You made it very clear that you are nobody sweetie.
WOW, that statement has so much of implied & hidden meaning, I am getting good @ this!
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Steve Jobs 'Worked Closely' on Design of Next-Generation iPhone with Larger Display
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You made it very clear that you are nobody sweetie.
WOW, that statement has so much of implied & hidden meaning, I am getting good @ this!
When I think of a file system in iOS, I always think of the iPad before the iPhone, as I'm more likely to do heavier work there.
See, I have no problem with simpler. I understand that not everyone needs a complicated, multi-tiered file system to work through, nor is it the best method for people to access their stuff. Computers are for everyone after all. Just because they don't have umpteen amount of years experience with one doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to use it.
Hell, when it comes right down to it, I'm all for simple. Needlessly complicated BS is just that: needlessly complicated. Who wants that? I know I don't.
The problem is, Apple's current iOS setup is only simple if you corral your usage of it within a very narrow range. Like when I first got my iPad and Pages, I did a quick edit on this huge PS tutorial I've been working on with a metric ****ton of pictures to get a feel for how it works (OH GOD YOU'RE RIGHT I AM A NERD). If all my pics were already on my Camera Roll, it'd be nice and smooth. But they weren't. I had to import them off my comp to the iPad, which I could only do through Dropbox. This means I had to go through 40 something-odd pics and save each one individually to get them to the Camera Roll. That kinda sucked a bit, and wasn't at all what I'd consider simple. It sure as hell wasn't any easier than just dragging and dropping a bunch of files between folders. It's a good thing I'm semi-patient, huh?
I'll be the first to admit I'm hardly in the prime demographic here. Most people use their iPads for internet goofery and tweeting, whereas I'm using it as a sort of netbook thingamajig and an extension of my desktop PC (also videogames and movies and stuff). Most of the time it works surprisingly well. But there are times when Apples "elegance" makes things considerably more difficult than they should be.
So what's the solution? Hell if I know. But I know sacrificing a ton of utility for a little bit of simplicity is NOT the way to go here. I'm sure they could find a happy medium given enough time.
Hmm
Yes, sir. I'll tell Tim and Johny that if the new iphone and macbooks don't meet your standards they should just not bother releasing the new models
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Hi, I'm no expert, and you do seem to know your way around aspect ratios and resolutions so here's my question: between the 3gs and 4 apple just doubled the resolution and kept the same size. what about if they do make the new iPhone 5" inches and double the resolution again?
Yes, sir. I'll tell Tim and Johny that if the new iphone and macbooks don't meet your standards they should just not bother releasing the new models
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Hi, I'm no expert, and you do seem to know your way around aspect ratios and resolutions so here's my question: between the 3gs and 4 apple just doubled the resolution and kept the same size. what about if they do make the new iPhone 5" inches and double the resolution again?
Question is, have you used a bigger screen for an extended period of time, equal to the time you've used a 3.5" screen? And did you make the switch without bad expectations?
There's something to be said about getting used to a screen size such that it becomes "perfect" to us, and also going into something expecting it to suck.
I don't know where you are in the UK, but in my part of the UK I walked into CPW and picked up one as an impulse buy about a week after launch?
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To make everyone happy, just think of 4" as 3.5" rounded up...and 4.3" rounded down! See everything remains optimal.
Not an extended amount of time. But every 4+ inch phone ive used, I come away thinking "what a huge device." fit a 4 inch screen on the current size iPhone and I can live with it. But I would still rather them just stick with 3.5 and make the phone thinner. And add LTE.
There are apps where one can add folders through itunes, but I hav nevr added pics that way and wantd to use them for a presentation like you mentioned... Tried any of those usb disk apps?
I have an iPod touch 2g, got outdated priittty early... apple din't launch 5g touch last sept. & I kinda saw tht coming frm their previous product releases pattern & am even more pissd @ them that 4g touch was not ram upgraded, causing a lot of issues for games like infinity blade 2, scourge of estillon (I hope I hav spelld tht bad boy right)
Just by design, there is more surface area to the 4" screen, so it can break more easily.
And my friend broke his Nexus's screen a week after he got it.
