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hey, i didn't get to see my stars advance in the 4 ot game (it was way too late), but i enjoyed the parts that i did see. i was starting to think dallas was going to pull a choke job or something. but the next series looks great, dallas vs. detroit, old rivals renewed.
 
Hey! Atleast they made it to the playoffs.

Ooooo- all the way to the 2nd round. Big accomplishment. I'd rather not make the playoffs and get a better draft pick than lose in the 2nd round. At least there's no let down for me- I know my team isn't a winner right now. It took an extra month for you to find that out about yours. :D :) ;)


hey, i didn't get to see my stars advance in the 4 ot game (it was way too late), but i enjoyed the parts that i did see. i was starting to think dallas was going to pull a choke job or something. but the next series looks great, dallas vs. detroit, old rivals renewed.

Hopefully it's a better series than the Avs.-Wings let down/yawner. They were old rivals too.

My prediction for Dallas/Detroit:
Detroit in 7, but I'd rather see Dallas win. I wouldn't mind being wrong here.

It will be great to see Turco vs. Osgood. Awesome goalie match up.
 
Again, at least they made it to the playoffs. They came a long way, from being almost in the dumbs to being up there. Sure it sucks but I'd rather die a habs fan then a leafs fan anyday.
 
My prediction for Dallas/Detroit:
Detroit in 7, but I'd rather see Dallas win. I wouldn't mind being wrong here.

It will be great to see Turco vs. Osgood. Awesome goalie match up.

I still picked the Stars to win in 7. It could really go either way. I want to see the D* advance.

Judging by the goalies, we might have a somewhat low scoring series.
 
Again, at least they made it to the playoffs. They came a long way, from being almost in the dumbs to being up there. Sure it sucks but I'd rather die a habs fan then a leafs fan anyday.

Aw, aren't Habs fans cute? It's adorable! :)

I still picked the Stars to win in 7. It could really go either way. I want to see the D* advance.

Judging by the goalies, we might have a somewhat low scoring series.

Yeah, it probably will be low scoring- but in a good way, not in a boring way.

I'd rather see D* advance, but the Wings are just so strong. D* are in for a tough battle.

Maybe Hasek will play one game and Hull will come out of retirement and stick his foot in the crease on a goal for old times sake.:D
 
Yeah, it probably will be low scoring- but in a good way, not in a boring way.

I'd rather see D* advance, but the Wings are just so strong. D* are in for a tough battle.

Maybe Hasek will play one game and Hull will come out of retirement and stick his foot in the crease on a goal for old times sake.:D

So you mean hockey pre-lockout style? I love it! The NHL will not.

It should be an epic series, one can only hope though.

Ahhhhh memories. :D
 
Aw, thanks. Your sweet.


So 4-1 for Pens is my prediction

You're welcome. :)

4-1 Pens! Wow, that's a gutsy prediction. You really don't think that the Flyers have a better chance than that, even after beating your first place Habs? I think the Flyers can win at least 2 games, but I agree with you- the Pens will take the series.

This will be an interesting series, methinks.
 

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I haven't read everything I've missed and was away from MR for the last week, week and a half, somehow coincidentally concurrent to my Avs getting it handed to them by the Wings. But all that is not on which to dwell, for the home stretch for the Quest of Lord Stanley's Cup is upon us. Personally I can't stand the extra day and think tonight should have been a game 1. This Thursday/Friday 3 full days off crap is ridiculous.

So I guess now I should predict something...

Well the Battle of Pennsylvania while unexpected should be really good. Question remains is with the Pens losing one game so far, what will happen. How long can the Flyers ride their success. Or does it just show how close the East really was and how much momentum is the x factor. I will have to say that the offense of Pittsburgh, their Power Play and their netminding all make them the favorite. The Flyers seem to be winning on a mix of opportune plays, grit, and perseverance. At this point I will have to pick the Penguins in 6, though I think a bounce here or there could go 5 or 7. If Philly is going to win it will have to be in 6, no less and certainly not 7, they are not going to win two game sevens on the road in one playoff year.

