing, do the people on YouTube and at Cannes know?

More wishful thinking that theft and torrents will continue unabated the way they have in the past five years. This will not be so, and Blu-ray will achieve the market penetration that DVD will, to everyone's surprise as EASY institutionalized piracy ends.
And I thought Blu-ray was a 'non-starter', you sure proved me wrong.

Why should Apple do it as long as they have an army of rationalizing lying thieves in denial fighting desperately to cling to their brave new world of free content for all thieves?
You bastards! Damn the Apple Thieves

Please grow up.
Now, with that statement, you said a mouthful :rolleyes:
 
I see BD as the natural progression from CD to DVD and now BD, just like floppies went though several generations. And optical disc will remain with up for many years to come. Yes other storage and the Internet will eventually take over for most needs but not for many years and not until everyone has high speed Internet that can handle full 1080 HD in real time.

Like I said, most people now have fast enough DSL to download music easily but CDs are still around, same will apply to DVD/BD.

The argument is not about the elimination of BluRay. Never has been. But whether the future of media distribution will ultimately create a viable iTunes like business model.

iTunes has not eliminated CD or Vinyl. It's been pointed out that it isn't even the majority of music sales.

It does not have to be for everyone. It does not require the destruction of BluRay collections - or the bombing of duplication plants. Really there is no need for the hysteria that some are showing.

There is a possibility that there is a sufficient audience out there, with the right kit, and the right bandwidth to make internet TV and movie distribution possible. If that is the case, then Apple almost certainly will make an attempt to grab that audience with both hands.

It is therefore not surprising that Apple will ignore other competing distribution platforms.

That isn't terribly hard to understand.

C.
 
Carniphage.

You were saying you could purchase HD movies in the UK on the Apple TV yesterday. I had a look at what was available last night and could only see HD rentals.

Are you sure you can buy them or is the HD selection so small I managed to miss them all?
 
I see BD as the natural progression from CD to DVD and now BD, just like floppies went though several generations. And optical disc will remain with up for many years to come. Yes other storage and the Internet will eventually take over for most needs but not for many years and not until everyone has high speed Internet that can handle full 1080 HD in real time.

Like I said, most people now have fast enough DSL to download music easily but CDs are still around, same will apply to DVD/BD.

Can you pass that on to Steve Jobs? I'm convinced he lives in the same insane fantasy world as the evangelical pirates on here, convinced that everything will be free until he buys up all the competition and iTunes is the only outlet and his crappy compressed files will be all anyone can get.

Do I really believe he's out to kill Blu-ray? Heck yes, take one look at his disciples here. They're already lying about dancing on its grave.

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Carniphage.

You were saying you could purchase HD movies in the UK on the Apple TV yesterday. I had a look at what was available last night and could only see HD rentals.

Are you sure you can buy them or is the HD selection so small I managed to miss them all?

You are right! I just checked. I only ever rent in HD, and assumed that purchases were dual format like the TV shows.

C.
 
But I think we can all agree that Apple shou;d at least give us the option by including BD drives, that's what I want. I know most people don't use there DVD burner for backup any more. There are cheap USB HDDs for that and maybe not everyone watches DVDs, but at least we can.

Choice is all I'm asking for. But this is the same company that is forcing it's US customers to go with one carried for the iPhone, where as here in Aus I can choose any phone company I like.

Maybe Jobs doesn't like freedom of choice?
 
Archi,
Please retract that. An accusation of theft, is abuse by the rules of this board.

C.

However, acknowledging someone else's admission of theft is NOT abuse by the rules of this board. I know you won't see this, C; this is for archi and the mods.

Just because you have a different definition of theft than other people do, or the laws as they exist in various countries, doesn't mean you haven't admitted to theft. You circumvented copy protection in order to distribute more copies of a work than you purchased. When you had other legal options.

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You are pretty new to Apple if you don't know the answer to that question. :D

Things must be like Hitler in his bunker at Apple headquarters if people are afraid to tell the man the basic truth and how people are up in arms. Can it be that bad? Can he really have that much of an Emperor complex?

I guess so.

:apple:

P.S. Well, in all fairness, he did cough up a matte screen option, the question is did it really have to take so much noise and bad feelings all around to finally get it?
 
Do you think that was Apple's decision, or something to do with the copyright holders?

I have a 300 physical DVDs - half region 1 and half region 2. Despite having paid for them, Unless I hack the firmware, I have to play russian roulette when I watch one.

All this crap will eventually stop. Because all it does is make piracy more and more attractive.

C.

I reckon this was Apples doing, especially when you see the region coding with DVD, and Blu-ray, the Apple region coding is very restrictive, and backward compared to where the industry was.
 
No, it supports all open formats, H.264 and protected H.264: Up to 5 Mbps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC) with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps, 960 by 540 pixels at 30 fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats, iTunes Store purchased video: 320 by 240 pixels, 640 by 480 pixels, 720 by 480 pixels (anamorphic), or high-definition 720p


As I said, only one format there, and a poor support of that one format.

How are you expected to the play your divx files you go on about, or the mkv ones?
 
I reckon this was Apples doing, especially when you see the region coding with DVD, and Blu-ray, the Apple region coding is very restrictive, and backward compared to where the industry was.
Just use VLC, it avoids the region code and allows me to play any DVDs from any region. Yes I know it's not as good as the Apple DVD player but it works.
 
i already did, look at my previous posts. the PS3 is a sad sack compared to the AppleTV for media, and as Apple brings the 225,000 Apps to the AppleTV in the coming year, the PS3 will further fall from grace.

Well a number of issues there....

The AppleTV is a useless media device, the price alone places it in the most useless category.
You have no knowledge if Apple will release a new AppleTV, or when they will
The current apps in the App Store will be useless in a TV situation, absolutely useless.
 
Just use VLC, it avoids the region code and allows me to play any DVDs from any region. Yes I know it's not as good as the Apple DVD player but it works.

No, the new versions of VLC do no avoid region codes. You can read this on their site. I don't have any issues with region codes, I have a multi-region DVD player connected to my TV, Blu-ray has broader regions, and a number of region free releases so I have never been stuck with any issues. And if I want to watch a DVD on my Mac I rip it on my PC and convert it to a h.264 file.
 
I reckon this was Apples doing, especially when you see the region coding with DVD, and Blu-ray, the Apple region coding is very restrictive, and backward compared to where the industry was.

Huh?
Region coding was introduced with DVDs - because previous video sales were controlled by various incompatibilities in the PAL/NTSC territories.

All computer manufacturers were compelled to enforce region locking by the DVD industry - drives had the 5-changes-and-you-are-locked firmware.

Apple were a victim of this anti-consumer limitation, not the cause.

C.
 
A few questions come to mind. 35mm or 70mm? Throughout the frame, or, at the edges? Format and lens system (conventional, anamorphic)?
As usual, the most telling example would be the most common film.
Lets take 35mm anamorphic print of a hollywood blockbuster on 20 years old projector which is in average condition and print is in its half life eg. the reels have been used for 100 times.
Projector jitter & worn perforations make the effective resolution less than 2 Mpx.
 
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