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Yes it does. There is more surface area. Breaking a small toothpick is harder than breaking a long one.
If you drop a large-screen phone, there are more places where the glass can be struck and crack the entire screen. Think about a hypothetical situation: you have a 12" iPhone (or iPad
). You drop it. Is it more or less likely to break than a 3.5" iPhone?
I grabbed one the other day, but haven't tried it out yet. I might give it a go here in the next few.
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Making the iPhone thinner would achieve about the same effect. You've got more surface area vs. width, which means it has less support overall. Which means it's more fragile. So a thinner 3.5" iPhone would be more likely to break than a thicker one would, right?
I guess if it were made out of balsa wood, you might have a point. But it's not, so no. A larger screen doesn't necessarily make it any more fragile. Well, maybe a larger iPhone of the same thickness could only support 250 PSI before it breaks vs. the 300 PSI the smaller iPhone 4s took before it snapped in two, but...eh. If you're ever in a situation where you're experiencing that much pressure, you're probably someplace where the last thing you'll be worried about is the state of your phone.
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Well, just by percentage of surface area that is glass, the iPhone with the larger screen is more likely to be struck somewhere on the glass than an iPhone with a smaller screen. Also, the bigger ones are heavier, so (usually) more force is applied to them when they fall. Imagine dropping an iPad. It's more likely that it will break than if you dropped an iPhone because the iPad has more screen area relative to the rest of the surface area, and it's heavier.
The whole thing is coated in glass, man. Big or small, lighter or heavier, you drop it, you've got a 99% chance of it landing on the glassy parts.
Plus a 4"+ iPhone isn't going to be THAT much heavier. We're talking maybe...1-2 ounces at the very, very, very most (30-60 grams for our metric friends) here. The weight difference won't be so great that it'll mean the difference between the life and death of a dropped phone.
Double Plus, the iPhone is one of the heavier phones out at the moment, specially considering it's size. Know why? CUZ IT'S COATED IN GLASS!
What is the obsession with making phones bigger and bigger? I used to have a phone that was the size of a house brick, it was too big for my pocket, I had to clip it to my belt. my next phone (a Nokia 6110) fitted in my pocket. I've had various phones since then, including smartphones. All were pocket sized devices.
My iPhone 4S is wider than that Nokia 6110 phone but fits in my pocket by virtue of being thin, however much bigger and we're starting to get ridiculous again. It's supposed to be a portable device that you hold up to your ear. Any bigger than 4" on the screen size and it becomes inconvenient.
My iPhone 4S is wider than that Nokia 6110 phone but fits in my pocket by virtue of being thin, however much bigger and we're starting to get ridiculous again. It's supposed to be a portable device that you hold up to your ear. Any bigger than 4" on the screen size and it becomes inconvenient.
Seems like you purchased your first phone in about 1982 and replaced it in 1997? You must have enjoyed that "house brick?"
He might've worked
He might have worked on it, to what extent is anyone's guess outside the apple fortress (Hell, even inside apple). As we come to know about several patents companies file, i guess R'n'D goes on, on several products and services same time. Its when they feel that something has potential of becoming a good product is when it brought in the limelight. So I'm pretty sure Steve would've worked on some aspect maybe hardware maybe software and as i said to what extent, is anyone's guess.
...lastly having 4-4.2 inches would be great minus the bezel (sweet dream though). Please, no 5 inches ipad covering my cheeks
He might have worked on it, to what extent is anyone's guess outside the apple fortress (Hell, even inside apple). As we come to know about several patents companies file, i guess R'n'D goes on, on several products and services same time. Its when they feel that something has potential of becoming a good product is when it brought in the limelight. So I'm pretty sure Steve would've worked on some aspect maybe hardware maybe software and as i said to what extent, is anyone's guess.
