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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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Hi. Just a stupid question if I may... When the first post says: Hardware RAID: Does Tylersburg support it?

Does that mean you're not sure if the RAID card is built in to the board or that it will accept RAID at all? (The latter doesn't seem correct, so it may be something completely different :)). Thanks!
 
ncc1701d said:
Hi. Just a stupid question if I may... When the first post says: Hardware RAID: Does Tylersburg support it?

Does that mean you're not sure if the RAID card is built in to the board or that it will accept RAID at all? (The latter doesn't seem correct, so it may be something completely different :)). Thanks!
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Tylersburg/X58 chips don't perform RAID functions.

It is possible to use software RAID though (drivers), as the board already has the necessary components. It just uses the CPU to handle the processing, and the on board drive controller. Plenty of boards have this, including some Core i7 models.

Hardware RAID, OTOH is another matter. ;)
 
nanofrog said:
Tylersburg/X58 chips don't perform RAID functions.

It is possible to use software RAID though (drivers), as the board already has the necessary components. It just uses the CPU to handle the processing, and the on board drive controller. Plenty of boards have this, including some Core i7 models.

Hardware RAID, OTOH is another matter. ;)
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Oh, well couldn't you have answered this sooner? :p:D

So Tylersburg doesn't have support for hardware RAID without a RAID card, then, right?
 
Tallest Skil said:
Oh, well couldn't you have answered this sooner? :p:D

So Tylersburg doesn't have support for hardware RAID without a RAID card, then, right?
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Not in the sense it does the actual work. It only passes data from peripherals (drive controller in this case) to the CPU(s) and back. No special functionality needed, added, enabled, or otherwise.

The parts needed for software RAID are already present. For hardware RAID, you need a card. It also needs the X58 chip(s) to route it's data communication. Again, no special functions involved.

Does this help clear things up a little?
 
So... it will be possible to have any of the RAID configurations, just not physically done the same way it is on the current mac pro? (Buy a separate RAID card). BTW, excellent thread!

Edit - Is it going to be easy to set up is probably what I'm getting at.
 
ncc1701d said:
So... it will be possible to have any of the RAID configurations, just not physically done the same way it is on the current mac pro? (Buy a separate RAID card). BTW, excellent thread!

Edit - Is it going to be easy to set up is probably what I'm getting at.
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It is done the same way.

Use drivers with the board (RAID function provided in OS X) using the existing hardware (logic board). Or if go with a hardware solution.

It just depends on what you need/want. ;) And the budget to pay for it of course. :D :p

Easy is relative. Especially with RAID. :eek: ;)
 
nanofrog said:
Not in the sense it does the actual work. It only passes data from peripherals (drive controller in this case) to the CPU(s) and back. No special functionality needed, added, enabled, or otherwise.

The parts needed for software RAID are already present. For hardware RAID, you need a card. It also needs the X58 chip(s) to route it's data communication. Again, no special functions involved.

Does this help clear things up a little?
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Yep, thanks! I'll edit the main post.
 
Tallest Skil said:
AirPort Extreme (802.11 a/b/g/n): Will it remain optional? I thought the reasoning behind this was that some businesses didn't want Wi-Fi in their computers, but I could be way off. It's been QUITE a while since I've heard any rationale on leaving it out.
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At some places, it's prohibited to have a computer with 802.11, Bluetooth, or any wireless networking of any kind. My friend's dad works at Lawrence Livermore Labs and they made him rip the wireless capabilities out of his MacBook Pro.
 
Tallest Skil said:
$2,999: Apple should be getting a better price than that of the 1,000 lot price, because they'll be ordering more. However, the per-consumer price of Harpertown was the same as the 1,000 lot price for those chips so we'll see something very similar with Gainestown.
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Tallest Skil, have you saved up enough money for your new Mac Pro yet? I still have a long way to go.:( I really need to replace my old single core G5 though. My poor MBP is acting as my render station, gaming computer, and movie/tv show watching machine now.
 
voyagerd said:
Tallest Skil, have you saved up enough money for your new Mac Pro yet? I still have a long way to go.:( I really need to replace my old single core G5 though. My poor MBP is acting as my render station, gaming computer, and movie/tv show watching machine now.
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I have. Since I'm not getting the base model, I've had to extrapolate the price.

