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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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I'd love to know if all these stores that are listing them actually can ship. I'm guessing they can't and they will make up some excuse about not having stock due to suppliers. I'm thinking they got product codes so they can put in orders and put them up for sale.

Personally I can't imagine buying anything from a small store like these when their are bigger and cheaper suppliers out there with strong reputations, but I guess someone must do.

Not that many people will have much use for these processors anyway as there are no boards for them.
 
Tallest Skil said:
Frig. I forgot about that.

You'd think that they'd be making Tylersburg at the same time, wouldn't you?

Now I have to change the first post to have the status of Tylersburg's release... :rolleyes:
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Oh expect Tylersberg at the same time or earlier than March 29th. Board manufacturers are under NDA and it doesn't appear Intel have officially announced a release date. It's probably as has happened before and resellers have been given a date and the ability to order product so details passed to the media.
 
March/April release date for the MP then I would guess?

Perfect timing :D

Some nice fast, large and cheapish SSDs should be out by then, otherwise a 300gb Velociraptor is getting the place in my HD bays!
 
Umbongo said:
Oh expect Tylersberg at the same time or earlier than March 29th. Board manufacturers are under NDA and it doesn't appear Intel have officially announced a release date. It's probably as has happened before and resellers have been given a date and the ability to order product so details passed to the media.
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yeah I wouldn't worry about the chipsets... there seemed to be much more information about them a few months ago. Pretty sure they are ready and there's no point in ramping production of the more valuable (CPU) parts if the supporting hardware is not available.
 
vogelhausdesign said:
ARGH! I'm so confused on what to buy now! Damn you apple!

They're just toying with us now..
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I think you should consider buying an 8 core 2.8GHz Mac Pro and seeing how it suites the workflow of you/your employees rather than waiting and waiting in the hopes of getting the latest technology. If you have such a system (with say an extra 8GB/16GB of memory, 4 large/fast drives RAIDed, 8800GT) then you can see what newer Mac Pros would offer you in a much better light.

Also you might want to consider NEC's 30-inch LCD3090WQXi rather than Apple's displays.
 
nanofrog said:
i this, i that, Enough already! :eek: :p

What, now you think they'll revamp their logo to iNtel?

I hope not. :rolleyes: :D
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Don't give them ideas! :mad: :p

heartofshiva said:
Intel plans to detail an eight-core Xeon processor at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference in San Francisco during the Feb. 9 presentation:

http://www.macworld.com/article/138510/2009/01/intel.html?lsrc=rss_main
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That CPU looks like Beckton, not Gainestown. But I've been wanting more info (die shot please) on it for a while anyway. :cool:

2.3 billion transistors, that is a lot.
 
Umbongo said:
I think you should consider buying an 8 core 2.8GHz Mac Pro and seeing how it suites the workflow of you/your employees rather than waiting and waiting in the hopes of getting the latest technology. If you have such a system (with say an extra 8GB/16GB of memory, 4 large/fast drives RAIDed, 8800GT) then you can see what newer Mac Pros would offer you in a much better light.

Also you might want to consider NEC's 30-inch LCD3090WQXi rather than Apple's displays.
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I think today, actually. I'm going to buy a 2x 3.2 system.. so that I wont feel like I'm too terribly slow in the next coming months. Then as I watch the new edition unfold, I can keep an eye on quick fixes.. problems, costs of maintaining the machine, and mid cycle upgrades..

Does everyone still think this is a bad idea? I mean.. it's not like a current model 2x 3.2 system is going to be "sluggish" just because it's matured.
 
vogelhausdesign said:
I think today, actually. I'm going to buy a 2x 3.2 system.. so that I wont feel like I'm too terribly slow in the next coming months. Then as I watch the new edition unfold, I can keep an eye on quick fixes.. problems, costs of maintaining the machine, and mid cycle upgrades..

Does everyone still think this is a bad idea? I mean.. it's not like a current model 2x 3.2 system is going to be "sluggish" just because it's matured.
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If you are set on buying a 3.2GHz system then I suggest you look at the refurb store.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB451LL/A?mco=MjE0NjQ1OA
 
Are you going with the 3.2GHz because you don't want to be too sore about the update whenever it happens? And then you'll want to upgrade the graphics when new cards become available. Best thing to do is avoid reading any more rumors and stop looking at the Apple web site, especially on Tuesdays :D

Will your business be loosing money if you don't buy now?
 
Umbongo said:
I'd love to know if all these stores that are listing them actually can ship. I'm guessing they can't and they will make up some excuse about not having stock due to suppliers. I'm thinking they got product codes so they can put in orders and put them up for sale.

Personally I can't imagine buying anything from a small store like these when their are bigger and cheaper suppliers out there with strong reputations, but I guess someone must do.

Not that many people will have much use for these processors anyway as there are no boards for them.
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Sounds reasonable to me. Actual parts are vapor ATM. Only part numbers are out. I'll also wait for them to hit other mainstream retail locations before buying.

As for boards, I recall seeing an article that had some photo's of early DP boards. None available that I'm aware of.

