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Apple's revenue since the introduction of BluRay.
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I just don't think they are feeling the consumer pressure.

C.

No they aren't because even though Macs have gained market share since 2006, it is the iDevices that have really grown revenue. Apple's main focus these days are on the portable devices because that is where the money is. The iMac and Mac Mini have received some attention, but if it isn't mobile Apple doesn't really want to build it anymore.

Mac Pro demand is so low that I'd be very surprised if Apple is going to drop much cash into a ground up redesign. If their main focus going forward is iDevices and not Macs then the decision to never offer a BD drive makes sense. If Apple still cares about the Mac then they should offer a BD option at least on the Pro line.
 
So are you admitting Apple doesn't make the highest quality stuff? Because a lot of people here seem to be under that illusion.

They make great best-in-class products.

You'll struggle to find a better all-round laptop than the 13" Macbook Pro.

My MacPro has been an incredibly robust workhorse. It has been on and working constantly for 4 years. Still completely silent. Never a glitch. Built like a tank. Best hardware investment ever.

But Macs make lousy gaming machines. As 3D workstations, the poor driver & card support is an ongoing problem, and if you want to use a computer as a media player you might want to look at a PC. Not only do Macs not have BluRay, but the handling of 5.1 audio isn't good either.

I still wouldn't buy a Vaio though, the screens are abysmal!

C.
 

Your right Mac sales have improved over the past few years, but building Macs isn't how you make mega-bucks.

As Steve himself told a developer via e-mail recently:

We are focusing primarily (though not exclusively) on iPhone OS this year. Maybe next year we will focus primarily on the Mac. Just the normal cycle of things. No hidden meaning here. Maybe means probably not and when Steve comments there is no hidden meaning it makes a person wonder if there really is a hidden meaning.

If Apple was committed to the Mac as being the main product of their company and the iDevices as a sideline they would be offering a BD drive as we speak.

I have a feeling anymore that the iDevices are the main product and the Mac is just a sideline or in the case of the Mac Pro a hobby. If you consider this then you see why BD doesn't matter to Apple. They are not going to spend a lot of engineering money or licensing fees to better the Mac. The iDevices are making them mega bucks and even if they dropped the entire Mac line tomorrow they would still be wildly successful. In fact some might argue by putting 100% focus on the iDevices they might make even more money.

I still love my Mac, but I hate to see Apple let the hardware fall behind versus competing PCs.
 
I still love my Mac, but I hate to see Apple let the hardware fall behind versus competing PC's.

I think there is competing and there is competing. Taking a look in the video game market as an analogy.
In terms of raw, thrusting sheer graphical horsepower, the XBox360 and the PS3 wipe the floor with the Nintendo Wii.

But in commercial terms the tables are turned. PS3 has lost money for Sony, and the 360 has not made a lot of money for Microsoft. The WII however, by being a disruptive technology has been a very profitable machine for Nintendo.

Apple's innovations in the personal computer products have been equally disruptive. They have allowed Apple to capture the premium end of the home computer market. But very few of the innovations have been about CPU performance and features. In the same period, conventional manufacturers like HP have seen their profit per-sale dwindling to a few dollars. As they slash prices and cram in features to maintain market share.

With the hard-core audience, Apple's strategy is as unwelcome as Nintendo's - but welcome or not, it's hard to argue with the numbers.

C.
 
Perfect example of the need for blu ray on a mac, a friend reminded me of this today.

A few weeks ago I watched Batman Returns on bluray (that film looks stunning btw) and I noticed something I had never seen before. When the penguin tries to kill Catwoman with the umbrella, it cuts to a wide shot of penguin waving goodbye... And the penguin is no longer played by Danny DeVito, it is clearly a stand-in...a much thinner stand-in who looks nothing like DeVito (he actually looked more like Johnny Depp's mad hatter.)

I pulled out my old Dvd and this goof was not visible due to the low resolution, a blu ray exclusive mistake (okay, it was probably visible in theaters, but they don't have pause buttons.)

I wanted to take a screenshot to show this to a friend...but couldn't due to the lack of blu ray.
 
If Apple was committed to the Mac as being the main product of their company and the iDevices as a sideline they would be offering a BD drive as we speak.

What? Blu-ray is as dead as a doornail as an optical format, so there would be no reason Apple would ever include it in any Mac. Video is now online, it's streamed or downloaded, but...