...lastly having 4-4.2 inches would be great minus the bezel (sweet dream though). Please, no 5 inches ipad covering my cheeks
I for one think that Jobs is getting too much credit and the autism example above is ridiculous, and I personally find it a bit sickening. I have an autistic cousin who can communicate with most people thanks to a computer as most of the time he's pretty silent, but he like's to draw on his computer, looking up images on the internet and pointing at them, and also he reads things from the screen. He also has an Android tablet and a phone which happens to be an iPhone which he always has on his person, but I would never, ever claim that Jobs has changed his life or has allowed him to communicate.perhaps it's not penicillin or polio or whatever, but here's proof Apple's devices are making a difference
http://www.google.ca/search?q=kids+...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
It's not saying he's a 'God' per say, but to snuff off claims that the i-devices haven't made a huge difference for some people is baseless, to say the least.
It's computers and electronic devices in general that help such people (and in this case touch-devices), there's nothing special about the iPad, they've just happened to select iPad for those children because it's currently the most popular tablet. It would be interesting to learn which amazing feature hand-crafted by Jobs has made it so great for autistic children. Ironically Android is more accessible because of its openness and my cousin uses two apps which you wouldn't be able to have on an iPad (there's one that sends a text message to his parents when he starts shaking the tablet, no matter which app he has open - not possible in iOS).
No, that's far from world-changing. He might have drastically improved his company though, because first and foremost he's a businessman. He was selling fairly expensive products (note that I'm not saying they are too expensive for what you get, I don't want to start that argument) to people who can afford them (mainly middle class people), and he was very good at it. He was also very passionate about what he was doing and that might have inspired some people.
But the Job's cult/myth is strong and it will be used to promote future products - as we can see in this example. It's a very clever marketing technique, because Apple are amazing at marketing their products, which is one of the reasons they're doing so well. Period.
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I'm note sure if anybody thought of this advantage.
I found a picture on the internet someone made with the taller iphone and I made a quick mock-up animation. While using the older apps keyboard would not take so much space anymore. At least in portrait mode. (also true for the newer apps)
For the older apps the keyboard would simply slide down while the app would slide up.
Animation with the slide
animation without slide - the app remain fixed in the center
I found a picture on the internet someone made with the taller iphone and I made a quick mock-up animation. While using the older apps keyboard would not take so much space anymore. At least in portrait mode. (also true for the newer apps)
For the older apps the keyboard would simply slide down while the app would slide up.
Animation with the slide
animation without slide - the app remain fixed in the center
There's a bit more to fragility in a modern phone case design that pure surface area. Materials, reinforcement points, shape.
Not all phones are designed or created equal. I'm pretty sure Apple knows this stuff (whereas it seems you don't) and will make sure a 4" iPhone is as sturdy if not more than 3.5" one, completely destroying your ludicrous notion.
What makes you think there's more glass ? Not all phones use full rear/front panels made out of glass like the iPhone. Some don't even use glass at all.
Think about a hypothetical situation: you have a 12" iPhone (or iPad
A ridiculous over exaggeration of your initial claim (3.5" to 4").
And with the iPhone 4's glass back (which isn't using Gorilla glass, only the front) compared to the iPad's aluminium, the iPhone is more likely to shatter. In fact, tons of reports on the web about shattered backs for iPhones.
There goes your notion that the iPhone is some kind of heavy duty piece of equipment with its 3.5".
Odd, that there is so little talk about how to have more screen and less volume, area or bulkiness.
You need to have small bezel to avoid accidental pressings, when holding the device. I have suggested in the past that to get a grip from the side of the screen, the outer ring (1cm?) of screen could also be non-touchscreen. GUI designers should just avoid putting buttons to the end of the screen.
But there's a lot of optimization that could be done to iphone's face.
Why speaker and home button can't be at the edge of the screen and also at the edge of the phone?
Making the aspect ratio to 1.78 (16:9) from 1.5 might help some, but the big change should be done in iPad. Maybe both having 1.5 would be a good compromise.
But they surely have to be closer to each other than 1.78 & 1.33 if same apps are used on both. 1.67 & 1.5 might also work.
I find it hard to type with iPhone in vertical mode, so if they would go with 1.78, maybe there should be new 3-row keyboard (letters in center and the rest on the sides).
HMMM, since these keyboards are software, I'm starting to miss customizing them... Can you do this without jailbreak?
It's very annoying when you are replying to someone's message in landscape mode and you see only tiny fraction of the message. 3-row keyboard would help.