The workstation (single socket) boards, has one out currently. Asus P6T6 WS. It can handle either Core i7 parts or the W35xx (single) parts. (Allows ECC functionality with these). ;) Not sure if it could accommodate the W3580 though. :confused: Not enough details available yet. :rolleyes:
iMacmatician said:
Don't give them ideas! :mad: :p
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Why not? ;) (Just Kidding) :D :p
iMacmatician said:
That CPU looks like Beckton, not Gainestown. But I've been wanting more info (die shot please) on it for a while anyway. :cool:

2.3 billion transistors, that is a lot.
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The article seems to think they'll be Gainestown parts (Nehalem EP). Personally, I don't think this will be the case, nor why/how they came to this conclusion.

It makes more sense to me, that Intel would at least place the 4 core parts out into the market first, to help recover R&D costs (min) first. So Beckton (Nehalem EX) makes much more sense for me as well.
 
heartofshiva said:
Intel plans to detail an eight-core Xeon processor at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference in San Francisco during the Feb. 9 presentation:

http://www.macworld.com/article/138510/2009/01/intel.html?lsrc=rss_main

Good date for Apple to announce the new Mac Pro's. :D
(wishful thinking...)
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iMacmatician said:
Don't give them ideas! :mad: :p

That CPU looks like Beckton, not Gainestown. But I've been wanting more info (die shot please) on it for a while anyway. :cool:

2.3 billion transistors, that is a lot.
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Yeah, Intel hasn't even brought the 6 core units from the 7000 series to the 5000 series yet. I don't think the would jump and put the 8 core unit in the 5000 series.
 
(when) will the MP see Beckton?

if it's expected q1 2010 or sooner, i don't see why i should wait for Gainestown now... the current model is quite capable of taking care of my needs for a year or so.

when that happens, is a single processor with 8 cores the most likely candidate or would apple put in 2 of them? i assume not since they'd prefer that everybody continue to upgrade on 3-5 year cycles and 16 physical cores would just be silly fast.
 
nanofrog said:
As for boards, I recall seeing an article that had some photo's of early DP boards. None available that I'm aware of.
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The inquirer had a bunch of dual socket board pictures from Computex last summer, board manufacturers have had things ready for a while by all accounts.
The workstation (single socket) boards, has one out currently. Asus P6T6 WS
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Super Micro's boards also support ECC (so W3500 Xeons).
The article seems to think they'll be Gainestown parts (Nehalem EP). Personally, I don't think this will be the case, nor why/how they came to this conclusion.
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Probably just not well informed (let's be honest we eat up every bit of news to do with this platform, but it's quite confusing if you aren't entrenched in it). It would be unlikely Intel would suprise people with (or have been able to keep secret) 8 core DP processors.
 
vogelhausdesign said:
I think today, actually. I'm going to buy a 2x 3.2 system.. so that I wont feel like I'm too terribly slow in the next coming months. Then as I watch the new edition unfold, I can keep an eye on quick fixes.. problems, costs of maintaining the machine, and mid cycle upgrades..

Does everyone still think this is a bad idea? I mean.. it's not like a current model 2x 3.2 system is going to be "sluggish" just because it's matured.
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I think that's a good idea, but I really think you should spend some time talking with Apple instead of forum posters who kay or may not know what they're talking about. The next version will be faster, but the curent one is no slouch.
 
m1stake said:
I think that's a good idea, but I really think you should spend some time talking with Apple instead of forum posters who kay or may not know what they're talking about. The next version will be faster, but the curent one is no slouch.
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Definitely go to your nearest Apple store or non-chain Apple Authorized Reseller. They'll be able to answer all of your questions and give you a feel for the Mac Pro.

Don't go to Best Buy (I don't think that they even carry them), and... I would have said "Don't go to Circuit City", because they carried Mac Pros, but they're out of business, so...
 
Umbongo said:
The inquirer had a bunch of dual socket board pictures from Computex last summer, board manufacturers have had things ready for a while by all accounts.
Super Micro's boards also support ECC (so W3500 Xeons).
Probably just not well informed (let's be honest we eat up every bit of news to do with this platform, but it's quite confusing if you aren't entrenched in it). It would be unlikely Intel would suprise people with (or have been able to keep secret) 8 core DP processors.
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I thought it might have been Tom's, but not sure enough to even mention it. ;) :eek:

SuperMicro has one out too. :cool: I must have missed it last I looked, but it's been awhile. Figured I'd wait to go back, until the DP boards began to get more press. (Though I should have realized it when another thread made fun of a system vendor selling a SuperMicro based single socket server). Duh... :p

As for the Beckton, I didn't even go that far. I was just thinking "Why, when the 4 core parts haven't even become available yet" of the Xeon parts.

Either way, I don't think we'll see them for awhile. ;) Not to mention the comment about the 7400 series parts as well. :)
 
nanofrog said:
The article seems to think they'll be Gainestown parts (Nehalem EP). Personally, I don't think this will be the case, nor why/how they came to this conclusion.

It makes more sense to me, that Intel would at least place the 4 core parts out into the market first, to help recover R&D costs (min) first. So Beckton (Nehalem EX) makes much more sense for me as well.
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Don't know how they got to that conclusion either.

And the article says "Intel plans to ... [offer] ... an early look at what appears to be the company's first eight-core chip."

Wouldn't that mean that the 8-core CPU is still a while away? That makes sense considering that Beckton is scheduled for Q3-Q4 2009.
 
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