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Hey, if salaries don't matter, or are not THE factor, please send all spare NYY monies to us over here in SF, Detroit, and St. Louis! ;)

Anyway, what a salary and all the money in the world can't do is to "undo" that mishap of Jeter. That was ugly and at age 38 I hope he gets to play pro baseball again. It's weird how the announcer first said, "he's OK" but then watching the slo–mo realized this was it for Jeter this year, and realistically at his age playing so hard since mid-90s, this could be curtains for his career.

It's hard enough when a team gets an injury like a just starting out guy like Posey here suffered but there's always a reasonable expectation that he will heal and return to full form for his MLB team. That pain Jeter was in and being carried off the field was hard to watch and really reminded me of when Theisman got hurt in football.

It doesn't matter if you broke a knee all twisted up or just an ankle like it appears in Jeter, if you are not 100% percent the Yankees (more than anybody) can and will replace you. The shock of seeing Jeter go so early may play into the minds of the team and hurt them from now on.

Oh, please. Total BS. DJ will play for as long as DJ wants to play. As will Mo - if he wants to play next year, he will. Their loyalty kept Jorge around for a year longer than was probably necessary.

And say what you want about the $$ the Yankees spend - the core of all of their championships have been homegrown guys. Bernie, DJ, Mariano, Andy, Jorge. Look at their rotation this year: Nova, Hughes, Pettitte. 2 important guys in their pen: D-Rob and Joba are both homegrown. They develop their guys also - the difference is they are willing to spend the $$ to keep them. As opposed to teams like the Royals who prefer to pocket the money instead of putting it on the field.

It amazes me how much hate the Yankees get for trying to field a successful team. Hate the organizations that put their wallets before winning.
 
That will be scary to see Jeter's and Rivera's career end in the same year due to injury.

But if a 40 year old Pettitte can recover from a fractured ankle, Jeter can too. Talk about moving him to RF may come sooner than he may wish, but with Swisher most likely walking this offseason, it may be the best time to move him.

Watching him at shortstop is kind of sad. He still has a solid arm and good hands, but man some of those routine plays where he has to rush in to field a slow grounder are way more close than they should be.

A couple years ago he made up for his lack of range with better positioning. Even better positioning isn't helping make up for his range. He has about 2.5 steps to his left and 2.5 steps to his right. Add in Alex Rodriguez, another guy who has lost a lot of range, and their left side of the infield looks awful.

Honestly, what I would do is see if Jeter can handle third, if he can, make A-Rod the DH/backup 3B and 1B. Who knows, maybe moving him to DH will make him become 80% of what he once was.

If Jeter can't handle third, put him in either left or right. He isn't going to be good out there in the corner outfield spots, but he can be passable out there.

The Yankees are pretty much handicapped with A-Rod, I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up mediocre numbers for the rest of his career, his bat speed has become ridiculously slow.
 
Oh, please. Total BS. DJ will play for as long as DJ wants to play. As will Mo - if he wants to play next year, he will. Their loyalty kept Jorge around for a year longer than was probably necessary.

And say what you want about the $$ the Yankees spend - the core of all of their championships have been homegrown guys. Bernie, DJ, Mariano, Andy, Jorge. Look at their rotation this year: Nova, Hughes, Pettitte. 2 important guys in their pen: D-Rob and Joba are both homegrown. They develop their guys also - the difference is they are willing to spend the $$ to keep them. As opposed to teams like the Royals who prefer to pocket the money instead of putting it on the field.

It amazes me how much hate the Yankees get for trying to field a successful team. Hate the organizations that put their wallets before winning.

It's not Yankee hate, just jealousy against the greatest team in professional sports history. Some of us non Yankee fans here feel that in some way, they buy their championships.

However, you obviously don't watch sports too much. At age 38, it's rare to survive in MLB baseball. He may retire, or play a year or two, but he won't PLAY as long as he wants to. What if he wants to play until he's 60? He's a Yankee legend and maybe the best, but who will keep him on forever?

