The 2011-2012 NHL Season Thread

[leekohler]

i'm so sick of hearing about the lucic hit on miller. i wish lucic would have actually hit him, he would have knocked him 20 feet, miller would have left the ice on a stretcher, and he'd be sitting in toronto eating hot dogs with crosby for the next year.

That's pathetic and shows your true colors. But really, I expect no less from you. More proof that you don't care about the game, you just want blood.

Checking is strategic, used to get the puck. The puck was nowhere near Miller. Lucic should have been put in the hospital by Miller's team. Only a coward does things Lucic does.

 

[zioxide]

Really? You just wished brain injury on a player? That's not all that classy.

I'm not saying I want the guy hurt. Forgive me if I didn't phrase the sentence right, I got home from work at 2am and was up at 7am to go back in for 8... not the sharpest on 3.5 hours of sleep after a 10 hour shift.

What I'm saying is I'm sick of the ******** about the lucic/miller thing. It was 2 months ago yet lee keeps bringing it up. We get it, you don't like Lucic. But by his response you would have thought Lucic took his skate off, taped it to his stick, and started using it as a samurai sword at the opposing team. It was a collision between two players going for the puck, one a big forward skating with his head down (looking at the puck, not goalie) and a goalie who was way out of his crease. They collided. big ****ing deal.

What I was trying to say was if Lucic really wanted to hit Miller, that's what would have happened. There's a difference between when two guys collide and when one guy really tries to hit another guy. One results in a collision like the lucic/miller hit. The other is this:

Also this (from yesterday), Ballard on Campbell, seemed about as low as Marchand's. Obviously Marchand deserved the penalty because Salo got hurt, and it was a dumb cheap play, but where's the consistency? All of these hits are pretty similar. Penalize for the type of hit if you really want to remove them from the game, not whether or not someone gets hurt from it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G22QS99ReTo#t=591s

 

[robo]

Flyers blow a two goal lead and give up FOUR GOALS in the 3rd to the Sen's Where's the D? And I'm still waiting for "The Universe" to show up WTF
Otav89

 

[MooneyFlyer]

I was skiing so I wasn't around to get in the mix. I guess that Zioxide and Lee cancel each other out so I'll try the middle ground.

I didn't understand how the Bruins ended up two men down from the initial battle royale. My guess is they gave Thornton 2 mins for being an ******* and Lucic as part of their bad call. It's unfortunate that the Refs had all technology to make the right call but didn't / weren't able to use it. That put Boston down the extra man I think and then the misconduct. That definitely changed the game and it stinks.

Having said all that, I have to hand it to the Canucks. They developed a strategy based on a weakness and executed to that strategy perfectly. They taunted the Bruins, got them to bite, and the put the puck in the net on every power play. Good for them.

The silver lining is that the Bruins needed a game like this to learn to get their emotions in check. Hopefully this was a good lesson that will pay them back later in the year.

 

[zioxide]

I didn't understand how the Bruins ended up two men down from the initial battle royale. My guess is they gave Thornton 2 mins for being an ******* and Lucic as part of their bad call. It's unfortunate that the Refs had all technology to make the right call but didn't / weren't able to use it. That put Boston down the extra man I think and then the misconduct. That definitely changed the game and it stinks.

That was the most botched officiating play I have EVER seen in hockey. And I'm not just talking about Bruins games. Burrows slashed Paille in shins as he was changing out (for Lucic), Thornton went and hit Burrows in shin, Burrows proceeds to spear Thornton in the throat. 6 Canucks jump on Thornton (including Lapierre who jumped and was throwing haymakers) and 2 more guys were punching him from the bench. This is when Chara, Lucic, and then Horton came over to Thornton's aid.

Somehow out of all of this the Canucks get a 5-on-3 and Lucic gets a game for "leaving the bench" when he was already on the ice! Horrible call. If anything one or more of the Canucks should have been called and ejected for violating the third man in rule on the altercation between thornton and burrows.

It completely changed the game and you can confidently say it would have been different had they not screwed this up and Lucic played the whole game. Yes, in the end we lost because our power play didn't match up to there's, but Lucic is also our top power play scorer.

Having said all that, I have to hand it to the Canucks. They developed a strategy based on a weakness and executed to that strategy perfectly. They taunted the Bruins, got them to bite, and the put the puck in the net on every power play. Good for them.

