yup for a few years. the support isnt there though.
then why arent we able to do the same thing for BDs? we bought it, we should be able to play it back on our personally purchased items.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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fortunately I am not in the US but again the current law which you may or may not agree with forbids you circumventing the copy protection placed on DVD's, you know this now and you know it when you buy the disc but again you make a willing choice to break the law.
whether you or i think this is a good thing is irrelevant..its your choice to make.
The US law as I understand allows one copy of a disc to be made as a backup in case of damages but that doesn't include mp4/MKV rips which fundamentally change the file structure.
by way of irony, Apple don't let you burn their movies to disc as watchable DVDs and the DMCA you lambast was a crucial plank in their Psystar case.
theft is theft...... nothing has changed, it is still really simple.
Blu-ray supports a function called Managed Copy, but no hardware or titles actually support it... I don't think the BDA have finalized exactly how this will work. The idea is to allow you a legal copy of your blu-ray disc for use on other systems. This is different from the promotional "Digital copies" included on many titles... it's an actual process in which authentication is done with studio servers to allow for a copy to be made. As I said, the details haven't been ironed out and this is something sorely needed for consumers, otherwise they will continue to either ignore existing legal avenues or will pursue less legal avenues for place shifting content.
W/regards to just Macs it's because Steve doesn't want us to have it. More generally speaking it's because the DMCA makes it illegal to remove, reverse engineer, by-pass, etc., DRM. The DMCA is also the way Apple kept preventing other companies from making hardware/software that could decode the FairPlay used by the iTMS.
Basically, we have the legal right to space and time shift in the US but we don't have the right to break the DRM that is preventing us from space and time shifting. Like I said, it's an end run around decades of copyright law and it's a mockery that that provision of the DMCA was passed and that the courts have upheld it.
Working under the assumption that the copy protection would prevent you from copying the disc I don't think you'd be able to make a back-up copy w/o by-passing the DRM which is against the law. But that is the source of the conundrum, is it not? It's like saying you have the legal right to vote but then someone puts all the voting machines on private property surrounded by no trespassing signs. Was your right to vote taken away? Technically no, but your ability to vote was because you no longer have access to voting machines. The letter of the law is being followed but the spirit of the law is not.
Big difference between commercial and personal use and I'm not sure where the irony fits into all this (unless you are using Alanis Morissette's definition of irony).
It really is simple and things unfortunately have changed. Space shifting and time shifting for personal use are completely legal in the US yet a provision of the DMCA blocks us from being able to exercise our legal rights.
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i was more talking in general, allowing the end user to convert/etc their purchased movies. but yea i can see what is happening - and i dont like it. soon enough we will pay for the movies on each device, not just a set of devices! (e.g. purchase one for ipad, one for ipod, one for apple TV, not just iTunes universal store). ok, maybe not - but its downright frustrating.
Not to mention that licence rights don't go both ways. For their purposes, studios consider that you own the plastic, but you don't own the data on the disc. You have a licence to listen (if audio), and have very little freedom with it. However, if your disc gets scratched or destroyed, there's no option to pay 50c for a replacement with the data recorded onto it. The licence dies with the disc. So basically, you own the licence or you own the media, whichever is the worst for the consumer.
yea i think you are right about that. even though we all did it *rebels*Can I get a yeah boy?!
IIRC, when the iPod came out here, it was illegal to put any music on that you didn't have the rights to, eg. only your own band's creations were okay. We were all using them illegally until they amended the law.
For me it's about watching macdrew getting smacked around like a red headed stepchild. Pretty entertaining.
Isn't the big fuss about how the BR license insists that when building BR support into a device, that the device manufacturer has to secure the HD content from disc to screen via Hardware? And Steve Jobs wasn't interested in "Vista-ing" Apple computers and OSX in order to comply?
Also isn't BR itself kinda full of DRM in addition to mandating Hardware DRM?
And doesn't it keep changing? Aren't the first couple of generations of BD players now useless for new titles?
The iTunes DRM is all software, isn't it? Maybe Steve doesn't want to commit the onerous BR DRM to hardware. Didn't he have unhappy experiences with something like this before? After all, BR could change again, rendering millions of set-top boxes obsolete (again) and forcing expensive upgrades for computer manufacturers.