Out West is the Battle of Big D vs. Crime D. Sorry Detroit but you make South Central look safe. Is it a wonder all the RoboCop movies are set there? Anyway I digress, can you tell I'm still bitter. Well there is that which I want and that which is realistic. Can Dallas go on to the Cup Finals? Yes, but they will have to play quite well. Their margin for error is smaller. Will the Wings show their weaknesses like they did in Round 1? Was Colorado just too injury riddled overall and inexperienced on their blue line to handle Detroit? One thing that Dallas has in their favor is that they are a much better team right now than either team Detroit faced so far. The other is that Detroit's goaltending is mediocre at best. Yes Osgood is leading in GAA but he really hasn't seen much in the way of shots b/c of how Detroit controls puck possession. If the Stars can put offensive pressure on Detroit, we could very well see Hasek back in net, and that's a win-win for Dallas. Detroit's weakness is in net. You just have to get to it. And Dallas can certainly do that better than anyone else has so far. Prediction: Dallas in 6. But that is also what I want. Will it happen? If Detroit wins, see it go 6 or 7, they certainly won't roll through the Stars in 4 or 5.

The NHL and mister Bettman would love a Wings - Pens Finals for ratings. And I certainly won't mind that as it will make for entertaining hockey. As I have no love for Dallas really (cept my Cowboys but that's another thread), my hope does lie in seeing an East winner this year. And if Sid the Kid does hoist, that will help the face of the game.
 
Personally I can't stand the extra day and think tonight should have been a game 1. This Thursday/Friday 3 full days off crap is ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more. The NHL is really screwing themselves. By waiting so long, it allows people to find other things to do or watch (such as the NBA playoffs). And they wonder why ratings are low. I remember last year- wasn't there almost a week between the Conference Finals and the Finals? So stupid. Why can't they take a lesson from the NBA and just start as soon as the last round finishes?

So I guess now I should predict something...

Well the Battle of Pennsylvania while unexpected should be really good. Question remains is with the Pens losing one game so far, what will happen. How long can the Flyers ride their success. Or does it just show how close the East really was and how much momentum is the x factor. I will have to say that the offense of Pittsburgh, their Power Play and their netminding all make them the favorite. The Flyers seem to be winning on a mix of opportune plays, grit, and perseverance. At this point I will have to pick the Penguins in 6, though I think a bounce here or there could go 5 or 7. If Philly is going to win it will have to be in 6, no less and certainly not 7, they are not going to win two game sevens on the road in one playoff year.

Out West is the Battle of Big D vs. Crime D. Sorry Detroit but you make South Central look safe. Is it a wonder all the RoboCop movies are set there? Anyway I digress, can you tell I'm still bitter. Well there is that which I want and that which is realistic. Can Dallas go on to the Cup Finals? Yes, but they will have to play quite well. Their margin for error is smaller. Will the Wings show their weaknesses like they did in Round 1? Was Colorado just too injury riddled overall and inexperienced on their blue line to handle Detroit? One thing that Dallas has in their favor is that they are a much better team right now than either team Detroit faced so far. The other is that Detroit's goaltending is mediocre at best. Yes Osgood is leading in GAA but he really hasn't seen much in the way of shots b/c of how Detroit controls puck possession. If the Stars can put offensive pressure on Detroit, we could very well see Hasek back in net, and that's a win-win for Dallas. Detroit's weakness is in net. You just have to get to it. And Dallas can certainly do that better than anyone else has so far. Prediction: Dallas in 6. But that is also what I want. Will it happen? If Detroit wins, see it go 6 or 7, they certainly won't roll through the Stars in 4 or 5.

The NHL and mister Bettman would love a Wings - Pens Finals for ratings. And I certainly won't mind that as it will make for entertaining hockey. As I have no love for Dallas really (cept my Cowboys but that's another thread), my hope does lie in seeing an East winner this year. And if Sid the Kid does hoist, that will help the face of the game.