I liked Montana with 49ers and Johnson with Giants, but even they (as great as they were and among the best Bay Area athletes) got old, or at least old enough to not be as effective. It's not a mere sprained ankle Jeter got, it was quite serious.
 
It's not Yankee hate, just jealousy against the greatest team in professional sports history. Some of us non Yankee fans here feel that in some way, they buy their championships.

However, you obviously don't watch sports too much. At age 38, it's rare to survive in MLB baseball. He may retire, or play a year or two, but he won't PLAY as long as he wants to. What if he wants to play until he's 60? He's a Yankee legend and maybe the best, but who will keep him on forever?

I liked Montana with 49ers and Johnson with Giants, but even they (as great as they were and among the best Bay Area athletes) got old, or at least old enough to not be as effective. It's not a mere sprained ankle Jeter got, it was quite serious.

I do watch plenty of sports. And I watch plenty of baseball. :rolleyes:

And DJ won't play until he's 50 (that's obviously not what I was implying) because he's too much of a competitor. He'll play for as long as he feels like he can compete. Let's not forget this season he led the league in hits, and he was killing it this post season, so don't act like he has nothing left and the Yanks would put him down like an old horse. You implied that the Yankees would toss him away if they thought he would be less because of a broken ankle. Did they do that with Andy Pettitte this year? No, he started in Game 1 of the ALCS. You may watch plenty of sports, but you obviously don't know much about the Yankees.
 
The Umpire Screwjob.

That's all.......

Well, it would be a lot easier to get ticked off (I think the bad call on Robbie last night that cost them a run was much bigger) if they could SCORE ANY RUNS. But, they can't. Of course coming back from 1 run is easier than 3.

Still, 2 games and 2 horrible calls. Replay please.
 
Well, it would be a lot easier to get ticked off (I think the bad call on Robbie last night that cost them a run was much bigger) if they could SCORE ANY RUNS. But, they can't. Of course coming back from 1 run is easier than 3.

Still, 2 games and 2 horrible calls. Replay please.

That call last night is included in the Umpire Screwjob.
 
I do watch plenty of sports. And I watch plenty of baseball. :rolleyes:

And DJ won't play until he's 50 (that's obviously not what I was implying) because he's too much of a competitor. He'll play for as long as he feels like he can compete. Let's not forget this season he led the league in hits, and he was killing it this post season, so don't act like he has nothing left and the Yanks would put him down like an old horse. You implied that the Yankees would toss him away if they thought he would be less because of a broken ankle. Did they do that with Andy Pettitte this year? No, he started in Game 1 of the ALCS. You may watch plenty of sports, but you obviously don't know much about the Yankees.

I agree that we disagree.

That being said, if there is any team that can beat the odds, it's the Yankees and the record will clearly show that. And if there are any players that can shut up naysayers like me it's the great talents of legends like Pettitte and Jeter.

Now to restate that he can play as long as he feels he can compete is a much more accurate statement!

You may be wrong and so may I, and maybe he could blow us all away and play until he's 49 or 50. I was reading he's 38 but looks 28 and I will at least agree with that. I just think if any position is a young man's position, it's ss.

In my opinion, he's the runaway top vote getter for all around best player of 90s/00s baseball. A lot more of the players are doing the moneyball thing and going for base hits and top hitters get that gap between 2nd and 3rd, Ichiro style. Next year, or the year after, if the Yankees want to keep him, put A-Rod at ss and Jeter somewhere else. Jeter, obviously, will be able to hit for at least "few" more years, maybe even more, but I don't see him continuing with the lightning speed modern shortstops need. That way, if there are any remaining records to be broken in the hitting department, then he can last well into his late-40s chasing those.
 
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Giants win big and at home and that is needed right now. They have shown they can win decisively on the road but I don't want to have to rely only on that. As good as the Giants are in pitching, there are times hitters get the best of them and rally and get a few points which is often enough to beat the Giants who are often weak on hitting.

