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I want you to swear on a stack of iPads that no Flyer fan thought that the Pens would be this bad and that the series that everyone had going 7 games will not even go 6(possibly even 5).

I wrote this:

- Pens in 7 (originally wrote Flyers but this is a toss up in my mind. If the Flyers play really heavy hockey they can win)
I'm hardly a flyer fan :)
The goaltending is far worse than I expected and Philly has dominated physically. I still maintain that the Pens are whiners and divers from what I've seen so far. There was another penalty on a stick that didn't come near the Pit guys face. They will lose and good riddance. That is not the hockey I grew up watching and I don't like it now.
 
I can't believe some Pens fans I know think that James Neal hit on Couterier was a clean hit.


Appalled Neal wasn't penalized right away. The puck was NO WHERE near Coots. Classless hit.

They say the Flyers are a dirty team? Watch this game and then try to say the Flyers are a dirty team. Pathetic and completely classless from the pens.
 
Well right now the most interesting series is Wings, Sharks, and Kings (IMO). I hope we can get back in game 4 @ Joe Louis Arena, I sense a game 7 series here.
 
I can't believe some Pens fans I know think that James Neal hit on Couterier was a clean hit.


Appalled Neal wasn't penalized right away. The puck was NO WHERE near Coots. Classless hit.

They say the Flyers are a dirty team? Watch this game and then try to say the Flyers are a dirty team. Pathetic and completely classless from the pens.

The only thing inaccurate about your post is that the puck was near him. Here's a video: http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...ed-off-philly-with-his-hit-on-sean-couturier/

However, he didn't have possession of the puck and he wasn't near enough to it to warrant any sort of hit. Neal's hit was very dirty, and he left his feet.


Regarding the Adams/Hartnell fight, I don't think Adams meant to pull Hartnell's hair. I think he was trying to grab the back of his sweater, and grabbed a bunch of hair at the same time. I mean, it's basically impossible to not pull that guy's hair....
 
robo: i hope your boys win 10-0 next game. pittsburgh is a TRASH team. they whine and dive worse than vancouver. I think I saw more cheap shots in that game today by pittsburgh than I have seen the Bruins or Flyers throw since the 1970s. crosby leads it all too. Don't know why I expect anything less from the team that employs matt cooke though.


can't wait to hear all the whining next time Crosby gets concussed. that's called karma pittsburgh. (ok, maybe I'm still a bit bitter over Savard, but I can't help but imagine how dominant a Lucic/Savard/Seguin line would be :()

anyway, hope philly wins. If my boys can sack up and score some goals vs washington, I'd love to see a rubber match between Boston and Philly.
 
The punishment has come down for Hagelin...

Carl Hagelin suspended 3 Games

I think that's a good suspension for what happened.

But then it makes me think, what should Asham get for today's attack on Schenn?

One can make the argument that Hagelin targeted Alfie's head and the play happened fast etc.., but Asham skated from near the middle of the slot and purposely went after Schenn who had cleanly* labelled the pittsburgh player.

I put the * b/c it was definitely charging, but an otherwise clean hit with shoulder leading first. He could have demolished the guy by changing his body angle.

But what Asham did was just plain criminal in my mind. There was nothing hockey about it. He wasn't trying to bodycheck a player like Schenn was. He was trying to hurt for revenge.

Those are the types of plays that Shanahan has to come down hard on.

Don Cherry said it best Saturday night after the Hagelin hit (ad libbing, but you get the jist) :

The dirty plays happen because the cheap hit artists aren't afraid of guys like Carkner who would just grab a guy and feed him some fists. The rules and nature of the game have changed in such a way (instigator) that these idiotic plays/attacks are happening.

What Carkner did was right. Just grab the guy and punch the crap out of him. At least he didn't do what that goon Bertuzzi did for Vancouver years ago. Still pathetic that the trial still hasn't happened and won't until the fall. He was trying to hurt Steve Moore. Carkner just wanted to send a message. lol

Man I wish I had a ticket for tomorrow night's game against the Rangers. I'm a Habs fan so watching from the golf course lol

Love the caps winning in game 2. I don't hate the bruins like I do the leafs so I could care less if they win it all, but it's a neat story with that Holtby kid coming in and standing up vs the Cup champs. Nice to see that in any sport.
I have the utmost respect for Tim Thomas given his battle from obscurity to one of the top goalies in the league. He's another awesome story over the last few years.

Oh, and the best part is that during game 1 of Nashville-Detroit or maybe it was Phoenix-Chicago, I heard that Bettman said before the playoffs, that the refs would be calling it the same as regular season.

yaaaaa....rriiiiiiiiiiiiiight :) lol

His panties must be all bunched up his a55 from all the fighting. :D
 
The punishment has come down for Hagelin...