I can pretty much agree with your Pitt/Phil analysis.

I don't agree with your assessment of Detroit's goaltending. Osgood is far from mediocre. He's been playing his balls off this season. Don't forget he's won a Cup before. Yes, he has a great team in front of him, but he makes the key saves when he needs to- he's been clutch for the Wings this season and during these playoffs. He's just not a flashy goalie, so it's hard to think of him as great.

The only thing that can stop Detroit is Turco. He's the key for D* to win this series. If he's hot, they have a chance.
Oh, in case anyone is interested, there was a great interview with Turco from Monday's edition of Hockeycentral (check iTunes). He talks about what it was like during the 4OT game on Sunday.

I'm sure the NHL would love a Pens/Wings final. But I think they'd love a Pens/Stars final as well. As long as Sid the Kid is involved, they'll be happy.

Screw the face of the game stuff. The NHL should realize that they need to market their game differently than the NBA, NFL, or MLB. The NHL is just not in the same league in terms of popularity amongst Americans as the others, and they never will be. They need to start marketing regionally and at a grassroots level. Whoever deserves the Cup should win it. Having Sidney Crosby win won't do much for the NHL in terms of increasing the popularity of the Game nationally. A lot of people still don't even know who he is. If he wins or another team wins, it will still only get the 30 second (or maybe only 15 second) blurb on US sports and news channels. And, of course, not as the top story.

/My 2 cents.
 
Nice to have you back in here roland.g

Excellent analysis of the East, it's pretty much spot on.

I do think you are undervaluing the play of Osgood. Like surely said, he ain't flashy but he's pretty damn filthy.

Turco is of coruse the questionmark for the D*. Can they continue to keep pucks away from him? This series will be decided by the goaltending IMHO. It should be a pretty epic series.

I have no comment about the NHL right now. I'm too tired to even abuse them right now.
 
paul maurice fired

Surely, you see why i hate the friggin' leafs? moronic decision...retarded actually...lack of brain power.

the leafs failed b/c of 2 reasons:
1. the GM was a moron (no trade clause heaven)
2. directly to #1, their board of governors were too cheap to go out
and spend the money to get quality free agents

so they fire their coach. poor scapegoat. i bet he's glad to be out of there.

bring him to Ottawa. he's a good coach. how can you do anything with wade friggin' belak on your team???

morons...
 
Well I'll admit that I am a bit biased when it comes to the Wings. But I do know good hockey and while I do hate them, I also respect them. Their passing skill and puck possession game along with the skating ability is really unmatched. While they have played in recent years (and though getting better still very true) in an inferior division as far as competition that does not take away from the skill of their core players. The Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Zetterberg, Datysuk, Chelios group as well as many of their other players gives them a pretty stacked and scary deck. And yes the once Dominator turned Flopinator Hasek as well as the Osgood won two cups a decade ago give them experienced, seasoned playoff goaltenders. But in both the Nashville and Colorado series Osgood was not particularly tested and most of the goals he did give up while not weak were not great goals either. Based on that I think if the Stars get quality shots on him, and the quantity is fairly balanced, then Dallas has the edge in net. In the past Turco has been a Round 1 flameout, losing to the Avs a few years ago in 5 with the higher seed. But this year he is playing really well and I think better than Osgood. It just comes down to which teams forwards are putting more pressure on the other goalie. If Detroit outshoots Dallas 40-30, I would give Dallas the win. If it is 40-20, give Detroit the win.

And yes Surely I have found myself watching some NBA recently.
My wife doesn't care for my overexuberance for hockey watching and doesn't understand how I can watch virtually any team and every game come playoff time. She was out of town Monday night and no hockey. Last night I had a practice/scrimmage as my summer season starts Sunday. Tonight she has a birthday party. I guess I'll catch some of the Lakers game. Pistons-Magic: boring. Tomorrow night and friday she's home. TV wars.
 