The silver lining is that the Bruins needed a game like this to learn to get their emotions in check. Hopefully this was a good lesson that will pay them back later in the year.

Well said. Our team is really strong mentally, and they will no doubt use this as a learning experience for later in the year. And you can bet, if we somehow happen to play Vancouver again this year (it could only happen in an SCF rematch), these tactics won't work for Vancouver then.

Still no word on any possible discipline for Marchand.. don't know what's taking so long. I won't even touch on the ridiculous character assassination attempts coming out of Vancouver the past two days. I've never seen such a bunch of hypocritical whiners as bad as this Vancouver team. They have players that play just as dirty as the Bruins.

Props to Claude Julien and Peter Chiarelli for not backing down and standing up for their guy.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

I think he definitely gets something out of this. I'd give him a game, maybe 2.

I did like this though -- The Province already has the webpage up declaring that he is going to get "XXX games" Is that 30?

EDIT: BTW -- nice find on the videos above.

 

[zioxide]

5 games?

Shanahan is on crack. NO CONSISTENCY with his rulings. Looks like this guy took one too many shots to the head while he was playing because he's obviously dumb as a rock. Worse than Colin Campbell.

I can agree with a suspension for this kind of hit because it is dangerous and shouldn't be in hockey. But he needs to be consistent. Start suspending every player that takes out a player's legs. Don't pick and choose. Five games is excessive if Ballard can take out Campbell's legs in the same game and not even get a 2 minute minor.

Statement from Bruins General Manager regarding Suspension to Brad Marchand

"While we respect the process that the Department of Player Safety took to reach their decision regarding Brad’s hit on Sami Salo, we are very disappointed by their ruling.

"While we understand that the Department of Safety is an evolving entity, it is frustrating that there are clear comparable situations that have not been penalized or sanctioned in the past.

"It is equally disappointing that Brad sought the counsel of the Department this past Fall for an explanation and clarification regarding this type of scenario so as to adjust his game if necessary. He was advised that such an incident was not sanctionable if he was protecting his own safety. Given our feeling that Brad was indeed protecting himself and certainly did not clip the player as he contacted the player nowhere near the knee or quadricep, today’s ruling is not consistent with what the Department of Player Safety communicated to Brad."

 

[runlsd]

5 games. Wow.

Look on the bright side. It'll be good for the Bruins in the long run. Marchand will be less likely to put his team shorthanded.. especially 5 min majors.

 

[bruinsrme]

A lot of things don't add up in that game.
It was an embarrassment to the league.
Something needs to happen with the officiating. A number of games I have seen there have been weak penalties called followed up by blatant violation overlooked.
The goal tender interference needs to be revisited. The goalies senses a little polyester and theyre flopping like a fish just pulled from the water. Ok call it and give the goalie an unsportsmanlike as well.

If a player is pushed into the goalie call the player that bumps the goalie as well as the player initiating the contact.

There are 4 officials out there. There is no excuse to not get more calls correct.

Too many people give Sedin too much credit. He got off the ice because he is a wimp not because because he saw too players on the ice, c'mon.

 

[Surely]

^^^^Yes, Sedin is a wimp. I'm no Canucks fan, but let's get real here.



Based on his history, I can see why he got 5 games. I thought he'd get 3.

It was a stupid, reckless, dangerous play.


The Bruins play like a bunch of *******s. And it works. It worked for the Ducks in 2007, and everyone hated them too.

 

[cuestakid]

^^^^Yes, Sedin is a wimp. I'm no Canucks fan, but let's get real here.



Based on his history, I can see why he got 5 games. I thought he'd get 3.

It was a stupid, reckless, dangerous play.


The Bruins play like a bunch of *******s. And it works. It worked for the Ducks in 2007, and everyone HATES them too.

fixed that-

i just have four words for Dustin Penner-

bagel and cream cheese

 

[Surely]

fixed that-

i just have four words for Dustin Penner-

bagel and cream cheese

But really, it's just a fluke injury. I heard a story today on HockeyCentral where a guy bent down to simply tie his shoe, and his back ceased up. Couldn't play for a week.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

Yeah, that's called being old. Welcome too it... I've been here a while.

It's not the age, it's the miles.

