Yeah, I really don't get the dash-dot design. Either make it one whole dash or a smaller notch. The gap in between is just a little weird. That said, I'm sure most will adjust to whatever they roll out.
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Technology to Embed Face ID into MacBook Displays 'Doesn't Exist,' Says Gurman
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I don’t think Apple will do that. I think Apple will find a way to implement it on a notch. Just taking baby steps.
My point was, FaceID is broken. Among the many issues already well documented, it cannot differentiate between identical twins. I have personal experience of this. TouchID did not have this problem.Technology advances, get on board with it!
- Horses worked fine and weren't broken, but yet we have cars.
- Hand-cranked drills weren't broken, but yet we have electric ones.
- Rolling building materials around on chopped down trees wasn't broken, but yet we have trucks.
Oh goodness, where to start.
- It's not all about enhanced security (this is a nice extra), FaceID is primarily around high levels of convenience. You'd open your MacBook and it's unlocked. No positioning your finger for a brief moment which takes a couple of seconds to do.
- It is far, far easier to spoof TouchID than FaceID. Back when FaceID was released, yes there were issues, but Apple has mopped these issues up and FaceID is now more secure than ever.
- There has been zero evidence to prove that the FaceID "unlock with a mask" feature is any less secure. They've said it is less accurate (as seen in screenshots), but that doesn't mean it's less secure. If the result of an authentication can't be reliably determined, it won't authenticate. It just means you'll be likely to have fewer successful authentications, not more unsuccessful ones.
- Twins don't have identical fingerprints.
- FaceID is convenient as hell, that's why people are interested in seeing it in more devices.
- Apple Watch doesn't need bioauthentication at all, because you can use your iPhone to unlock it. Would be an overcomplication, make the device more expensive, and take up more space that could be afforded to things like battery (which is important on tiny devices like the Watch).
I absolutely agree, but they should have found a way of incorporating Touch ID into their premium phones as well as the inferior FaceID, such as a sensor on the back. Other manufacturers have done it.
It's not broken though, you're experiencing a well-known technical limitation. Your point here: "it cannot differentiate between identical twins" - please, say this out loud a couple of times and think about what you're saying there.
It's far easier to spoof TouchID than it is to spoof FaceID.
Your hand is already on your phone, why do you need Face ID at all? You could just tap the Touch ID? Right? That’s your argument against it. So you negated the whole use case for Face ID completely at the same time.
I personally hate faceId and don’t want it even if it is incredibly convenient and find touchID to be superior in nearly every way… but let’s remember faceId is ENTIRELY about convenience, not security. Both apple biometric options are far weaker than strong password encryption…. This is a convenience issue and most people will give up whole a lot for simply incremental increases to that convenience. That is the entire purpose of faceId … (oh and likely to desensitize us to using face-scanning tech too.)
Correct. FaceID was just some fancy tech to fix a problem that didn't exist, unless you unfortunately had no fingers, and which alienated a whole cohort (twins/triplets etc). Whatever you do alienates some minority, but TouchID was fine for 99.9999% of the population, and didn't need replacing with something which was useful to less people.
We're each limited by the contexts or our own experiences. If I didn't have identical twins, it's not something I'd think about either. Run it by me again how many people managed to use TouchID to get in your old phone which was say only programmed to only accept your fingerprint? I'm going with a none, despite statistics (sales blurb) claiming FaceID is more secure.
I appreciate that my understanding of this technology is minimal, but why can't they use a stealth cloaking device to hide the massive bulge needed to house all the face capture doodadery?
Then what's up with all the "Identical Twins vs Face ID" videos on YouTube? I've yet to find one where Face ID didn't work on the other twin (or even a similar looking sibling). Maybe you're confusing yourself with Touch ID, where their fingerprints are actually different?
Even Apple seems to acknowledge this:
(https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108)
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I can clearly see why people would like FaceID, just as I can see why people want touch screens. Personally I've found myself not missing either of it despite having used both on other machines before. I believe it's one of those things that people imagine to be better than it actually is.
I'm personally slow to adopt new things, but I got the hang of touch ID right away. It's intuitive, and at least for me "convenient enough" that I am not willing to have a visually mutilated device if that's what it would take to make it work.
Also ... touchID is explicit. faceID is implicit. Maybe I just wanna sit at my desk, having a talk with someone, without my screen unlocking, revealing that I'm in the middle of a My Little Pony re-watch. In general I prefer computers to do what I tell them when I tell them, and not when they think I could maybe have wanted it.
I'm personally slow to adopt new things, but I got the hang of touch ID right away. It's intuitive, and at least for me "convenient enough" that I am not willing to have a visually mutilated device if that's what it would take to make it work.
Also ... touchID is explicit. faceID is implicit. Maybe I just wanna sit at my desk, having a talk with someone, without my screen unlocking, revealing that I'm in the middle of a My Little Pony re-watch. In general I prefer computers to do what I tell them when I tell them, and not when they think I could maybe have wanted it.
now show it from side profile
because the side profile of faceID electronics is the enemy for the macbooks lids
Technically it’s possible for Apple to shrink the notch by stacking the hardware behind the FaceID system or make use of a pill form cutout by simply tapering the top half of the display to be thick enough to house it. Imagine MBA tapered design slightly but in reverse for the lid. There will be no camera bump and who knows with the increase in thickness introduce a 4K camera with CenterStage and some other innovative inclusions.
From a profile point of view it would be barely noticeable, the weight marginal and it would make the Mac laptop look unique and identifiable from profile and when opened. With the wedge increased thickness, led lights on the side of the display can provide indications such as battery level, notification, indication of BT/mic ON/OFF while in clamshell mode.
This used to be my opinion as well until I switched from Android to an iPhone 13. Any water, sweat, oils, dirt or anything else on your fingers will prevent a fingerprint reader from working. FaceID just works.
They made the new MacBook Pros thicker, why would anyone care if the display was slightly thicker, and then made the body thinner to compensate. There really be no difference in size. And maybe better display technology.
OR not a popular opinion but they could put an ultrawide camera, with FaceID components at the bottom, pointing up. That way they could do a true edge to edge display.
OR not a popular opinion but they could put an ultrawide camera, with FaceID components at the bottom, pointing up. That way they could do a true edge to edge display.
That’s misleading as iPhone and iPad also have rear cameras. Mac laptops lid is thinner, don’t get me wrong but a tapered top portion like the MBA will provide enough thickness to house FaceID and more, plus it would not counter balance when opened at any angle as the weight is minimal. This is my innovative minimal approach while retaining aesthetics and convenient technology, if I can think of a solution while resolving the engineering issue, why can’t a Trillion dollar valuation company have had this solution already in the present 2021 MBP.