Carl Hagelin suspended 3 Games

I still don't get these suspensions. Haggelin didn't mean to elbow him (to be malicious/intent to injury). I could see 1 game maybe 2 because Alf. was injured. Carkner blatantly punched Boyle in the head multiple times when he didn't want to fight and was down on the ice in a "defenseless position; not to mention he has has previous fines.
The league baffles me at times.
 
What Carkner did was right. Just grab the guy and punch the crap out of him. At least he didn't do what that goon Bertuzzi did for Vancouver years ago. Still pathetic that the trial still hasn't happened and won't until the fall. He was trying to hurt Steve Moore. Carkner just wanted to send a message. lol

What Carkner did was right? Seriously? That was total bush-league. It was just as premeditated as what Bertuzzi did, and the only difference between the two plays is that Boyle wasn't injured. Sucker punching and then punching a guy over and over when he's down and defenseless does not belong in the NHL.

I still don't get these suspensions. Haggelin didn't mean to elbow him (to be malicious/intent to injury). I could see 1 game maybe 2 because Alf. was injured. Carkner blatantly punched Boyle in the head multiple times when he didn't want to fight and was down on the ice in a "defenseless position; not to mention he has has previous fines.
The league baffles me at times.

I don't get it either. Carkner should have received 3 games and Hagelin should have received 1 game. It's flip-flopped. Carkner's attack was much more vicious than what Hagelin did.


The NHL should throw the book at Asham and Neil.
 
Rangers respond link
"The New York Rangers accept the NHL's three-game suspension of Carl Hagelin and will not pursue an appeal. However, we are thoroughly perplexed in the ruling's inconsistency with other supplementary discipline decisions that have been made throughout this season and during the playoffs. We will have no further comment on this decision."

100% agreed.
This playoff season is turning into fighting instead of just hockey.
 
Bwahahaha

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and Kesler's a douche.
 
What Carkner did was right? Seriously? That was total bush-league. It was just as premeditated as what Bertuzzi did, and the only difference between the two plays is that Boyle wasn't injured. Sucker punching and then punching a guy over and over when he's down and defenseless does not belong in the NHL.



I don't get it either. Carkner should have received 3 games and Hagelin should have received 1 game. It's flip-flopped. Carkner's attack was much more vicious than what Hagelin did.


The NHL should throw the book at Asham and Neil.

Agree 100%. Especially since Hagelin has no record and is a rookie and Carkner is a nobody, so you'd figure the illogical Shanaban would swing against Carkner. I was expecting 2-3 for Carkner, 1-2 for Hagelin.

Asham should get a 6 game suspension thrown his way (just in case the Pens do the incredible and actually win the series, but we all know that won't happen). Neal I could rationally see getting 2-4, but knowing Shanahan it'll probably be $$$-2 games max.

Bwahahaha

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and Kesler's a douche.

So perfect and so true. Fantastic.
 
The inconsistency is maddening.

I think Shanahan's pea-sized brain with a topper of multiple post-concussion syndromes is just overwhelmed.

Can't wait to get my blood pressure up after hearing today's updates.

Go Bruins!! :p
 
Asham will get three games plus? Now Neal's another story? He should get three but I don't see that happening because he's one of the better players on the team:mad:
 
What Carkner did was right? Seriously? That was total bush-league. It was just as premeditated as what Bertuzzi did, and the only difference between the two plays is that Boyle wasn't injured. Sucker punching and then punching a guy over and over when he's down and defenseless does not belong in the NHL.



I don't get it either. Carkner should have received 3 games and Hagelin should have received 1 game. It's flip-flopped. Carkner's attack was much more vicious than what Hagelin did.


The NHL should throw the book at Asham and Neil.

well obviously I disagree that Carkner's attack and Hagelin's are equal and that Carkner should have received more games.

Carkner's move was pre-meditated - we figured he would go after Boyle, but it wasn't intent to injure like Hagelin's targeting Alfie's head. Carkner was sending a message, not trying to injure. You can argue that punching a guy can indeed give a concussion, but at least he's holding the guy up and not slamming him into the glass and he's using fists instead of incredibly thick and hard plastic (ie. the elbow pad!).

Hagelin's hit has far more injury consequences by hitting Alfie with that chunk of plastic, full on skating and slamming him into the boards. I'm no physicist, but I would think the amount of force from that hit on Alfie has alot more than guy's fist. Let's not even get into how Hagelin wasn't even trying to hit Alfie's body and completely lead with his elbow and directed it at the head. lol Not at all the same as what Carkner did imho.

