Tesla is planning to release the Cybertruck in 2023. The original Roadster is long gone but the next generation Roadster is still on the table, at least for now.
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Tesla Design Chief on Apple Products: 'There's Nothing to Look Forward To'
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Tesla is planning to release the Cybertruck in 2023. The original Roadster is long gone but the next generation Roadster is still on the table, at least for now.
Says the company that's released 4 cars all with the same, boring 4-door design.
Oh, and something a grade school kid using CAD for the first time would design that they claim is a truck.
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Somewhat off-topic, but at least Apple devices don't physically fall apart if it rains.
Oh, and something a grade school kid using CAD for the first time would design that they claim is a truck.
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Somewhat off-topic, but at least Apple devices don't physically fall apart if it rains.
LOL Franz. Go ahead and spew your Elon propaganda. Your vehicles are nothing to inspire. Watch your back. Because this company is coming after you quickly with a far nicer product that is actually reliable and has body panels that fit correctly. Tesla is so overrated. My brothers 2021 Model 3 Dual Motor has more issues than a mouse with no cheese.
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They are quite useful. I mean there must be a reason that they sell as many of them as they do. Mind you series 6 is the first AW that I got. I didn't have use for it until last year, but never had the arrogance to say that it isn't useful. Now, upgrading your iPhone every year... but again — to each his own
Do not deride the yoke. Fans of the car that was used in the TV series Knight Rider love the yoke. Have seen a number of youtube videos of fans fitting the yoke on their tesla cars, they love it.
I didn't say anyone is leaps and bounds ahead. I said they had come on leaps and bounds. By having to come from a long way back, they needed to come on in leaps and bounds to match Apple, but in some cases have gone a bit ahead. But there are better designs around.
But for an example of where the opposition is ahead: I think the Huawei MateBook X Pro 2022 is a better designed device than any current MacBook, with several nice design touches (I'm not saying that the Huawei is better in every way, I'm talking about the design). The small bezels work well. The 3:2 ratio screen gives a lot of screen space for the device size. But Apple was all about the little design touches. Apple laptop lids are often not as easy as they could be to lift one-handed as the indent for a finger is too small, the corners are too sharp, and the balanced precision of old is no longer there. Front-centre the Huawei has the base set back compared to the lid to make it easy to open. The trackpad also looks neat as it extends to the front edge.
Someone on these forums recently put up a link to the iMac G4 launch. Steve Jobs was clearly excited to be showing it, and describing the neat features. The crowd were also excited by what they were seeing. That delight has been missing from Apple products for a long time. They are still good, but there are other computers I see that I would prefer if they had macOS.
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While I absolutely love Apple products, ecosystem, performance, etc. I do slightly agree with him. I don't see myself upgrading my iPhone 12 Pro any time soon. The 13 is essentially the same phone (yes better specs, sure), and it is looking like iPhone 14 is going to be very similar (besides possibly (FINALLY) removing the notch). Not enough for me to upgrade.
When I went from iPhone 7 to iPhone XR that actually felt like a huge upgrade getting much more screen real estate. But besides going from curved edges to the current squared-off edges (which I love), the iPhone X generation to current is largely the same experience. When I switched from XR to 12 Pro, I was excited, it's a new phone of course, but I was a little underwhelmed once the novelty wore off. It is the same feeling. Yes, performance is great, battery life is great, cameras at this point are becoming overkill for MOST users. There is really not that much to look forward to. This has been largely the same phone for the past 3-4 years whether you like it or not. The only thing I will say is a big upgrade is the high refresh rate on the 13 Pro. Other than that, you are getting damn near the same experience as the phones 3-4 years old. That is what he is saying.
Same thing with Macs. We have been looking at the SAME chassis (while I have a MBP and I love it) since 2016? There have been virtually no visual changes in those 5-6 years. Yes, performance has been amazingly improved, but I don't think that is what he is getting at. There hasn't been anything to look forward to in this field in a long time, visually. Performance, Apple has made STRIDES, absolutely. But as far as better performance in the same chassis that is 6 years old, come on Apple. There isn't anything to look forward to for years in terms of a 'new' concept.
Don't get me wrong, Apple is still killing it on all levels, but I think he has a point. The 'experience' has largely been the same for years. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it". And I get that. The hardware is great, but for the largest company in the world to not come up with things to look forward to that make you feel a certain way, that has not been the case in a while for me at least. I think this is what he is referring to, and I believe he is right. I am looking forward to seeing if Apple can change that with hopefully the new Macbook Air redesign, and entry-level MBP. I am just not holding my breath on anything to look forward to in terms of iPhone for a while. Getting rid of a notch that most phones have not had in years is not something that we should 'look forward to' it is something we should expect from the greatest company of all time. Apple needs to push the boundaries to give something to look forward to.