I went to the store to spec out the current model in a rough approximation of what I want out of the Nehalem model, and then I added $300 to that to make up for the processor price hike.

It's a tad up there, but the Developer discount helps, I'll tell you...
 
Do I need to double my pessimism in this area or what, Tallest Skil? :p

Theo Valich said:
Intel is going to replace Auburndale/Havendale with their 32nm die-shrink, known as Arandale. Arandale was originally supposed to debut for Back to School season 2010, alongside 32nm quad-core and sexa-core Westmere processors (Core i7 die-shrinks). But now, Arandale core has been brought forward by six months to Q1′2010. The debut is set probably for March (can you say CeBIT?) timeframe.
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Q1/March 2010 + 6 months = Q3 2010. There goes the H1 2010 Westmere rumor and here comes more 518 days Mac Pro. Have fun waiting. :rolleyes: :D
 
Tallest Skil said:
Apparently... :eek: You see what my pessimism gets you? Accuracy. That's what it gets you. :D
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So it looks like I have to start being pessimistic with Intel release dates (I already am with AMD, after Bulldozer was delayed at least 2 years) as well as Apple release dates. :D

The good news is that being pessimistic with one helps being pessimistic with the other. :D
 
iMacmatician said:
So it looks like I have to start being pessimistic with Intel (I already am with AMD, after Bulldozer was delayed at least 2 years) as well as Apple. :D
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It only makes sense. :cool:

Apple because... they're Apple and they've always been like that.
Intel because... recession.
Everyone else because... recession, too.

Keep a new mindset until this thing blows over. Expect release dates to be pushed back and the smaller products that are given little fanfare but look to have a lot of potential get cancelled.

Apple is the only recession-proof company, but that doesn't matter because they've always been shafting us. :rolleyes:
 
Tallest Skil said:
Apple is the only recession-proof company, but that doesn't matter because they've always been shafting us. :rolleyes:
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They're not recession-proof until we get out of it. If all of China has had it's double digit growth cut to 1% or even 0%, I doubt Apple will get out without a few scratches at least.
 
What's the possibility the cost increase of the CPU won't be reflected in the price? Isn't it true that Apple launches new products with smaller margins and makes up for it later as the cost plummets? They specifically mentioned this in one of their investor conference calls. :)
I hope so! I can use that 300.00 for more RAM!!!!:D
 
argh! So now the date will be even later... For the last 3 months I was in the category of "can afford to wait..." but now that is quickly changing... so frustrating!!!
 
cybeross said:
argh! So now the date will be even later... For the last 3 months I was in the category of "can afford to wait..." but now that is quickly changing... so frustrating!!!
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If you need it for generating income - just get it now. Have you seen the resale value on these things? Use it till you need the next, then sell it and upgrade. The small loss would be made up for with increased productivity.;)
 
Originally Posted by voyagerd
Tallest Skil, have you saved up enough money for your new Mac Pro yet? I still have a long way to go. I really need to replace my old single core G5 though. My poor MBP is acting as my render station, gaming computer, and movie/tv show watching machine now.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I only have about a $1,000 in my savings account right now. My MBP is about to call it quits. :(
 
8CoreWhore said:
Isn't it true that Apple launches new products with smaller margins and makes up for it later as the cost plummets?
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This is how product life cycles work in general. Margins get higher as time progresses because of higher yields, less waste, etc.

Ferrari904 said:
I'm in the same boat as you. I only have about a $1,000 in my savings account right now. My MBP is about to call it quits. :(
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7G's sitting in the "time for a new computer" account.
 
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