Not all at the same as Bertuzzi on Moore. Carkner went after Boyle along the boards, face to face - not sucker punching him from behind in the middle of the ice then jumping on his back to slam his face. Yes, Boyle didn't fight back, but that was his choice. Moore had no choice to make - Bertuzzi made it for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz9RE9RGrVY

I do agree with you on the punching while on the ice - I never agree with that either. Letang did that to Timonen yesterday. The fighting 'code' seems to have disappeared for the most part.

But I think this is all the NHL's fault and a directive from Bettman. If the linesman would just p*ss off and let guys fight instead building tensions and forcing players to resort to these shady tactics, I believe most of the problems would be resolved themselves.

Classic example was yesterday with Crosby and Giroux. They wanted to go, the linesman stepped in, players milled around, Crosby knocks some guys' glove away, Timonen steps in, Crosby grabs him, Giroux grabs Crosby, Letang grabs Timonen and Crosby / Giroux finally go.

If the linesman would have just let them fight the first time, there wouldn't have been the build up and 1 less fight (Letang/Timonen) probably wouldn't have happened.

Bettman seems to keep thinking that if you make hockey less violent, the southern US states will tune in. Wrong! The US loves their football - especially the south and it overrules all except baseball. Keep hockey in the northern States and a few more teams in Canada. I've always thought that to be ironic given that football is very violent with the big hits etc... very similar to hockey, but hockey won't catch on. I'm convinced.

But, whatever the case may be, I can't remember a playoff year where so many teams are fighting and going after each so hard. I remember when if there was a fight in the playoffs, it was rare. This year, it's the complete opposite.

I sure wish I could be at the game here tonight. Ottawa fans are normally quiet, but the few playoff games I've been to the past have been deafening and game 2 has everyone buzzing. Tonight will be insane.
 
well obviously I disagree that Carkner's attack and Hagelin's are equal and that Carkner should have received more games.

Carkner's move was pre-meditated - we figured he would go after Boyle, but it wasn't intent to injure like Hagelin's targeting Alfie's head. Carkner was sending a message, not trying to injure. You can argue that punching a guy can indeed give a concussion, but at least he's holding the guy up and not slamming him into the glass and he's using fists instead of incredibly thick and hard plastic (ie. the elbow pad!).

Hagelin's hit has far more injury consequences by hitting Alfie with that chunk of plastic, full on skating and slamming him into the boards. I'm no physicist, but I would think the amount of force from that hit on Alfie has alot more than guy's fist. Let's not even get into how Hagelin wasn't even trying to hit Alfie's body and completely lead with his elbow and directed it at the head. lol Not at all the same as what Carkner did imho.

Not all at the same as Bertuzzi on Moore. Carkner went after Boyle along the boards, face to face - not sucker punching him from behind in the middle of the ice then jumping on his back to slam his face. Yes, Boyle didn't fight back, but that was his choice. Moore had no choice to make - Bertuzzi made it for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz9RE9RGrVY

I do agree with you on the punching while on the ice - I never agree with that either. Letang did that to Timonen yesterday. The fighting 'code' seems to have disappeared for the most part.

But I think this is all the NHL's fault and a directive from Bettman. If the linesman would just p*ss off and let guys fight instead building tensions and forcing players to resort to these shady tactics, I believe most of the problems would be resolved themselves.

Classic example was yesterday with Crosby and Giroux. They wanted to go, the linesman stepped in, players milled around, Crosby knocks some guys' glove away, Timonen steps in, Crosby grabs him, Giroux grabs Crosby, Letang grabs Timonen and Crosby / Giroux finally go.

If the linesman would have just let them fight the first time, there wouldn't have been the build up and 1 less fight (Letang/Timonen) probably wouldn't have happened.

Bettman seems to keep thinking that if you make hockey less violent, the southern US states will tune in. Wrong! The US loves their football - especially the south and it overrules all except baseball. Keep hockey in the northern States and a few more teams in Canada. I've always thought that to be ironic given that football is very violent with the big hits etc... very similar to hockey, but hockey won't catch on. I'm convinced.

But, whatever the case may be, I can't remember a playoff year where so many teams are fighting and going after each so hard. I remember when if there was a fight in the playoffs, it was rare. This year, it's the complete opposite.

I sure wish I could be at the game here tonight. Ottawa fans are normally quiet, but the few playoff games I've been to the past have been deafening and game 2 has everyone buzzing. Tonight will be insane.

If Carkner was sending a message he must have the worst stuttering problem known to man.