In AL, Yankees are going to come out with a full force not seen before and will probably win today. I don't expect the Yankees, especially them, to be out of it until they have lost 4. More than any other team, if they are back against the wall, they perk up like the salaries say they should. I still hope Yankees lose so if my Giants (and to a lesser extent the Cardinals) go to WS, it will be against Detroit.

There are so so many years where the Yankees limped into WS but then destroyed the NL opponent as if they had a 100 game winning season. A-Rod being slowed down and Jeter completely out doesn't stop the magic they have in the big series. My wife, a Manhattanite will be all over this one and I will root for the typical NL underdog if this comes down to NYY attended WS. The only thing a NYY win will do for me is seeing a deserving Ichiro finally get the one thing he doesn't have, a ring. The other thing, and the one which both Barry Bonds and myself (and tons of others fans) think that will put Ichiro at greatest of all time would be 3,000 hits. Even if Ichiro never gets that ring, a 3,000 hit career (after long career first in Japan with none of those hits counting) will make the best argument for Ichiro essentially being the Pete Rose of our times.
 
In AL, Yankees are going to come out with a full force not seen before and will probably win today. I don't expect the Yankees, especially them, to be out of it until they have lost 4. More than any other team, if they are back against the wall, they perk up like the salaries say they should.

When it comes to actually playing the game, salaries don't dictate performance. It's not like a player currently slumping (as many of the Yankees hitters are) is like, "well I make $15 million a year, time to start hitting." They have some talented hitters (Cano, Teixeira, etc.) who could rebound in a big way, but it's not a given in the postseason.

63dot said:
There are so so many years where the Yankees limped into WS but then destroyed the NL opponent as if they had a 100 game winning season.

Limped into the World Series? That sounds like an oxymoron. What year are you talking about?

63dot said:
I still hope Yankees lose so if my Giants (and to a lesser extent the Cardinals) go to WS, it will be against Detroit.

Be careful what you wish for. The Yankees are tough, but so is Detroit. Facing Verlander 2-3 times is no cake walk.

I really hope the Cardinals lose. I think their fans get way too much credit for being all nice and homespun. My ass. I took my girlfriend to a Royals/Cardinals game at Kauffman Stadium a few years ago. The Royals were giving away free t-shirts, so we grabbed a pair and put them on. Obnoxious Cardinals fans sitting behind us threw peanuts at us, harassed us, and were generally ********s the entire time.

I finally had to stand up and tell them I was a Red Sox fan and that if they didn't quit it, I'd dole out the same ass whooping the Red Sox gave the Cardinals in the 2004 World Series. It shut them up for about 3 innings. That, and a friend of mine's girlfriend is a Cardinals fan and she's a giant B. I've yet to meet a Cardinals fan I really like, and that makes all the difference for me.
 
When it comes to actually playing the game, salaries don't dictate performance. It's not like a player currently slumping (as many of the Yankees hitters are) is like, "well I make $15 million a year, time to start hitting." They have some talented hitters (Cano, Teixeira, etc.) who could rebound in a big way, but it's not a given in the postseason.



Limped into the World Series? That sounds like an oxymoron. What year are you talking about?



Be careful what you wish for. The Yankees are tough, but so is Detroit. Facing Verlander 2-3 times is no cake walk.

I really hope the Cardinals lose. I think their fans get way too much credit for being all nice and homespun. My ass. I took my girlfriend to a Royals/Cardinals game at Kauffman Stadium a few years ago. The Royals were giving away free t-shirts, so we grabbed a pair and put them on. Obnoxious Cardinals fans sitting behind us threw peanuts at us, harassed us, and were generally ********s the entire time.

I finally had to stand up and tell them I was a Red Sox fan and that if they didn't quit it, I'd dole out the same ass whooping the Red Sox gave the Cardinals in the 2004 World Series. It shut them up for about 3 innings. That, and a friend of mine's girlfriend is a Cardinals fan and she's a giant B. I've yet to meet a Cardinals fan I really like, and that makes all the difference for me.

