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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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Tallest Skil said:
There already is a 24" LED screen for the Mac Pro. Probability theory says that the next Mac Pro will have dual Mini DisplayPort out on its graphics cards, so you'll be able to buy the Apple LED Cinema Display and plug it in.

Simple as that.

Oh, and logic states that the 30" LED Cinema Display will come out simultaneously with the new Mac Pro. The 20" might be discontinued entirely.
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You aren't thinking Apple enough.

Mac Pro graphics cards with DVI and Full DisplayPort.
30" LED with regular DisplayPort only.
Mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter for $100 incase you actually thought you were going to be able to use your notebook with an external 2560x1600 resolution for less money.
DisplayPort to Mini DisplayPort adapter for $30, changing form factor and only want 24"? Money please!
 
I've found that the VGA and ADC on the GeForce2 MX in my G4 has been very helpful in letting me use several different screens, and would hope Apple would do this again.
 
Umbongo said:
You aren't thinking Apple enough.

Mac Pro graphics cards with DVI and Full DisplayPort.
30" LED with regular DisplayPort only.
Mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter for $100 incase you actually thought you were going to be able to use your notebook with an external 2560x1600 resolution for less money.
DisplayPort to Mini DisplayPort adapter for $30, changing form factor and only want 24"? Money please!
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Close, but not quite. Just a GFX card with full display port. You'll need an Apple branded DVI to Display port adaptor for your new Mac Pro but older ACDs.
 
Not "Apple" enough, eh? Okay...

Introducing the ADPC. The Apple DisplayPort Connector.

A proprietary plug that carries DisplayPort+audio, USB, FireWire, and power.

They would never do that!

HMM...
 
Digital Skunk said:
Close, but not quite. Just a GFX card with full display port. You'll need an Apple branded DVI to Display port adaptor for your new Mac Pro but older ACDs.
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Yeah, they'll just add a firmware chip to what would normally be a simple adapter. :eek: :D :p
 
Tallest Skil said:
Not "Apple" enough, eh? Okay...

Introducing the ADPC. The Apple DisplayPort Connector.

A proprietary plug that carries DisplayPort+audio, USB, FireWire, and power.

They would never do that!

HMM...
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Of course they wouldn't.
Making the monitor(s) pull power from the machine would mean they need a more expensive power supply ;)
 
rylin said:
Of course they wouldn't.
Making the monitor(s) pull power from the machine would mean they need a more expensive power supply ;)
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Well, they could reduce or even eliminate the PCIe slots, or the available drive bays,.... :eek: :p
 
Mac Pro Concept

Nice iTunes interface right on the front. Maybe this is an iPod Pro. ???

MacPro2009TS2.jpg
 
Tallest Skil said:
Dude... TIMG...

And, uh... that's a VooDoo machine. No way... in heck... even THEY decided not to make it. They cancelled it before it got anywhere.

Oh, and... NO laptop ODDs on my Xeon workstation, thanks. ;)
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Oh, they canned that thing? Thank God. It was horrible compared to the old Omen. The old one was a good machine, but the chassis was little over the top (water cooling + automotive paint job = $1500 of guts in $3000 case). The new one....blech. Hopefully they'll make a tower I'd at least want (I'd never actually get one, though. If it's a Windows box, I'm doing the hardware myself).
 
Hi. I've been reading this religiously. I'm very interested in posts 953 to 970 about RAID. I don't mean to Hijack the thread, but if there is one or two books / articles out there that are recommended I'd be grateful. My plan is to buy the new MacPro, put as many of the largest hard drives I can into it and use it for video editing and media storage. I was then going to back all that up externally - but I don't know which RAID would be best. I was assuming I'd want some sort of RAID to speed up the internal drives and something like a "drobo" to do the external back up. Please split or move this question if need be.:eek:
 
ncc1701d said:
Hi. I've been reading this religiously. I'm very interested in posts 953 to 970 about RAID. I don't mean to Hijack the thread, but if there is one or two books / articles out there that are recommended I'd be grateful. My plan is to buy the new MacPro, put as many of the largest hard drives I can into it and use it for video editing and media storage. I was then going to back all that up externally - but I don't know which RAID would be best. I was assuming I'd want some sort of RAID to speed up the internal drives and something like a "drobo" to do the external back up. Please split or move this question if need be.:eek:
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I say just copy-paste the relevant text from this post, report this post to a moderator, saying that you wanted to make a new thread, and then make a new thread out of it. ;):cool:
 
J the Ninja said:
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Since HP bought VooDoo, you might want to have a look at the Blackbird 002 and the new Firebird. Both towers are a bit over the top but just by a bit. The Firebird does what Tallest doesn't want, and adds laptop slot loading ODDs to the chassis, a mistake in my opinion for sure.