I find it hard to believe that most people would find bigger screen annoying if it doesn't grow the overall volume much. Also, it can't be that big deal, if width grows a mm or two. Outer dimensions of iPhone are now about 2:1. There's no reason why there couldn't be similar screen in it.
I guess the original decision to go with 3.5" was just economical. Bigger touch screen 6 years ago could have easily cost more than the whole phone.
Life changes and evolves and so does tech. Shouting out that 3.5" will stay forever sounds to me the same like "640kB should be enough for all".
And if someone is worried about bulkiness, Apple could lighten the iPhone a lot by replacing the glass by plastic. Maybe they have an idea that phone feels more valuable when it feels heavy, but I'd like to test the lighter one...
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I hope it's LARGE! I have the HTC EVO 4G (4.3") and would replace it with an iPhone instantly - if it wasn't so tiny.
Once you have a larger display size - it's very difficult to downgrade.
And Voice Recognition to text for all apps!
Once you have a larger display size - it's very difficult to downgrade.
And Voice Recognition to text for all apps!
No they pushed larger screens because it is easier to get the components in the larger case and so they could include a much larger battery and get acceptable battery life. Remember how bad batter usage was in android, they had to have space for the bigger battery.
Nice job.
I think the major app makers can start dealing with some fragmentation and we can have different sizes. I want the phone to remain slim so it fits in my pocket. That seems more important to me than larger screen size.
Sorry entatlrg, I've just noticed your reply:
And I don't really understand what you're getting at. I'm not calling anyone here an "Apple fanboy", I'm merely stating that it will be funny to watch "Apple fanboys" explaining the new size, because previously they were defending the current size describing it as perfect and stating that it should not be changed. I think this is a completely reasonable remark. How on Earth is that rude? You are clearly misinterpreting my sentence. Or is it not allowed here to claim that "Apple fanboys" exist? Are we hush hush about them, are they taboo?
Yes, you were very rude and immature there, you've offended him just because he expressed his completely reasonable and valid opinion; and you've clearly noticed that too as you've quickly edited your original post. It's good that you've corrected yourself and hopefully you won't be making the same mistake again.
And I don't really understand what you're getting at. I'm not calling anyone here an "Apple fanboy", I'm merely stating that it will be funny to watch "Apple fanboys" explaining the new size, because previously they were defending the current size describing it as perfect and stating that it should not be changed. I think this is a completely reasonable remark. How on Earth is that rude? You are clearly misinterpreting my sentence. Or is it not allowed here to claim that "Apple fanboys" exist? Are we hush hush about them, are they taboo?
And how did that work out for them? Sales off the charts and highest satisfaction rates ever. The fact is, you are in the minority. Jailbreakers are in the minority.
iTunes might be clunky for some (3, 4 million?) but for the majority of users iTunes is easy to understand. And for a good reason. iTunes always treated your music as music not files (unlike for example, Winamp). You buy your music and that's it. You don't care how or where it is stored. Why should I care anyway?
The days modern Operating Systems exposing file systems to users are limited, so enjoy it while you can. I, for one, am looking forward to the day I don't need to manage files and folders or even see them.
There's no way Apple is going to change the resolution of the iPhone 5 unless it's to 1440x960 which will maintain app compatibility as all iPhone apps are 480x320 points. Any other resolution change would break app compatibility with over 600,000 apps just to have a slightly larger screen, and a taller iPhone would be out of the question as it would make new or updated apps too tall for their width in portrait, and too short for their width in landscape, although preserving app compatiblity somewhat. And both of those resolution changes results in more work for developers.
By "glass" I meant the screen part. If you break the glass on the rest of it, it doesn't really matter (other than appearance). The bigger one will have a larger screen area compared to the rest of the body.
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If you break the glass on the back, it will not crack the screen, so it doesn't count. I don't care what the back is made of. The 4" iPhone will have more surface area on the screen part compared to the rest of the body than the 3.5" iPhone will. If you break any part of the glass on the screen, it will crack a large portion of the screen. And the point of the iPad vs iPhone dropping was that it is an exaggeration to show a bigger difference than 3.5" vs 4".