No you don't, believe me, I tried it, with a movie I got as a digital copy from a Blu-Ray I purchased (which is downloaded via iTunes and IIRC has the same DRM as iTunes movies). You get a big empty block of white. I'll post a screenshot of it when I get home.
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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No you don't, believe me, I tried it, with a movie I got as a digital copy from a Blu-Ray I purchased (which is downloaded via iTunes and IIRC has the same DRM as iTunes movies). You get a big empty block of white. I'll post a screenshot of it when I get home.
You are right. I am wrong!
Just tried screen-capping a podcast - and it worked.
Tried the same trick with a purchased episode of Lost - and it failed. Got a nice white/grey checkerboard.
I think Mr. Kryten might-well struggle to capture his image of the faux Danny DeVito using a Mac-based BluRay player.
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Absolutly, it's a problem, unfortunatly I'd have the exact same problem trying to capture an image from a DVD on Windows (maybe things have changed since I last tried it.) so it's not a problem with Mac based players, or windows based players, but all players and with iTunes videos. No matter how I get a copy of the film, I'm going to have problems getting screencaps.
Fortunatly the solution is easy, VLC is cross platform.
I just tried using VLC to screen-cap the Lost episode. And it wouldn't play it.
As I understand it, VLC will not play BluRay either. Because to do so, it would have to circumvent to copy protection on BD.
I think we are tweaking at the seams of Steve Jobs' bag of hurt.
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I'll have to ask my friend when I next see him, but whatever way you look at it, there is a program out there for the PC which can play and screencap bluray discs (I'm still pretty sure it was VLC though)
If blu ray licencing is a bag of hurt, surely windows is getting hit by it also, yet the programs exist on that platform.
Sure screencapping might be a minor inconvenience, but it will be just as inconvenient as it would be on windows, I can't see any difference here (unlike faux DeVito, I can see a major difference there.)
I don't think VLC can play bluray discs can it? I was under the impression that we're still waiting for a 'proper' oss implementation for blurays.
With a decrypted disc, hitting print screen while playing with vlc on windows/linux captures my desktop and the video.
Why can't they just proof their content from the HDD? The only extra thing they would learn from doing it from an actual Blu-ray disc is tell them is the factory that pressed it did so correctly.
But if the expensive computer hardware can't do it as well as the cheap standalone player, if anything that should sour the user experience with the computer, not enhance it. And Apple is all about a positive user experience, even if they have to deny users things that, while desirable, might sour said experience if they did not execute properly.
On the portable side, you'd need a MacBook Pro 17" to view 1080p content natively, but you'd still be listening to it in stereo over the speakers or headphones. So you get nice video (on a really small screen) and junk audio.
And is anyone really going to use a 27" iMac or a Mac Pro with a 24"/27"/30" LCD as their primary Blu-ray viewing device? And run HD audio from it? Or are they really going to run a mini-Display Port to HDMI cable from their iMac / Mac Pro in one room to the television in another?
So the real machine people want Blu-ray on is the Mac Mini because they want to use it as an all-in-one HTPC source. And yet the Mac Mini may not be able to handle a Blu-ray disc without dropping frames. So what is the answer? More powerful GPU? More powerful CPU? Some custom DSPs to handle the HD audio streams? People are already rioting on this forum over the current price - now add $250 for the BR player and the extra hardware to make it perform as well as a $250 standalone Blu-ray player.
I'm sorry, but the answer to me seem to be to just buy the standalone player. Many of them can stream content from Macs/PCs and they can access Netflix and Pandora and Amazon and Blockbuster and other sources. They have hardware optimized to play back 1080p video with no dropped frames and output an HD audio signal to a dedicated receiver/decoder connected to 6/7/8 speakers.
Well, the Mac Mini would more than likely be able to handle a Blu-ray. But the reason we want Blu-ray on the Mac isn't to use it as our primary viewing device. At least that's not my reasoning. I want Blu-ray playback on Macs so I can watch Blu-ray movies on my MacBook when traveling. Of course I'm going to prefer to watch movies on my home theater, but if I want to kill time on a long flight, it would be nice to be able to bring along a few Blu-ray movies and play them. It's so I don't have to buy the same movie twice in multiple formats.
I'm sick of trying to explain it to you, it is pretty obvious that you don't want to know.
Broadcast tv is different to DVD's, music etc. But please explain why a french iTunes user cannot purchase music, movies or apps from the UK app store?
So? If I travel from my country (not territory like you claim) my blu-ray's still play as well. But in your case you cannot purchase any new movies or apps while outside your country as in doing so you are breaking Apples terms of service.
Yes there is, people want all in one systems and maybe PCs are now going up against the iMac. They have BluRay, touchscreen, finger and face security and a DTV tuner, all making the iMac look old in the world of technology.
I'd love an iMac that offered as much as some of the PC models do now, and this is from someone who has used Mac's since the days of the Mac Plus.
This is from the High Def Digest screen cap thread
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/1289537-post86.html
I don't have a blu-ray drive for my PC so don't know if it still works.