If you notice, they are increasingly adding SD slots on their machines, (all imacs, macbook pros, the new mac mini) so if the Blu-ray community can ever get their licensing act together, they can go straight to SD cards and get rid of those ancient plastic spinning wheels.

Nobody will care about Blu-ray until that happens, Apple holds all the cards on their acceptance, so they need to work hard or Blu-ray will become the next 8-Track.
 
With the hard-core audience, Apple's strategy is as unwelcome as Nintendo's - but welcome or not, it's hard to argue with the numbers.
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I completely agree with that. I do believe that Apple has became more of a "lifestyle" company then a hard core computer builder.

Apple and Nintendo are not the only companies that have been successful in doing this. Bose has became one of the largest and richest audio companies, not by focusing on hi-fi, but providing very stylish, easy to use systems that provide decent sound in a compact package. In fact most of the companies that focused on true hi-fi sound are gone. Bankrupt.

Apple has seen what has happened in the gaming and consumer electronics industry and are following the winning formula that other "lifestyle" companies have used. No one can argue that it hasn't been wildly successful.

With that said I'd sure like a BD drive in the next iMac...:D


What? Blu-ray is as dead as a doornail as an optical format, so there would be no reason Apple would ever include it in any Mac. Video is now online, it's streamed or downloaded, but...

If you notice, they are increasingly adding SD slots on their machines, (all imacs, macbook pros, the new mac mini) so if the Blu-ray community can ever get their licensing act together, they can go straight to SD cards and get rid of those ancient plastic spinning wheels.

Nobody will care about Blu-ray until that happens, Apple holds all the cards on their acceptance, so they need to work hard or Blu-ray will become the next 8-Track.

What? I thought you had posted your last post a few pages ago.

Blu-ray=8-track technology? Are you for real? Do you even know what an 8-track is? They were junk. They never worked right. Blu-ray works and it works well. Big difference.
 
WOW!, entertainment has a 'food chain' and you need 'seven figure funding' to rise above a krill?
This stuff is amazing, do the people on YouTube and at Cannes know?

Better than anyone, and certainly better than the likes of you, who obviously never created anything in their life.

Be careful! Exercising fair-use is equivalent to genocide in these parts.

C.

Only those with guilty consciences and inferior arguments need to throw up their own straw men to knock down.

This...

Be careful! Exercising fair-use is equivalent to genocide in these parts.

C.


but then again I think you knew that.

Fair use as has been falsely propagated in this thread no longer exists.

Fair use now and in real terms is to put it (DVD/BD disc) into a physical DVD/BD player and watch it, privately.

You may think you should be able to rip and encode it...but you can't..legally and usually we can't choose which laws we follow.

Be that as it may...... whether the law is right or not is not the point.

It is illegal to circumvent the copy protection on any dvd/BD disc. End of story.

to rip it you must perform this circumvention so vis a vis ripping is illegal.

You can argue the non-enforcement of the law so far renders it worthless but again that isn't the point.

the basic premise of this law is correct in the US, UK and even in remote backward places like Oz... :p;)

j/k I love the place..!

It does no good to argue fact with rationalizing thieves.


Honestly, truly, people who genuinely give a rats-ass about a quality motion picture experience do not watch their content on a *computer*. They buy dedicated gear.

People passionate about audio, don't listen to it on an iPod.

People who care about performance motor vehicles don't ride around on Segways.

C.

No, but content CREATORS MUST PROOF their creations on everything but cutting edge equipment to the lowest common denominator piece of iCrap to make sure it works on all platforms and in every condition.

Apple makes this impossible through similar dead wrong stubborness that you display and defend.

Apple's revenue since the introduction of BluRay.
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I just don't think they are feeling the consumer pressure.

C.

Take away iCrap from that graph, and the bars are cut fully in half to one-third where they're sitting now, through abject and deliberate neglect of the computer division.

THAT is a black line bubble, and it IS a bubble, and it will crash as soon as cheaper flashier iPad competition that handles flash comes out, and Jobs second attempt at AppleTV bombs.

Oh yes... and when people scream loud and long enough about the iPhone debacle.

With the hard-core audience, Apple's strategy is as unwelcome as Nintendo's - but welcome or not, it's hard to argue with the numbers.

C.

