Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Yeah, for sure. I was also going to stop stealing my neighbor's ridiculously terrible wireless and start getting DSL and an Airport Extreme. It's kind of frustrating trying to use the G4 in general since it can't do video or edit pictures or shut down properly, but the internet going is really the last straw (Even if it's not really the G4's fault). Still, I didn't wait for a year and a half to buy the current one.

I won't be spending all of that money on a single computer though, I'd like to end up with $3,000 or so left over in case a laptop proves too handy not to have in college next year. My brother and his wife swear by them, and I'm inclined to believe them.

I've been winding up to buying the thing, just bought a new black and white Brother laser for $120 (Great deal!) to replace the two Laser Writers, and consolidated our phone lines into a single one with all of the features.
 
What's the possibility the cost increase of the CPU won't be reflected in the price?
Apple could make smaller updates to the rest of the components so (total other component prices in Harpertown Mac Pro) > (total other component prices in Gainestown Mac Pro). The thing is, Apple didn't do this last time (hence the $2499 -> $2799 price increase), which leads many to speculate a similar price increase this time.
 
I have. Since I'm not getting the base model, I've had to extrapolate the price.

I went to the store to spec out the current model in a rough approximation of what I want out of the Nehalem model, and then I added $300 to that to make up for the processor price hike.

It's a tad up there, but the Developer discount helps, I'll tell you...

Yes, it does. I'm going to get the revised equivalent to this.

mp.jpg
 
I think we will find Intel more reluctant to launch set dates far in advance from now on. I expect H1/H2 rather than quarters and probably a good few "in the next few years".
This would make sense to me as well. Lowered income will result in the annual R&D budgets will end up being reduced at least. :rolleyes:

Intel's already announced the closing of two fabs, and the job ads they were running on one of the new ones (Vietnam), have been pulled. They've laid off enough people from these two plants to more than fill the positions. If they're smart, they'll be willing to relocate to remain employed. :D
They're not recession-proof until we get out of it. If all of China has had it's double digit growth cut to 1% or even 0%, I doubt Apple will get out without a few scratches at least.
I don't think any company is, no matter if they have money in the bank or not. Cash can delay the inevitable, but not eliminate it. :eek: :p
7G's sitting in the "time for a new computer" account.
You're nuts! :eek:

And this coming from another crazy person who's budgeted that much and more. ;) :D
 
saved up enough money for your new Mac Pro yet?

What's this "save" concept of which you speak? ;)
Consciously saving money sucks.. feels like you're missing out on fun!

Much better to just keep going like normal. Any cash left at the end of the month stays in the account and is spendable on anything that catches your fancy.
Need that $3k computer? Buy it!
Don't have enough funds? Three month "interest free" credit should cover it for anyone who *needs* the computer.
For anyone who only "needs" it, 6-12 month "interest free" or low interest loan should cover it just fine.
 
What's this "save" concept of which you speak? ;)
Consciously saving money sucks.. feels like you're missing out on fun!

Much better to just keep going like normal. Any cash left at the end of the month stays in the account and is spendable on anything that catches your fancy.
Need that $3k computer? Buy it!
Don't have enough funds? Three month "interest free" credit should cover it for anyone who *needs* the computer.
For anyone who only "needs" it, 6-12 month "interest free" or low interest loan should cover it just fine.

And you wonder why the Worlds economy's are all in a crysis with people being sacked left right and centre :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I bet those bank execs still getting there 100 grand plus bonus this year love you!
 
I'm hoping to top out at $3,500 with the screen and memory and HDD's. The Apple's reseller purchase program starts the current 8 core at $2,200.
So you're going for the current model MP?
If so, you could bring it in at that amount, provided you aren't after a professional display or RAID. ;)
 
And you wonder why the Worlds economy's are all in a crysis with people being sacked left right and centre :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I bet those bank execs still getting there 100 grand plus bonus this year love you!

I'm guessing you didn't study maths or business.
I specifically mentioned "interest free", which generally means 0% interest, but with a small surcharge (generally less than $50).

Now, I don't know about you, but $50 is less than an hour's work, so if getting the faster machine "now" rather than "before I have to start paying interest" and it lets me save at least one hour of work, I'm on the plus side of the equation.

Even at an outrageous interest rate; so long as the purchase increases productivity enough to cover the interest, it's still a win.

The state of the world's economy has next to nothing to do with people taking out interest free or low interest loans, nor does the situation with people getting fired -- but then again, it's easy to pull a cheap one, isn't it?

I guess you might also not be aware that in today's imaginary economy, the best way to get it healthy is to consume at sustainable levels.
 