I'll certainly spot you the convenience factor of throwing in a disc and running a player, but unless you're toting a 17" MBP, you're squashing down a 1920x1080 image to 1280x800 or 1440x900. Also, optical drives are a high drain on the battery and if you have a unibody MBP with a fixed battery, you could only watch for so long (assuming you were not interested in just a single movie) before you needed to find shore power.
I would imagine ripping and re-encoding would prove more beneficial in that it would draw less power and you're effectively giving up no real quality since you're playing back on a display that can't handle the native resolution, anyway.
So what is better, down scaling a blu-ray movie, or upscaling a DVD or iTunes movie?
But how do we rip and reencode the film in the first place without a blu Ray drive?
Also, in hotels, battery life is a nonissue, I usually just plug my laptop in. I suppose if I was camping or there was a power cut, battery life would be a factor.
They ALL have "BluRay, touchscreen, finger and face security and DTV tuners"?, that's strange, 99% of them don't have "BluRay, touchscreen, finger and face security or a DTV tuner" so I think you are lying.
The fact remains that PCs on average have far less features than Macs on average, that's why people who don't know about computing end up with PCs.
You are trying to "cherry pick", that's why Mac owners always laugh at Windows owners.
Yes, the Mac Plus was another great Mac, but now the 27" iMac is the best computer on the market for the money. Video is now real time, so trying to use an optical disc is pointless at best. HD video on the AppleTV takes less than 15 seconds to stream the entire movie, so it's good that Blu-ray has died out.
To make a claim that "HD video on the AppleTV takes less than 15 seconds to stream the entire movie" shows that you have no interest in the truth. (15 seconds to download a 5 GiB movie would require a 2.7 Gbps network link - not even the fictional NFSnet that you claim to be connected to can do that.)
I'm very sad to hear that Steve still feels this way about blu-ray. People absolutely care about quality once they've seen the picture quality blu-ray can deliver. Something that simply will never be practical with online streaming. At least not until there will be an ultra-high def format that will make 1080P look low res. By that time tech will have caught up to the 40/MB per FRAME quality of the best blu-ray discs, but by then no one will care.
It's impractical and silly to store 45GB 1080P movies on your server. I don't care if you can download them in a half hour, it's a waste of bandwidth and it's stupid. With the new 3D blu-ray format, the format will really take off... and that extra bitrate blu-ray offers verses streaming will become MUCH more apparent and Apple has the sad fate of really being left behind by not supporting the new home theater standard.
And to think, Apple is on the blu-ray group, and associated with Pixar, one of the biggest supporters of the format. 720P is NOT the HD standard Steve, and for that matter, neither is 1080P through a compressed crap bitrate.
If you can't see the difference, you have a piece of junk television. But thank God, many many people do... a great deal more then 'a tiny group of enthusiasts'. By the millions of blu-ray discs being sold.... it's obvious it's gone mainstream.
It's impractical and silly to store 45GB 1080P movies on your server. I don't care if you can download them in a half hour, it's a waste of bandwidth and it's stupid. With the new 3D blu-ray format, the format will really take off... and that extra bitrate blu-ray offers verses streaming will become MUCH more apparent and Apple has the sad fate of really being left behind by not supporting the new home theater standard.
And to think, Apple is on the blu-ray group, and associated with Pixar, one of the biggest supporters of the format. 720P is NOT the HD standard Steve, and for that matter, neither is 1080P through a compressed crap bitrate.
If you can't see the difference, you have a piece of junk television. But thank God, many many people do... a great deal more then 'a tiny group of enthusiasts'. By the millions of blu-ray discs being sold.... it's obvious it's gone mainstream.
ITA, go into any TV shop and look at a full 1080 HDTV against others and the difference is clear. I just got a new LCD for my G5 (1920x1080 so full HD) and while I know the G5 would probably never handle BD I'd love the option to at least try it out.
This whole debate has be sidetracked in to copyright law and downloads, the simple fact is if you want to watch 1080 HD on your Mac today there is only one option and it's not going out and buying BluRay discs.
I think he meant 15 seconds to stream part of the movie so you can go ahead and started the movie without any lag.
Correct, 15 seconds to watch the entire movie start to finish, with no lag... just like in a theater. I think that guy is still using a 1400 baud modem in some primitive country... so he can't understand what we are saying
Well, we need to keep in mind Steve is ahead of the market by about 5 years, so there wouldn't be a point to slow down the Mac platform by trying to include obsolete technology like Blu-ray.
Yes, it's already easy to stream the same quality, but I agree only advanced Mac users can do it. The upcoming AppleTV ends all that, so great days are ahead, the menace of optical discs are almost gone!
Correct, 15 seconds to watch the entire movie start to finish, with no lag... just like in a theater. I think that guy is still using a 1400 baud modem in some primitive country... so he can't understand what we are saying
Not everyone has access to high speed DSL or unlimited downloads, why do you think Apple still gives buyers the option of a USB modem. I only recently moved to an area with DSL Internet coverage, there are millions of others who simply can afford high speed internet but just can't get it at their current address.
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