Glad you've been working, uh, shilling for Apple long enough to get the latest numbers. That said and done, remove iCrap from the figures and Apple has been crashing for years, through their own stupidity, lack of foresight or ridiculously too much foresight for the current market (have it either way or BOTH ways) and abject dereliction of their pro app base and high ticket market.

Numbers do lie, when a company completely changes over into another kind of company. From a cutting edge computer manufacturer into a temporary fad toymaker. In the short run? Fabulous.

In the long run? Disastrous as they will never ever get their high-end high-ticket base or cutting-edge cachet back again.

Or their corporate base. Once entire organizations switch platforms in anger, resentment, and disgust.

:apple:
 
If you notice, they are increasingly adding SD slots on their machines, (all imacs, macbook pros, the new mac mini) so if the Blu-ray community can ever get their licensing act together, they can go straight to SD cards and get rid of those ancient plastic spinning wheels.
That would be sweet once Apple updates all its systems to support SDXC. Especially since SDHC tops out at 32GB (smaller than BD 50GB).
 
It's the fastest selling format ever -- faster than even DVD.

No, you were incorrect, the chart is showing multiple Blu-ray units in homes, but the same statistical methods weren't used in the graph for DVDs.

So your graph is completely invalid.

You need to learn that Bu-ray never took off, it's only used in poor areas where bandwidth is still expensive.
 
What? Blu-ray is as dead as a doornail as an optical format, so there would be no reason Apple would ever include it in any Mac. Video is now online, it's streamed or downloaded, but...

If you notice, they are increasingly adding SD slots on their machines, (all imacs, macbook pros, the new mac mini) so if the Blu-ray community can ever get their licensing act together, they can go straight to SD cards and get rid of those ancient plastic spinning wheels.

Nobody will care about Blu-ray until that happens, Apple holds all the cards on their acceptance, so they need to work hard or Blu-ray will become the next 8-Track.

The Class 6 SD cards it takes to read/write 1080p on my 550d at h.264 cost £80 ($120) for 32 gigs (the 64gig ones which hold more than dual layer BD are SDXC and cost over $500). By the time SD could affordably take over from bluray as the physical format of choice (at least 10 years from now), 99% of those laptops would no longer be in use.

Why are you still posting this nonsense? Your post reads like the previous 72 pages never happened (let alone featured every other commenter on the thread calling you out on inaccuracies and plain BS).
 
You need to learn that Bu-ray never took off, it's only used in poor areas where bandwidth is still expensive.

Blu-ray is used by people who value flawless 1080p video and lossless sound on their high end systems.

I assume you must live in a poor area where everyone still has old SDTVs and listen to audio through tiny tinny sounding TV speakers since you think lossy audio and video with low bit rates is acceptable.
 
Is anyone even sure the current Mac Mini could play back a Blu-Ray disc?

We know it can handle the video if it's playing back compressed audio (DTS or DD), but there is a long thread in the Mac Mini forum about the previous models unable to handle the HD (Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD) audio stream from a Blu-Ray source without overloading the CPU to the point that the raw video stream drops frames.

If it is shown that even the latest Mini can't play back a Blu-ray disc without dropping frames, then what does it matter that it can't play it back, period?

The argument I am seeing put forward is that quality is all-important, so why would those people settle for an experience from a <$1000 Mini that was inferior than one they could get from a standalone <$200 Blu-ray player?
 
The argument I am seeing put forward is that quality is all-important, so why would those people settle for an experience from a <$1000 Mini that was inferior than one they could get from a standalone <$200 Blu-ray player?

2 valid arguments:

1. Content creators need to proof their content, preferably with instant feedback on the machine they are creating it on.

2. The computer division, indeed, the entire platform, is in danger of disappearing under a sea of neglect by refusal to maintain its cutting edge technology, superior to all other competitors.

And relying on a bubble of short term profits from fad junk. Literally, fad JUNK as the latest iPhone debacle proves. They can't even get iCrap out right and working, let alone keep the computer division up to date.

And pro apps? Forget about it. The base is leaving the platform by the thousands each month.

And it will be permanent.

Couldn't be simpler.

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That issue is nothing new, I had exactly the same issue trying to take screencaps of DVDs back on Windows, print screen always got a black screen. There was a way around it, I think turning off OpenGl or something.