I agree. Cards fans are actually the most "smug" fans in the league

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I don't expect the Yankees, especially them, to be out of it until they have lost 4. More than any other team, if they are back against the wall, they perk up like the salaries say they should..

you drive me nuts bud :p
 
I agree also. So smug while continuously insisting they are the nicest and sweetest. 2 Words: Mark McGwire. **** about A-Rod. :D

To recap:

Smuggest: Cardinals Fans
Best Chowdah Makers: Red Sox Fans
Rudest: Orioles Fans
Best Looking: Yankees Fans ;)

Ha, that was as generous as you could be, wasn't it? ;)

This should probably be added to the list:

Most Capable of Ignoring Horrible Smells: Yankees Fans
Wittiest and Best in Bed: Red Sox Fans
Angriest: Phillies Fans
Eternally Optimistic: Royals Fans
 
Be careful what you wish for. The Yankees are tough, but so is Detroit. Facing Verlander 2-3 times is no cake walk.

There is a different level of tough when we are talking postseason and talking Yankees. Not only have they been here a lot, they have a great winning percentage when they get to WS.

Though they get paid the best, it's still quite a motivator to know that if you don't perform, there are tons of other MLB players they could buy to replace you. There are so many reasons why the NYY are the toughest and even though most players are doing really well financially regardless of team, they won't go over to Yankees for same pay but often do when offer is higher.

Everybody has a point to where they could be bought and everybody has a point to where they get motivated by money. Unfortunately, while it's hard to prove, steroid use and the increased performance from the banned substances could be more about how expensive it could make you become than simply doing better to win a game.

Who here thinks the Yankees would do the same without as big a budget? Sure, we have low budget teams like the A's but even their stellar records pale in comparison to Yankees. Other than money, what other factor can attract talent like who is, and has been, on the NYY? I wish there were other factors I can think of to explain the excellence of NYY, but they aren't paying high just because they are "generous". Is there a team in the NBA or NFL as prolific over the years as the NYY?
 
The season is over now, Nunez at short. Gardner starting for the first time since April. No A-Rod who hits well off of Zoolander.
 
The season is over now, Nunez at short. Gardner starting for the first time since April. No A-Rod who hits well off of Zoolander.

Eh, If it's over after tomorrow night, I'll accept it. But, I'm not going to give up.

Nunez is a definite downgrade over Jeter. Obviously. He does have the ability to turn around on a fastball though, so we'll see.

And what's the big deal about Gardner? He's an upgrade defensively and seriously, can he do any worse than Swisher? To beat Verlander, we may have to play a little small ball - so his bat control and speed may help.

And A-Rod may have decent numbers historically off of Verlander but his numbers against RH pitchers in this series are awful. He's not even putting balls in play against Anibel Sanchez!!!

Hopefully they'll put a few good innings together. If not, GO JETS!

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Ha, that was as generous as you could be, wasn't it? ;)

This should probably be added to the list:

Most Capable of Ignoring Horrible Smells: Yankees Fans
Wittiest and Best in Bed: Red Sox Fans
Angriest: Phillies Fans
Eternally Optimistic: Royals Fans

I was extremely generous to you! You're just being mean. :(

;)
 
Eh, If it's over after tomorrow night, I'll accept it. But, I'm not going to give up.

Nunez is a definite downgrade over Jeter. Obviously. He does have the ability to turn around on a fastball though, so we'll see.

And what's the big deal about Gardner? He's an upgrade defensively and seriously, can he do any worse than Swisher? To beat Verlander, we may have to play a little small ball - so his bat control and speed may help.

And A-Rod may have decent numbers historically off of Verlander but his numbers against RH pitchers in this series are awful. He's not even putting balls in play against Anibel Sanchez!!!

Hopefully they'll put a few good innings together. If not, GO JETS!

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I was extremely generous to you! You're just being mean. :(

;)
Gardner has not started since April. Not sure how effective he will be against the leagues best pitcher. And for every run Nunez scores he might give up 2 more with an error. I would take A-Rod at short who has not played the position in 9 years over Nunez.
 