So you're going for the current model MP?
If so, you could bring it in at that amount, provided you aren't after a professional display or RAID. ;)

I expect the employee price will be about the same for a new one, sorry to confuse. I decided that RAID isn't in the immediate budget (My priorities have changed, now redundancy is more important. Maybe just an external drive to back stuff up to), and I certainly don't need a professional display.
 
I expect the employee price will be about the same for a new one, sorry to confuse. I decided that RAID isn't in the immediate budget (My priorities have changed, now redundancy is more important. Maybe just an external drive to back stuff up to), and I certainly don't need a professional display.
Employee pricing?!? :eek:
Lucky B@******! :)

Hmm...I wish I could get it at that price. ;)
Mac Pro Transplant here I come. :eek: :D :p
 
I expect the employee price will be about the same for a new one, sorry to confuse. I decided that RAID isn't in the immediate budget (My priorities have changed, now redundancy is more important. Maybe just an external drive to back stuff up to), and I certainly don't need a professional display.

A good setup doesn't need to cost a lot.
Get a switch capable of doing 802.3ad, another network card or two (preferably with several interfaces per card) for the MP, and another computer filled witch disks.
RAID them together any way you'd like in whatever OS you'd like and export an ATA over Ethernet or iSCSI target and presto!

You should be able to push a few hundred MB(yes, megabyte)/sec over that with almost no effort.

The second computer could be something as elegant as a QNAP TS-509 or 609 (though I believe you won't actually get much more than 50/60MB/sec with that thans to the poor performance of the NICs), or you could really just build your own.

One-click solutions on the software side would be FreeNAS (Linux), OpenFiler (Linux) or NexentaStor (Open Solaris).
If you can handle ~10 terminal commands, you could just use plain Open Solaris.

Total cost for building your own with lots of disk, even after lots of redundancy should be less than $1.5k.

Saves you from buying a FC RAID card and a Promise unit for 5-10 times the cost :p
 
I'm guessing you didn't study maths or business.
I specifically mentioned "interest free", which generally means 0% interest, but with a small surcharge (generally less than $50).

Now, I don't know about you, but $50 is less than an hour's work, so if getting the faster machine "now" rather than "before I have to start paying interest" and it lets me save at least one hour of work, I'm on the plus side of the equation.

Even at an outrageous interest rate; so long as the purchase increases productivity enough to cover the interest, it's still a win.

The state of the world's economy has next to nothing to do with people taking out interest free or low interest loans, nor does the situation with people getting fired -- but then again, it's easy to pull a cheap one, isn't it?

I guess you might also not be aware that in today's imaginary economy, the best way to get it healthy is to consume at sustainable levels.

This is the problem with the united states, it's a country thriving on credit. Everyone I know is in some kind of debt and we dug our own grave. What's even more messed up is that people are encouraged to use their credit cards to get a higher credit score so that in the future you will be able to take a loan to buy the house that people originally can't afford.

I guess in the long run, the American dream caught up with us and has turned into a nightmare. I'm in the united states as well and I do have credit card debts, which I could easily pay off but I continue to pay off bit by bit each month to get that higher credit score.

I think the credit and loans is exactly what has f*cked this nation up. We need to be like other countries where we don't have trillions of dollars in debt. And these days the American dream is over and people from other countries dont even consider the united states the land of opportunity anymore.

If you really think about it, as a whole nation the united states is in debt which reflects the individuals which counts for most of Americans.
 
This is the problem with the united states, it's a country thriving on credit. Everyone I know is in some kind of debt and we dug our own grave. What's even more messed up is that people are encouraged to use their credit cards to get a higher credit score so that in the future you will be able to take a loan to buy the house that people originally can't afford.

I guess in the long run, the American dream caught up with us and has turned into a nightmare. I'm in the united states as well and I do have credit card debts, which I could easily pay off but I continue to pay off bit by bit each month to get that higher credit score.

I think the credit and loans is exactly what has f*cked this nation up. We need to be like other countries where we don't have trillions of dollars in debt. And these days the American dream is over and people from other countries dont even consider the united states the land of opportunity anymore.

If you really think about it, as a whole nation the united states is in debt which reflects the individuals which counts for most of Americans.
I didn't see it as credit being the cause, but the mismanagement of it. Corporations (finance/banking industry) pushed for deregulation to relax the standards used to issue credit. In the case of housing, Mortgage Brokers pushed "bad" loans, as it benefited them in the short term, and they expected larger institutions to pick them up, and refinance them. In the end, simple greed wrecked a system that can work, provided it isn't left with no controls at all.
 