Surely, you see why i hate the friggin' leafs? moronic decision...retarded actually...lack of brain power.

the leafs failed b/c of 2 reasons:
1. the GM was a moron (no trade clause heaven)
2. directly to #1, their board of governors were too cheap to go out
and spend the money to get quality free agents

so they fire their coach. poor scapegoat. i bet he's glad to be out of there.

bring him to Ottawa. he's a good coach. how can you do anything with wade friggin' belak on your team???

morons...

Um.... WTH are you talking about?

Not a moronic decision. Not retarded. Not a lack of brain power.

1. Yes, Ferguson wasn't the best choice for GM in the first place. He fu**ed up big time with a lot of the signing and all of the no trade clauses to highly paid players. He's not a moron though.
2. I think you mean the Board of Directors. Too cheap? Are you aware of the salary cap in the NHL? That means you can't spend more than the cap's limit. The Leafs have been very close to the cap limit since the cap was put into place, and have no room to spend any more money. What are you talking about?

Yes, they had to fire the coach. That is normal. I think it was a very classy move by Fletcher and the Leafs. Either you do it now and give the guy time to find another job before the summer, or you wait until they hire a new GM, and that GM would have fired him then. The new GM would have wanted to put his own people in place anyway. Why make Maurice wait another 2-3 months in limbo waiting to be fired? Now he can pursue other offers, if there are any.

He's a good coach but not a great coach. What makes him a great coach? Getting to the conference finals once with Carolina? Here are his career NHL coaching stats, courtesy of wikipedia:
G------W-----L-----T----OTL
838---344---356---99----38
That's a .410 win percentage, BTW.

Sure, bring him to Ottawa, I'd be fine with that. They seem to be used to mediocracy.

If you haven't noticed, Wade Belak was just signed to a 2 year deal by the Panthers. Why? Because he's a character player that makes an impact on the ice and in the dressing room. They traded him at the deadline because Maurice wouldn't use him anymore. Bad coaching decision by him IMO.

Did you think that your analysis was well thought out and accurate? Maybe you should stop allowing your hate for The Centre Of The Hockey Universe cloud your judgement. Go eat some poutine and relax.:D
 
Pens in 5

Wings in 7

I think Dallas will take most of the games in their home, but I don't know if they will be able to pull the series past Detroit.

I think you might be underestimating the Flyers. I agree that Pitt will win, but the Flyers should win at least two games in this series. I think Montreal underestimated them too- now look where they are.
 
OMG, there's a game tonight. I almost forgot that there's hockey going on still. Almost.
 
OMG, there's a game tonight. I almost forgot that there's hockey going on still. Almost.

It's easy to forget when they stick so many days between series. Why do they want the playoffs to extend into June anyway? So the ice will suck in the arenas and the puck will bounce all over the place?

Bring it on already!

Anyone want to play 'who will score the game winner' in tonight's game?

If D* wins: Ribeiro

If the Wings win: Franzen
 
Here's an interesting article on WSJ.com

WSJ.com said:
The Return of a Great Game

By ADAM THOMPSON
May 8, 2008 1:27 p.m.

Hockey took another step towards returning to the national sports conversation Tuesday with the news that Don Cherry will be filing dispatches for ESPN's "SportsCenter" over the last two rounds of the National Hockey League playoffs.

Young stars like Pittsburgh's Evgeni Malkin and rules changes to let them shine have made the NHL more watchable.

The bombastic Canadian may be guilty of sins both jingoistic and sartorial as he rants for the (North) American way in one of his checkered pink or purple blazers. But he is his game's most iconic announcer, for better or worse, and the ex-coach known as "Grapes" certainly has enough P.T. Barnum in him to get the attention of a few extra sports fans. Yes, he chipped in to NBC's Stanley Cup coverage in 2007, but you had to be into hockey already to catch his rants. Now he's performing for a much wider U.S. audience.