When I went from iPhone 7 to iPhone XR that actually felt like a huge upgrade getting much more screen real estate. But besides going from curved edges to the current squared-off edges (which I love), the iPhone X generation to current is largely the same experience. When I switched from XR to 12 Pro, I was excited, it's a new phone of course, but I was a little underwhelmed once the novelty wore off. It is the same feeling. Yes, performance is great, battery life is great, cameras at this point are becoming overkill for MOST users. There is really not that much to look forward to. This has been largely the same phone for the past 3-4 years whether you like it or not. The only thing I will say is a big upgrade is the high refresh rate on the 13 Pro. Other than that, you are getting damn near the same experience as the phones 3-4 years old. That is what he is saying.
Same thing with Macs. We have been looking at the SAME chassis (while I have a MBP and I love it) since 2016? There have been virtually no visual changes in those 5-6 years. Yes, performance has been amazingly improved, but I don't think that is what he is getting at. There hasn't been anything to look forward to in this field in a long time, visually. Performance, Apple has made STRIDES, absolutely. But as far as better performance in the same chassis that is 6 years old, come on Apple. There isn't anything to look forward to for years in terms of a 'new' concept.
Don't get me wrong, Apple is still killing it on all levels, but I think he has a point. The 'experience' has largely been the same for years. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it". And I get that. The hardware is great, but for the largest company in the world to not come up with things to look forward to that make you feel a certain way, that has not been the case in a while for me at least. I think this is what he is referring to, and I believe he is right. I am looking forward to seeing if Apple can change that with hopefully the new Macbook Air redesign, and entry-level MBP. I am just not holding my breath on anything to look forward to in terms of iPhone for a while. Getting rid of a notch that most phones have not had in years is not something that we should 'look forward to' it is something we should expect from the greatest company of all time. Apple needs to push the boundaries to give something to look forward to.
I’ll just say that the only thing that I have to look forward to from Tesla is the Constant recall notices. (And the safety investigations) it’s hard to even keep up. Mind your own house there sir.
Well, I rather prefer solid and durable products that will last for a good number of years. Apple operates in markets where there generally are fairly mature products. Updates are bound to be iterative at this point for phones and laptops. Apple silicone seems to provide a leap forward. But how much could, or would one even want, these products to change from one year to the next?
Doesn't the MME look like an bloated Mustang though?
Not saying the MME looks bad, it too looks somewhat generic, which isn't a bad thing.
This post sure struck a nerve with people on here. I actually get what he's saying. I use to be so excited for any apple release and while I still enjoy watching them, it's different. Not necessarily at the fault of apple, just the nature of the technology. Phone releases year-over-year have been much more incredibly boring than the first few years they existed. Features are much more built out and design is pretty limited. iPads feel the same way. Is he wrong in saying those products, the products they sale the most of, are indeed more of a continuation? If I look back over the years, the last few years haven't been as earth shattering as much as the years where they went from the g3 iMacs to the g4 to the intel, released iPod - iPod touch - iPod nano, iPhone and iPad. Apple Watch was announced 7 years ago and nothing considerable has changed with it. So while I look forward to the 'next big thing', I do feel like it's more of a continuation.
Now Tesla...
They have disrupted the auto industry and what they are doing while may not seem earth shattering to people on here is actually full of opportunity. Not based off one individual thing, but collectively. And this isn't the easiest market to do things with. There have been a number of start-up car companies that have all failed. Breaking through to compete with the larger manufactures is so incredibly difficult compared to releasing a single tech product. I don't think people adequately understand or notice the difference between car manufacturing at scale vs electronics. If what they are doing isn't that impressive, name one company that was created before Tesla in the last 20-30 years that didn't already exist in another country outside of the US before being brought over here?
Apple vs Tesla
I'm highly skeptical of how this will play out. They'll eventually get to compete against Tesla, but actual competition to outsell them won't happen for 10+ years at the earliest. We're at least 4 years out I'd imagine before anything actually happens. I'd still put money on them trying to license software before actually releasing an apple branded vehicle. But beside that point, Tesla is expected to produce almost 1 million vehicles in the US in a year or two once Texas gets into full production. Apple doesn't just start at that capacity and by the time they do, I think Tesla will be building another factory in the US. People seem way to confident like apple will release a car and magically dethrone Tesla, but my counter argument is what makes you think apple can produce something, but also produce it in large quantities when every single other auto manufacture besides Tesla is completely struggling to ramp up production?