They are smoking hot machines though, built for gaming and both able to accept SLI or Crossfire GFX cards. Also five HDD bays and dual double wide PCI (for above reason). Apple should take note.

ncc1701d said:
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For video editing, and I do mean video editing, I say one system drive in the spare optical, RAID 5 the other four drive and skip the Drobo. Just get any four bay enclosure to fill with drives to use as backup.
 
ncc1701d said:
Hi. I've been reading this religiously. I'm very interested in posts 953 to 970 about RAID. I don't mean to Hijack the thread, but if there is one or two books / articles out there that are recommended I'd be grateful. My plan is to buy the new MacPro, put as many of the largest hard drives I can into it and use it for video editing and media storage. I was then going to back all that up externally - but I don't know which RAID would be best. I was assuming I'd want some sort of RAID to speed up the internal drives and something like a "drobo" to do the external back up. Please split or move this question if need be.:eek:
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Take a look at wiki. It really is your friend. :D

This should get you started. ;)
Followed by this. (More detail on RAID levels).

Good luck. :)
 
nanofrog said:
Take a look at wiki. It really is your friend. :D

This should get you started. ;)
Followed by this. (More detail on RAID levels).

Good luck. :)
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.. taking extra care to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_5#RAID_5_disk_failure_rate

If you don't fully understand that section, you do not want to run RAID-5.
If you DO understand that section, you still don't want to run RAID-5 (;)) but you can do so at your own risk.

Personally, I think using RAID for volume management is evil.
Read up a bit on ZFS (I'd give you the details, but TS would have me assassinated :p), and wait for Snow Leopard if you can.
 
rylin said:
Personally, I think using RAID for volume management is evil.
Read up a bit on ZFS (I'd give you the details, but TS would have me assassinated :p), and wait for Snow Leopard if you can.
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WHAT'S THIS?! MORE OFF-TOPIC TALK?! :mad::D

Just let all this be for now. We've agreed that there won't be hardware RAID built in. That's as far as this needed to go. :p
 
rylin said:
.. taking extra care to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_5#RAID_5_disk_failure_rate

If you don't fully understand that section, you do not want to run RAID-5.
If you DO understand that section, you still don't want to run RAID-5 (;)) but you can do so at your own risk.

Personally, I think using RAID for volume management is evil.
Read up a bit on ZFS (I'd give you the details, but TS would have me assassinated :p), and wait for Snow Leopard if you can.
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Let the poor guy read and digest first. :) THEN scare the **** out of him! :D :p
Tallest Skil said:
WHAT'S THIS?! MORE OFF-TOPIC TALK?! :mad::D

Just let all this be for now. We've agreed that there won't be hardware RAID built in. That's as far as this needed to go. :p
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Absolutely! It's FUN! :p
 
rylin said:
.. taking extra care to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID_5#RAID_5_disk_failure_rate

If you don't fully understand that section, you do not want to run RAID-5.
If you DO understand that section, you still don't want to run RAID-5 (;)) but you can do so at your own risk.

Personally, I think using RAID for volume management is evil.
Read up a bit on ZFS (I'd give you the details, but TS would have me assassinated :p), and wait for Snow Leopard if you can.
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Let me summarize:

RAID is not a backup system.

The vast majority of non-business users should probably avoid RAID altogether. RAID is not a backup system. RAID (Except RAID 0) provides redundancy for high availability. Most non-business users would be better off spending their money and efforts on a backup system.

RAID is not a backup system.

If you are going to use OS-independent RAID, then RAID 1 or RAID 1+0 are the best choices.

RAID 0 (striping) is a very poor choice unless you need, and I mean really need, the extra speed. If you use RAID 0, it is critical that you backup your data on a regular basis. I'd recommend nightly.

RAID 5/6 is not the panacea many think it is. In fact, it has several major flaws that make it a bad choice because of the RAID 5/6 write hole. There are other performance and array rebuild issues that make RAID 5/6 a bad choice.

RAID 1 is a simple mirror and is a good way to increase availability.

RAID 1+0 offers mirroring and striping so you get some speed advantages along with the higher availability offered by mirroring.

RAID is not a backup system.

ZFS and RAID Z (Z, Z1, Z2) are great because ZFS is self healing and RAID Z1/Z2 don't have the write hole issue. There are plenty of great reasons to go ZFS and RAID Z. RAID Z is software-based and seems to perform as well as dedicated hardware RAID. But, we have to wait until we get ZFS on Mac workstations....

Did I say that RAID is not a backup system yet?

S-
 
Ooh, I was about to post my rant about how actually RAID 5 performs better in bed than than RAID 6 when I remembered...oh yeah this is a thread about the next MAC PRO so park it somewhere else RAID nitpickers! :mad:
 
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