You can use other image capture programs that don't care about that. ;) I use Snapz on the Mac. I love Ambrosia and I use the tool all the time. Best $10 I spent on the mac! :)

I'm sure there is an equivalent on Windows.
 
That issue is nothing new, I had exactly the same issue trying to take screencaps of DVDs back on Windows, print screen always got a black screen. There was a way around it, I think turning off OpenGl or something.

The BluRay consortium are intentionally blocking screen-capping from Windows for copyright protection reasons. Why do you think they would allow it on a Mac?

C.
 
The BluRay consortium are intentionally blocking screen-capping from Windows for copyright protection reasons. Why do you think would allow it on a Mac?

C.

When did I say they would allow it for macs? What I said is, the problem you referenced is atleast a decade old and there are several easy solutions available (for DVD anyway, I imagine a bluray solution will appear soon, if it is not already available.)

EDIT: I just remembered, a friend sent me screencaps of Serenity to show me some of the little details of the set (individual switches on the engine have written lables in English and Chinese) and to convince me to buy the disc, I think he used VLC. Solution found?
 
The Class 6 SD cards it takes to read/write 1080p on my 550d at h.264 cost £80 ($120) for 32 gigs (the 64gig ones which hold more than dual layer BD are SDXC and cost over $500). By the time SD could affordably take over from bluray as the physical format of choice (at least 10 years from now), 99% of those laptops would no longer be in use.

You're just not aware of the technicalities that I have, plus your in the UK which doesn't have access to technical advancements until years after the US... go to the valley, they will completely laugh at you if you mention "blu-ray", it's like they are working on rockets, while you only know horses.

The new Mac mini and certain to be the new AppleTV, supports the new SD 3.0 specification SDXC, so speed and 2TB cards are now supported.

Several Blu-ray packages already come with SD cards as a bonus, so it's clear optical Blu-ray discs are being phased out.

You're locked into an old, expensive, inefficient culture, but we are not since we create all the standards. So step it up a notch or don't post here, I'll make you into a fool every time if you continue to spout nonsense.
 
When did I say they would allow it for macs? What I said is, the problem you referenced is atleast a decade old and there are several easy solutions available (for DVD anyway, I imagine a bluray solution will appear soon, if it is not already available.)

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Perfect example of the need for blu ray on a mac, a friend reminded me of this today.
I wanted to take a screenshot to show this to a friend...but couldn't due to the lack of blu ray.

Mac's don't use the same media player architecture for video as PCs. When you screen cap on a Mac - you *do* capture the playback window - and not a block of purple.

The conversation goes like this:

Apple: We have flawless screen capture built into every Mac!
Blu Ray Consortium: That will have to go.
Apple: But users can share their screens over iChat...
Blu Ray Consortium: Lose it!
Apple:Our display architecture involves some open source elements, if we change them we have make the source code....
Blu Ray Consortium: Not anymore. Fix it.

EDIT:
Apple: But on the PC, people can capture using VLC.
Blu Ray Consortium: This is control. Dispatch legal team Bravo - stat!

C.
 
Isn't wittering on about the superior Home Theater awesomeness of BluRay ..and then saying you want to watch it on a computer....

....a bit like saying you love the superb handling and vast power of the Bugatti Veyron, and then admitting you actually only own a bicycle?

C.

All I know is what my customers used to tell me.

Bubba: This $899 HP DV-whatever has a BD player.
Customer: Why would I want that on a 15" computer screen.

Bubba Inserts King Kong BD and plays fight scene with Kong and 3 T-Rexs.

Customer: :eek: HOLY S*** !!! I'll take it. Don't stop it. I want to watch the rest of the scene.

How about Steve let his customers decide and at least give them a CHOICE. :apple:
Wouldn't that be magical? Stay tuned.
 
Blu-ray is used by people who value flawless 1080p video and lossless sound on their high end systems.

I assume you must live in a poor area where everyone still has old SDTVs and listen to audio through tiny tinny sounding TV speakers since you think lossy audio and video with low bit rates is acceptable.

Yes, but that is a tiny fraction of the market, and something Apple nor any computer vendor would care about. Those people aren't on radar since they don't create any measurable revenue.

No, I have the best internet access in the world, but I like most don't care about the nth degree in video or audio, I just want it to be perfectly clear visually and acoustically... I don't care about the "nth" element that humans can't see or hear like you do.
 
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