The fact that ESPN wants him around says something. As does the presence of hockey playoffs near the top of "SportsCenter" broadcasts, after a recent past where NHL highlights might be sequestered to the hour-long show's final five minutes. Or the fact that playoff ratings continue to climb for both NBC and Versus.

People are starting to watch again, and they should be. The game is as fast and fun as it's been in years, and this year's playoffs have made good use of its young stars. Names like Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Alexander Ovechkin continue to inch into crossover territory with each impossible deke, thread-the-needle pass and goal. A stable of second-tier stars like Jarome Iginla, Joe Thornton and Pavel Datsyuk are less known nationwide, but also spectacular. Scoring is up 10 percent over the last three seasons compared to the three before that.

That this renaissance is happening now comes after a lost decade and change. It may seem hard to believe now, but in 1994 Sports Illustrated ran a cover story with the headline "Why the NHL's Hot and the NBA's Not." (Credit ESPN columnist Bill Simmons for publicizing that link – and for also joining the list of national writers jumping on hockey's bandwagon with an April column on how he found himself paying attention to his hometown Boston Bruins after several seasons away.)

Back when that SI story ran, the New York Rangers were in the process of winning their first Stanley Cup in 54 years. Their seven games against Vancouver – and several of that year's earlier-round series – reached Ali-Frazier levels of drama.

But the NHL let all that momentum slip away with a long lockout the following season, followed by several years of a stultifying style of play exemplified by some of the best New Jersey Devils teams. A sport that once saw Wayne Gretzky score 92 goals in 80 games one season was now being taken over by bigger, slower players with fewer skills. By 1998-99, Anaheim's Teemu Selanne needed just 47 goals to lead the league. And just as the NHL emerged from that defensive wilderness earlier this decade, players and management took the unprecedented step of letting their acrimony kill an entire season over a labor dispute, rendering fans hockeyless for 2004-05.

The small silver lining that followed that gigantic dark cloud, as Pittsburgh
general manager Ray Shero pointed out last week while his Penguins made short work of the Rangers, is the double infusion of youth the league got from two strong draft classes entering the NHL at once. If the league was going to awaken from its self-induced coma, at least it had the good fortune to do so as Mr. Crosby and Co. arrived to help the recovery.

They're benefiting from post-lockout rule changes that have shrunk goalie equipment and reconfigured rinks to benefit offenses. Most importantly, the NHL has followed through on promises – previously empty ones – to crack down on dirty play that neutralizes the game's stars.

Penguins co-owner Mario Lemieux, Mr. Crosby's boss and predecessor as a Pittsburgh hockey icon, had countless games shaved off his career by the unnecessary beatings he endured through much of the 1990s. He was hardly alone.

"Before the lockout, if you used to stand in front of the net, you'd be cross-checked," Mr. Shero says. "It'd be a tough place to go to score any goals. But now you have to defend smart. It gives the skill players a lot more opportunities to do their thing."

Literally and figuratively passing through New York recently, the Penguins appear to have dynasty written all over them, thanks to Mr. Crosby and Mr. Malkin, who was unmovable and unstoppable against the Rangers.

The NHL still has a laundry list of problems, from its placement on the still-obscure Versus to its continuing inability to penetrate much of the Sun Belt. Its outdoor game in Buffalo between the Penguins and Sabres lived up to the hype – but the burden remains for the league to prove that wasn't a one-off success.

The league and union ought to swallow their pride, retreat from a few markets that have consistently failed to gain traction – the NHL remains an afterthought in Nashville and South Florida – and, for the love of all things decent, permanently table any talk of further expansion to hockey hinterlands like Kansas City and Las Vegas. A game already taking positive steps would look even better with a more concentrated talent pool free of talent-poor fourth-liners.

All that said, the present game looks great. With Mr. Cherry shouting this to Americans at the top of his lungs, maybe a few more will notice.

Write to Adam Thompson at adam.thompson@wsj.com
 
Bad news for the Flyers:

Kimmo Timonen,the best defenseman we have is out of the series with a blood clot in his ankle:(:(:(

Peace
 
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