Employee pricing?!? :eek:
Lucky B@******! :)

Hmm...I wish I could get it at that price. ;)

Working in retail for two years doesn't make me lucky.


To be more accurate, I decided that RAID wasn't really necessary. Thanks for your post, but I don't really need that sort of set up.


ATM I have no debt whatsoever. I pay off my balance in full every month, and that's that. No interest. Of course, I'll be $50,000 in debt in 6 months, but I guess higher education is worth it. :rolleyes:
 
Working in retail for two years doesn't make me lucky.



To be more accurate, I decided that RAID wasn't really necessary. Thanks for your post, but I don't really need that sort of set up.



ATM I have no debt whatsoever. I pay off my balance in full every month, and that's that. No interest. Of course, I'll be $50,000 in debt in 6 months, but I guess higher education is worth it. :rolleyes:

That's the thing, our education system is jacked up as well and Americans take more loans thus adding gasoline to the fire. I'm sure your a reponsible person and pay whatever debt off but not most people.
 
Read "Looking Beyond The Ivy League" by Loren Pope. While it doesn't really get into the financial aspect of the higher education system, it does show how most large institutions have lost sight of their pledged goals.

In general though I think the education system is reasonable. Your earning power with a degree is many times greater than your earning power with just a high school diploma. I don't need my job to pay bills, but it's scary seeing people around me trying to screech by making $20,000 a year.
 
This is the problem with the united states, it's a country thriving on credit. Everyone I know is in some kind of debt and we dug our own grave. What's even more messed up is that people are encouraged to use their credit cards to get a higher credit score so that in the future you will be able to take a loan to buy the house that people originally can't afford.

I guess in the long run, the American dream caught up with us and has turned into a nightmare. I'm in the united states as well and I do have credit card debts, which I could easily pay off but I continue to pay off bit by bit each month to get that higher credit score.

I think the credit and loans is exactly what has f*cked this nation up. We need to be like other countries where we don't have trillions of dollars in debt. And these days the American dreams is over and people from other countries doesn't even consider the united states the land of opportunity anymore.

If you really think about it, as a whole nation the united states is in debt which reflects the individuals which counts for most of Americans.

I'm actually Swedish.. :)
Alert: Wall of Text coming at you!
The problem isn't so much credit and loans as it is fiscal irresponsibility.

If I take out a $100k loan (I actually have roughly 200k in loans, covering the purchase of my apartment and other things), I make sure I can cover a 10% interest with no big changes to my lifestyle, and upwards of 20% with drastic changes, no matter what the current interest rate is.

A few months ago when people started panicking over interest hikes over here (along with the constant barrage of doom and gloom newspaper articles about foreclosures and layoffs), I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations and came to the shocking conclusion that I had to make some drastic changes to my lifestyle.
I had to skip two taxi rides (one to town, one from town) and two nights/early morning drunken food binges, or I was at the risk of.. what? Skipping one night of drinking? Actually bring home-cooked food with me to work a few days a month?

In other words, I tend to lead a rather decent life, drinking beer with friends every week, buying the gadgets I want, eating good food most days (be it in town or at home), etc.

Looking at what margins I have at the end of the month, it's nothing to brag about, but looking at what the above can be exchanged for, it's a lot.
Food? I could (if threatened at gun point) cook cheaper and more often, not eating great food every work day and save roughly $300-400 each month. I could skip a few beer nights (each one costing roughly $100 -- beer, food, taxi). I could skip toys for a few months.

This means that in reality, I have some pretty decent margins.

I'm not at a terrible risk of losing my job (you should see our laws -- companies hate them!) as the company is expanding, but even if I were, I could find a new one within a month or two with my skill set (and am currently owed half a year's salary by my government -- nice, eh?).

Summarizing my situation, I guess you could say that while I'm terrible at handling money (since I don't consciously save), I'm still fiscally responsible.

People getting loans bigger than what they can afford are the problem.
You should *always* count on interest rates possibly reaching 10%.
6-7% is normally considered a healthy economy.
2-3% happens every ten to fifteen years or so, as do 9-10%. Neither are good, but they do serve a purpose (correct the economy).

While our economy is quite a bit smaller than yours, we weathered a burst housing bubble back in the early nineties without too much trouble.
The American system of having a credit score is just annoying -- it should be a *very* simple calculation: your interest payments should be less than (salary - doable-but-not-great standard of living). Loans and credit can be refused to anyone who's forfeited on a payment (i.e., gone to a collector's agency, on to the federal/national banking regulation system or other authority capable of seizing your assets and THEN failed to pony up the dough, earning you a "permanent" mark).