Maybe someday, he can strongarm the Movie people into allowing him to drop DRM on HD content like he did with the Music people.
That's how stuff works best after all.... when your computer or whatever isn't busy treating you like a potential thief it can do a better job of what you actually want it to do.
That's what it seems like to me anyhow.... Steve doesn't want to get tied up with a lot of mandatory, continuously shifting Hardware DRM and is willing to take a stand against Hollywood.
Do it Steve's way with minimal (or no) DRM or not at all. At the very least, the DRM needs to have a fixed, set, reliable standard. BR isn't.
Apple is fast becoming the 800-pound gorilla so maybe there's a chance it'll happen.
Just my 2¢
Keri
What about all the stories that new Apples do have HDCP? The hardware supports it....
And, please use "BD" consistently, it's the correct abbreviation.
First generation players can't do BD-live or access Profile 2 features. Since BD players are Java-based, firmware upgrades can deal with most other issues.
If any BD movie won't play on a 1st generation player, it is because the studio chose not to make the Java programs on the disc compatible with version 1. (BD discs contain Java programs for implementing menus and special features - those Java programs on the disc can check the version and gracefully fall back if the designers have fallback as a goal.)
(The situation is analoguous to a website that won't work with older browsers - the problem isn't that the web is broken, it's that the web designer didn't take the extra effort to ensure that it would render correctly with older software.)
FUD
The shift to Profile 1.1 and 2 started while HD-DVD was still around - virtually any player released since BD "won" the format war is compatible with any movie disc. Virtually all players sold since BD popularity started to explode in 2009 are Profile 2 players.
While you are correct that Profile 1.0 players from 2006 have some issues with new discs, in fact relatively few BD players were sold before the format war ended. Any future updates will have to accomodate the huge installed base of Profile 2.0 players. (By analogy, should you avoid Apple because 68K and PowerPC Apples are obsolete?)
Perhaps you should look at this article to better understand BD player profiles. In particular, that article references The Authoritative Blu-ray Disc (BD) FAQ, which is a pretty good description of the details of the BD format.
not on Macs it won't, there would be no reason to add it at this late stage in the game. Blu-ray is dead.
how outrageous. because yea, i can afford to download BD movies.....
wake up, not everybody has no data caps.
This is my last post, have a happy time with your 19th century spinning wheels!
His promises are as worthless as his "facts"....
I suppose the biggest insult would be to compare macdrew to a blu ray disc, because he, like physical media, just won't go away.
I still don't see how it's dead, it's barely started to take off, people are still in the process of upgrading their plays, not to mention their library of movies. I doubt the studios who have sunk millions into the format will give up on it without getting their money back.
Not once but twice you have post even after you posted..
This is my last post, have a happy time with your 19th century spinning wheels!
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Dead - no longer around. No longer can get at all.. Can not find it no where because it is gone..
Sorry but you can go any where that sells movies and buy a Blu-ray movie and the selection grows larger each week.. Far from dead in any means.
Also please stop posting because all you are doing is making yourself look foolish and uneducated .. No one going to listen to a liar and a thief like yourself.. You be proven wrong many times and now you just spamming the forums with lame posts..
Like they didn't give up on HD-DVD?!? When the market rejects something, the purveyors of it have no choice!
OK, just to be clear...Those of us who say "Blu-Ray is DEAD" are obviously exaggerating for effect. Of course, Blu-Ray is not CURRENTLY dead. But it may as well be. The world is very different now than when DVD came on the scene in the late 90's. Digital storage and streaming is much more viable now, and will continue to improve exponentially in the coming years. Blu will NEVER see the market penetration that DVD did.
So, YES, Blu will continue to sell. It will even gain marketshare for a while. But the growth rate will level off and start declining before it reaches as many households as DVD did. It will be a niche format that lives a quiet life for a couple of decades much as Laserdisc did. So, the fact that it is relatively new, yet is already in its death throes, means that for all practical purposes, BLU-RAY IS DEAD.
Archi,
Please retract that.
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I have admitted no such thing. Internet piracy is a crime. Fair use of paid for content is not.
There is also a clear moral difference. One deprives the content creator of revenue the other does not.
If you confuse the two, I suggest your moral compass needs repairing.
An accusation of theft, is abuse by the rules of this board.
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