 

[Surely]

I forgot to mention this in response to zioxide's post above......Matt Cooke only has 14 PIMs this year. The jury is still out, but I don't think we can group him in with the dirtiest players in the league anymore. The rest of his numbers (except for his +/-) are on pace to match the last few years too. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.....maybe he'll still do something stupid, but I doubt it, as he's actively decided to play the game differently.




Remember when a certain Bruin got injured because of a low, dirty hit (at 15 seconds into the video)? It was the start of the end of his career. It wasn't cool when Samuelsson did it, and it wasn't cool when Marchand did it (yes, the hits were a bit different, but they were both low, dirty, and unnecessary).

 

[yg17]

Remember when a certain Bruin got injured because of a low, dirty hit (at 15 seconds into the video)? It was the start of the end of his career. It wasn't cool when Samuelsson did it, and it wasn't cool when Marchand did it (yes, the hits were a bit different, but they were both low, dirty, and unnecessary).

YouTube: video

Seabass should've kicked his ass for that hit.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

I like the scene with Milbury on the bench losing his mind after the hit...

 

[Surely]

I like the scene with Milbury on the bench losing his mind after the hit...

I think there was a 12 year old kid lying on the floor.

 

[zioxide]

I forgot to mention this in response to zioxide's post above......Matt Cooke only has 14 PIMs this year. The jury is still out, but I don't think we can group him in with the dirtiest players in the league anymore.

**** matt cooke. He ended Marc Savard's career.

Remember when a certain Bruin got injured because of a low, dirty hit (at 15 seconds into the video)? It was the start of the end of his career. It wasn't cool when Samuelsson did it, and it wasn't cool when Marchand did it (yes, the hits were a bit different, but they were both low, dirty, and unnecessary).

YouTube: video

I agree that these types of hits should be taken out of the game. Going for the knees is just too dangerous. But Marchand is definitely not the first player to throw one of these hits this year. Shanahan is a ****in idiot and he needs to stop picking and choosing which guys he's going to suspend. Suspend them all or don't suspend anyone.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

^^ I'm not quite there. He's drawing the boundaries. And, remember, it wasn't his call during the playoffs. I think things are being taken more seriously this year and I'm still fine with what he's doing. I think 5 is a bit stiff but I doubt you'll see Marchand in this position again.

 

[Surely]

^^ I'm not quite there. He's drawing the boundaries. And, remember, it wasn't his call during the playoffs. I think things are being taken more seriously this year and I'm still fine with what he's doing. I think 5 is a bit stiff but I doubt you'll see Marchand in this position again.

I pretty much agree with that. Shanahan hasn't done a perfect job so far (he's missed on a few calls), but overall it's been alright.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

I think there was a 12 year old kid lying on the floor.

just saw this - LOL.

At least he didn't beat him with a shoe

 

[zioxide]

^^ I'm not quite there. He's drawing the boundaries. And, remember, it wasn't his call during the playoffs. I think things are being taken more seriously this year and I'm still fine with what he's doing. I think 5 is a bit stiff but I doubt you'll see Marchand in this position again.

If Ballard can throw the same exact hit on Campbell in the same game and not even get a 2 minute penalty for it, then he's not doing a very good job.

 

[MooneyFlyer]

I pretty much agree with that. Shanahan hasn't done a perfect job so far (he's missed on a few calls), but overall it's been alright.

BTW: Marchand coughs up $152,000+ for that little incident. OUCH!!!

 

[supercooled]

BTW: Marchand coughs up $152,000+ for that little incident. OUCH!!!

Did a quick calculation on that. Based on an 82 game schedule, that gives him 2.5million a year more or less.
Obscene amount of money for playing 5 games.



Mind = blown.

 

[zioxide]

Did a quick calculation on that. Based on an 82 game schedule, that gives him 2.5million a year more or less.
Obscene amount of money for playing 5 games.



Mind = blown.

http://articles.boston.com/2011-09-14/sports/30156109_1_brad-marchand-extension-contract

The Bruins have confirmed that Brad Marchand has agreed to a contract extension. According to TSN, Marchand has signed a two-year, $5 million contract, giving him an annual cap hit of $2.5 million. Marchand will earn $2 million this season and $3 million in 2012-13.

Not as bad as Albert Pujols making $68,000 a day, every day for the next ten years though.