Let's not act like either company is perfect... I say that as I turn my mouse over to charge it or I see continual delays of FSD. Both companies delay products, announce features that never happen, and come out with questionable designs. Both have and will be incredibly successful and I'm just glad they both exist. Let them compete and push each other in the auto world. We will all win because of it.
Now Tesla...
They have disrupted the auto industry and what they are doing while may not seem earth shattering to people on here is actually full of opportunity. Not based off one individual thing, but collectively. And this isn't the easiest market to do things with. There have been a number of start-up car companies that have all failed. Breaking through to compete with the larger manufactures is so incredibly difficult compared to releasing a single tech product. I don't think people adequately understand or notice the difference between car manufacturing at scale vs electronics. If what they are doing isn't that impressive, name one company that was created before Tesla in the last 20-30 years that didn't already exist in another country outside of the US before being brought over here?
Apple vs Tesla
I'm highly skeptical of how this will play out. They'll eventually get to compete against Tesla, but actual competition to outsell them won't happen for 10+ years at the earliest. We're at least 4 years out I'd imagine before anything actually happens. I'd still put money on them trying to license software before actually releasing an apple branded vehicle. But beside that point, Tesla is expected to produce almost 1 million vehicles in the US in a year or two once Texas gets into full production. Apple doesn't just start at that capacity and by the time they do, I think Tesla will be building another factory in the US. People seem way to confident like apple will release a car and magically dethrone Tesla, but my counter argument is what makes you think apple can produce something, but also produce it in large quantities when every single other auto manufacture besides Tesla is completely struggling to ramp up production?
Let's not act like either company is perfect... I say that as I turn my mouse over to charge it or I see continual delays of FSD. Both companies delay products, announce features that never happen, and come out with questionable designs. Both have and will be incredibly successful and I'm just glad they both exist. Let them compete and push each other in the auto world. We will all win because of it.
i'm on the apple upgrade program so every year i get a new phone. i find myself going without my watch for a week and don't miss it.They are quite useful. I mean there must be a reason that they sell as many of them as they do. Mind you series 6 is the first AW that I got. I didn't have use for it until last year, but never had the arrogance to say that it isn't useful. Now, upgrading your iPhone every year... but again — to each his own
This is a great point but I do think there is a "final form" with most computing technology where form and function are optimized. You can put a Mac mini in a spherical plastic container...but you get nothing but some weird aesthetics. The iMac is in that form...the iPhone is very near that form (need to lose notch). But...innovation and surprise is always welcome.
because its one thing to slap couple components to make a phone, its on a completely different level to build a vehicle.
People are mentioning the delayed tesla truck but don't forget about the roadster that has taken peoples deposits and is delayed about five years.
A lot of talk from a guy who has just used the skew function in Photoshop to design the Y, the X, the 3, and the S.
This guy.... What does he really think apple can do with the iphone. Yes, it gets tweeked every year and that's what they all do. Now I don't know if he is forgetting that apple also works on other projects (car, 3D headset, etc.).
Tesla design chief Franz von Holzhausen recently commented on Apple's design principles and product launches, lamenting that Apple doesn't deliver something "to look forward to."
During a podcast interview with Spike Feresten of Spike's Car Radio (via iPhone in Canada and Sawyer Merritt), Holzhausen said that Apple's devices are "just a continuation" and a "slight refinement on the same thing."
He also said that he "hates to say it" but he wears an Apple Watch "just because of the fitness thing side to it. Otherwise I haven't really found much purpose to it, other than the fitness part."
Holzhausen is responsible for designing the Tesla Model S, the Model 3, the Model X, and the Model Y, along with the unreleased Cybertruck. He has been with Tesla since 2008, and before that, he was the chief of design at Mazda and led the design of the Mazda Kabura concept car.
Apple and Tesla have a long history of poaching employees from one another, and Tesla CEO Elon Musk has also publicly sniped at Apple. Back in 2015, Musk famously called Apple the "Tesla Graveyard," and claimed that "if you don't make it at Tesla, you go work at Apple."
Article Link: Tesla Design Chief on Apple Products: 'There's Nothing to Look Forward To'
If by "innovation" you mean making random physical design changes, then you are of course correct.