I think what Bertuzzi did was completely disgusting. However, the league has changed just as the rules have.

Most of the play offs games have the feel of the movie Slap shot.
 
Sucker punching a guy in the face before he's agreed to fight and then popping him in the back of the head 7-9 times while he's down in a defenseless position is intent to injure.

It is debatable whether Hagelin had intent to injure or not. We can't know what he was thinking. Based on his comments afterwards, I don't think he was intending to injure one of his favorite players.

"I tried to finish my check and he chipped it out and kind of went back a bit. So my elbow came up, so his stick kind of came up in my face and I kind of moved my head back a bit and my elbow kind of hit him in the head," Hagelin said. "I just hope he's doing well and that he can play [Monday night]."

Both players grew up in Sweden, and Hagelin said Alfredsson was "one of my favorite players. I had no intention to hurt him."

More here:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/sto...ators-daniel-alfredsson-awaits-result-hearing
 
Neal will have two meetings (efficiency whut?) regarding his hits on Couturier and Giroux. One of those has to end up with a game, you'd figure.

Asham is booked for an in-person gig. He's done for the playoffs no doubt.
 
Neal will have two meetings (efficiency whut?) regarding his hits on Couturier and Giroux. One of those has to end up with a game, you'd figure.

Asham is booked for an in-person gig. He's done for the playoffs no doubt.

Asham has to be dealt with carefully-whats the point of a 4 game suspension if the team only plays 1 more. It must stretch into next year if they don't play the same number of games as the suspension.

Neal might as well concede one suspenion (I would the Giroux hit only because he flew into Couturier
 
Warning - slightly long post to follow :)

I still don't get these suspensions. Haggelin didn't mean to elbow him (to be malicious/intent to injury). I could see 1 game maybe 2 because Alf. was injured. Carkner blatantly punched Boyle in the head multiple times when he didn't want to fight and was down on the ice in a "defenseless position; not to mention he has has previous fines.
The league baffles me at times.

What Carkner did was right? Seriously? That was total bush-league. It was just as premeditated as what Bertuzzi did, and the only difference between the two plays is that Boyle wasn't injured. Sucker punching and then punching a guy over and over when he's down and defenseless does not belong in the NHL.

I don't get it either. Carkner should have received 3 games and Hagelin should have received 1 game. It's flip-flopped. Carkner's attack was much more vicious than what Hagelin did.

The NHL should throw the book at Asham and Neil.

Amen brotha. You guys both have it. There is a difference for someone getting their elbow up in the heat of battle and getting a penalty for it. Carkner simply went on the attack. It wasn't like there was some agreement to fight / etc... even still, once the guy is down it's supposed to be over (or at least after the one last cheapshot). That is not at all what happened. 1 game is a joke for this.

well obviously I disagree that Carkner's attack and Hagelin's are equal and that Carkner should have received more games.

Carkner's move was pre-meditated - we figured he would go after Boyle, but it wasn't intent to injure like Hagelin's targeting Alfie's head. Carkner was sending a message, not trying to injure. You can argue that punching a guy can indeed give a concussion, but at least he's holding the guy up and not slamming him into the glass and he's using fists instead of incredibly thick and hard plastic (ie. the elbow pad!).

Hagelin's hit has far more injury consequences by hitting Alfie with that chunk of plastic, full on skating and slamming him into the boards. I'm no physicist, but I would think the amount of force from that hit on Alfie has alot more than guy's fist. Let's not even get into how Hagelin wasn't even trying to hit Alfie's body and completely lead with his elbow and directed it at the head. lol Not at all the same as what Carkner did imho.

Sorry dude but what planet do you live on? Your position is that a premeditated attack (which involved attempting to beat the **** out of the guy while he is on the ground -- repeatedly) is better than an errent elbow during the course of play? Get off it.

The problem here is that Shanahan let this get out of control from the beginning. He had a chance to set the first example and then send a message to the GMs saying "get your team in line or this won't be the last." No one wants to lose players to suspensions especially in the playoffs.

Now, of course, I will give you a +1 on your post because I can't completely disagree with any Habs fan that likes the Bruins more than the Leafs :p

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This is just pathetic. I hope that someone beats Chimera senseless. There is no place for this in a game much less in life unless you are in a desperate situation.

http://video.thescore.com/watch/chimera-spears-marchand

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Finally, let's hope that Alzner can back it up..


What is interesting is this article which at first said that Chimera apologized to Marchand for the low blow but then later reposted that it was Alzner that was apologizing for an elbow... who knows.. Who apologizes in the playoffs?
 
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