Gardner has not started since April. Not sure how effective he will be against the leagues best pitcher. And for every run Nunez scores he might give up 2 more with an error.

Who knows how effective he'll be? But can he be any worse than Swish? He's lost out there, and frankly probably needs a game off. You know it's bad when you start complaining how mean the Bleacher Creatures are.

And yes, Nunez is an adventure. But this team needs to score runs to win. I'm not saying I think they'll win, but until they lose 4 there's always hope.
 
Who knows how effective he'll be? But can he be any worse than Swish? He's lost out there, and frankly probably needs a game off. You know it's bad when you start complaining how mean the Bleacher Creatures are.

And yes, Nunez is an adventure. But this team needs to score runs to win. I'm not saying I think they'll win, but until they lose 4 there's always hope.
I don't have faith in anyone on the team at this point. Not sure a tinkering this big in the lineup will help. I am fine with benching Swisher, hell he won't be on the team next year. But we are stuck with A-Rod for 5 more years. The team better learn to deal with him.
 
I agree that we disagree.

That being said, if there is any team that can beat the odds, it's the Yankees and the record will clearly show that. And if there are any players that can shut up naysayers like me it's the great talents of legends like Pettitte and Jeter.

Now to restate that he can play as long as he feels he can compete is a much more accurate statement!

You may be wrong and so may I, and maybe he could blow us all away and play until he's 49 or 50. I was reading he's 38 but looks 28 and I will at least agree with that. I just think if any position is a young man's position, it's ss.

In my opinion, he's the runaway top vote getter for all around best player of 90s/00s baseball. A lot more of the players are doing the moneyball thing and going for base hits and top hitters get that gap between 2nd and 3rd, Ichiro style. Next year, or the year after, if the Yankees want to keep him, put A-Rod at ss and Jeter somewhere else. Jeter, obviously, will be able to hit for at least "few" more years, maybe even more, but I don't see him continuing with the lightning speed modern shortstops need. That way, if there are any remaining records to be broken in the hitting department, then he can last well into his late-40s chasing those.

Did you seriously just propose putting A-Rod at shortstop? He is about an average fielding third baseman at this stage of his career, there's no way he could handle short.
 
Eh, If it's over after tomorrow night, I'll accept it. But, I'm not going to give up.

Of course it takes a woman to step up and keep the faith. The rest of you fail at it.

Moyank24 said:
Nunez is a definite downgrade over Jeter. Obviously. He does have the ability to turn around on a fastball though, so we'll see.

Offensively, absolutely. But not defensively. And with a tight game, it might have an impact. While he's not someone you can really replace, though maybe the guys will step up offensively.

Moyank24 said:
I was extremely generous to you! You're just being mean. :(

;)

I know, I swear I'm only teasing. :D See how nice I'm being?

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But we are stuck with A-Rod for 5 more years. The team better learn to deal with him.

My team may have done their level best to impersonate the Astros this season, but man I am glad we ended up missing out on acquiring him. I could imagine the Yankees cutting him before year 5 though, can't you?
 
Of course it takes a woman to step up and keep the faith. The rest of you fail at it.



Offensively, absolutely. But not defensively. And with a tight game, it might have an impact. While he's not someone you can really replace, though maybe the guys will step up offensively.



I know, I swear I'm only teasing. :D See how nice I'm being?

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My team may have done their level best to impersonate the Astros this season, but man I am glad we ended up missing out on acquiring him. I could imagine the Yankees cutting him before year 5 though, can't you?
25 mill for 5 years. The Yankees better hope that A-Rod retires.
 
Of course it takes a woman to step up and keep the faith. The rest of you fail at it.



Offensively, absolutely. But not defensively. And with a tight game, it might have an impact. While he's not someone you can really replace, though maybe the guys will step up offensively.



I know, I swear I'm only teasing. :D See how nice I'm being?


You are forgiven. :D


And do you know what we call Nunez when he plays SS? Eduardo Scissorhands. :eek:
 
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