Either way, detailed discussions about economy and finances don't really belong in this thread, so I'll try to shut up :p
 
Working in retail for two years doesn't make me lucky.
Ahh... No, retail isn't fun. I've done it as well, working my way through college.

At least you found a way to benefit from it, and hopefully, picked up a little useful experience as well. It can help keep you determined at least.

ATM I have no debt whatsoever. I pay off my balance in full every month, and that's that. No interest. Of course, I'll be $50,000 in debt in 6 months, but I guess higher education is worth it. :rolleyes:
That's the only option to obtaining a degree for many. :(
That's the thing, our education system is jacked up as well and Americans take more loans thus adding gasoline to the fire. I'm sure your a reponsible person and pay whatever debt off but not most people.
It's not like everyone has a choice. I wish things were different, and scholarships offered to more students. But college has become a big business. Enrollment figures seem to support the quantity over quality ideology. :(

Looking at job ads recently, I've seen postings that required a Masters degree combined with 10+ years experience for a job you could train a monkey to do. :rolleyes: The salaries were so low, it might as well pay in peanuts. :mad:
 
I have a Server at home and I regularly hit the 1Gbit link limit when moving around files. I'd love for them to offer built in 10Gbit on the Mac Pro I'd totally bite if they did that and made the price reasonable. Infact I'd be happy with 2Gbit I need more then 1Gbit but not more then 2 (At present) I use a PC desktop at the moment but really I could give it up for a Dual Processor (8 Core+) Mac Pro. I have options with Fiber Channel I suppose but I don't want to go that route.

I'm excited to see what the new machines bring. Apple seems to be on a real NVIDIA kick and I think I could speak for most when I say the weakest part of Mac Pros and PowerMac G5's in the past has been Graphics. This appears to be an area that Apple is willing to address delivering faster Integrated graphics and better dedicated cards on the Notebook range. I'd like ideally to see a GTX260 280 or 285 in a Mac Pro as standard or at-least as a build to order option. I know these are typically 'Gamer' cards but I'm a Gamer when I'm not working and I'd like to be able to reboot to Boot Camp and fire up some of the latest Games without worrying about Driver compatibility issues when I need to use OS X.

Just my 2 Cents anyway :)
 
I have a Server at home and I regularly hit the 1Gbit link limit when moving around files. I'd love for them to offer built in 10Gbit on the Mac Pro I'd totally bite if they did that and made the price reasonable. Infact I'd be happy with 2Gbit I need more then 1Gbit but not more then 2 (At present) I use a PC desktop at the moment but really I could give it up for a Dual Processor (8 Core+) Mac Pro. I have options with Fiber Channel I suppose but I don't want to go that route.

Use channel bonding.
Your switch needs to support 802.3ad.
 
Ahh... No, retail isn't fun. I've done it as well, working my way through college.

I was thinking of taking an on campus job as a tech, but I've got tons of money sitting in the bank from this gig so it's not really required. I was going to put it in an IRA in April 2008, but decided I'd like to see just how low the market would go. Glad I waited!

At least you found a way to benefit from it, and hopefully, picked up a little useful experience as well. It can help keep you determined at least.

I agree entirely. I actually started this job during junior year in HS, and decided to take a year off to figure out what I wanted to do. I feel much more prepared, and not only in an academic sense. Admissions officers agree.

That's the only option to obtaining a degree for many. :(

What other option is there? I don't know any other middle-upper class white people who can afford to pay tuition in a lump sum either.

It's not like everyone has a choice. I wish things were different, and scholarships offered to more students. But college has become a big business. Enrollment figures seem to support the quantity over quality ideology. :(

University is big business, but students are not. Where's the profit from tuition when you have to pay for dorms, food, classes, etc, for students? No, the real money is in research; students are just a necessary evil at many institutions.
 
What other option is there? I don't know any other middle-upper class white people who can afford to pay tuition in a lump sum either.
If a student's parents haven't the ability to pay for a student's higher education, loans are usually the only possibility. It also doesn't help that those who need full scholarships are only offered a fraction of what's needed, as there's so little to go around. So loans are again, the only means to cover the difference.

It's a sad state of affairs IMO. :(
University is big business, but students are not. Where's the profit from tuition when you have to pay for dorms, food, classes, etc, for students? No, the real money is in research; students are just a necessary evil at many institutions.
I know. Universities were intended to teach new students, and benefit mankind/society through knowledge. Not make large sums of money. It irks me to see the budgets spent on frivolous crap like football programs when students are left without facilities and resources needed to learn.

Check out the origins of William and Marry College. It was initially created to teach seminary students before the US actually existed.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.