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Well those in the thread who were feeling high and mighty about a boot loop now sound like idiots.

Apple-designed chips powering Macs, iPhones, and iPads contain two newly discovered vulnerabilities that leak credit card information, locations, and other sensitive data from the Chrome and Safari browsers as they visit sites such as iCloud Calendar, Google Maps, and Proton Mail.


The vulnerabilities, affecting the CPUs in later generations of Apple A- and M-series chip sets, open them to side channel attacks, a class of exploit that infers secrets by measuring manifestations such as timing, sound, and power consumption. Both side channels are the result of the chips’ use of speculative execution, a performance optimization that improves speed by predicting the control flow the CPUs should take and following that path, rather than the instruction order in the program.

I guess Apple Q&A is just completely terrible at the hardware and software level.

I could say that or I could say this is just part of dealing with all this technology and no one is perfect.
 
no one is perfect.
Especially garmin is the opposite from perfect. Unprofessional. Unreliable. And not only one time. From update to update. Always the same issues.
And selling watches with great battery life where you have to turn off all features to reach a 5 day battery life. Wow. Amazing 😂
 
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Are you and others seriously going to claim there have been no Apple bugs or issues that have caused their devices to go into a boot loop?

A basic Google search simply shows that not to be true.

Garmin responded to this in a couple hours. The non-corrupted file was uploaded to their server. A hard reboot and sync solved it. If a device had not started a GPS activity there was never a problem and it was updated in the background.

I’m sorry but I own tons of Apple gear and to claim they’ve never had a need for a quick security patch, that their devices can never experience a boot loop and that all their software comes out with zero issues is just pure trolling and a lie.
I don't remember an Apple bug that put in bootloop all updated apple devices ...
Garmin bug is not first world problem, but it shows a huge failure in software quality and testing.
 
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Well those in the thread who were feeling high and mighty about a boot loop now sound like idiots.



I guess Apple Q&A is just completely terrible at the hardware and software level.

I could say that or I could say this is just part of dealing with all this technology and no one is perfect.
You compare security issues that are impossible to avoid and a general bug you can discover by the most basic test (just use the watch for an activity) ?
Are you serious ?
 
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Especially garmin is the opposite from perfect. Unprofessional. Unreliable. And not only one time. From update to update. Always the same issues.
And selling watches with great battery life where you have to turn off all features to reach a 5 day battery life. Wow. Amazing 😂

You're welcome to show us the professional athletes using Apple Watches. I don't bring that up to knock Apple but for you to claim Garmin is unprofessional and unreliable when they're damn near the gold standard here is just a delusional take.

I don't remember an Apple bug that put in bootloop all updated apple devices ...
Garmin bug is not first world problem, but it shows a huge failure in software quality and testing.

An Apple Bug? Who knows which bug. A simple search show boot loops from imessage activation failure, iphone storage full and much more.

You compare security issues that are impossible to avoid and a general bug you can discover by the most basic test (just use the watch for an activity) ?
Are you serious ?

You are comparing a boot loop which was rectified in two hours and with a hard reset to a device to a company allowing a security exploit when they design both the hardware and the software and somehow not realizing this issue allows theft of private information including credit card information. To you somehow the former is the bigger problem.
 
That's how they became a 3.58 Trillion dollar company.

Here are some of the bugs addressed today in iOS 18.3 but that 3.58 trillion dollar company.

This update includes the following enhancements and bug fixes:


• Calculator repeats the last mathematical operation when you tap the equals sign again


• Fixes an issue where the keyboard might disappear when initiating a typed Siri request


• Resolves an issue where audio playback continues until the song ends even after closing Apple Music

Wow a calculator where if you hit the button again, it does the last operation again.

You keyboard might stop disappearing.

If you close Apple Music, the music will actually stop playing when you want it to stop.

Realize we are on 18.3... this is three iterations into iOS 18.

There might be some companies you can point at as the examples of people who put out bug free software. Apple is not one of them.
 
There might be some companies you can point at as the examples of people who put out bug free software. Apple is not one of them.

You are comparing the complexity of a product set the size Apple is producing with Garmin? (Sport watches, navigation devices, bike trainers)?

And nobody ever said that Apple is producing bug free software. No software is bug free.
 
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You are comparing the complexity of a product set the size Apple is producing with Garmin? (Sport watches, navigation devices, bike trainers)?

And nobody ever said that Apple is producing bug free software. No software is bug free.

You're trying to use that both ways. That "product set" just means when you can find a hundred different instances where Apple devices have gone into boot loops, you'll claim they all weren't just one specific bug.

I'm just the guy noting that when you use that tactic then it proves 100 different bugs across dozens of devices.

However if you want to stick to watches we can go back to that.

How is the native dive functionality working so far on the Ultra class watches. Has the $3.58 billion dollar company managed to have one of their thousand programmers create an OEM source for diving or do you still have to subscribe to Oceanic+ just to get your watch to use a native feature properly?
 
You're welcome to show us the professional athletes using Apple Watches. I don't bring that up to knock Apple but for you to claim Garmin is unprofessional and unreliable when they're damn near the gold standard here is just a delusional take.



An Apple Bug? Who knows which bug. A simple search show boot loops from iMessage activation failure, iPhone storage full and much more.



You are comparing a boot loop which was rectified in two hours and with a hard reset to a device to a company allowing a security exploit when they design both the hardware and the software and somehow not realizing this issue allows theft of private information including credit card information. To you somehow the former is the bigger problem.
The iPhone "storage full" is not a bug, and most iPhone thefts have security flaws from the USER, and from unlocked iPhones, and Los Angles Laker Anthony Davis uses one.
 
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Garmin is garbage. Especially they are lying in terms of battery life. And the software quality is the worst I‘ve ever seen. Their server outages (nearly every second week for HOURS) is not acceptable for a high price company.

Regarding pros and Apple Watches. I‘ve seen many pros and especially winners with Apple Watches. If you mean pros which are getting the Garmins for free because of sponsorship. Hell. Think about that why yourself. I am sure some day you will find out the root cause by yourself 😂🤣

And if you feel good to wear a bad product because of a pro is wearing a bad product you should think about yourself 😎
 
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You're trying to use that both ways. That "product set" just means when you can find a hundred different instances where Apple devices have gone into boot loops, you'll claim they all weren't just one specific bug.

I'm just the guy noting that when you use that tactic then it proves 100 different bugs across dozens of devices.

However if you want to stick to watches we can go back to that.

How is the native dive functionality working so far on the Ultra class watches. Has the $3.58 billion dollar company managed to have one of their thousand programmers create an OEM source for diving or do you still have to subscribe to Oceanic+ just to get your watch to use a native feature properly?
You can without ANY subscriptions or 3rd party apps, have the watch automatically open a depth sensor working up to 40 meters with the Ultra, or 6 meters on the series 10
 
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You can without ANY subscriptions or 3rd party apps, have the watch automatically open a depth sensor working up to 40 meters with the Ultra, or 6 meters on the series 10

Yes but depth sensor is not the same thing as proper activity profiles for snorkeling and diving.

When you buy an Apple Watch for running you want it to track the run, not track your steps as a step counter. If you needed a third party app because there was NO first party app then that company would be properly roasted in that area.

Apple should be absolutely roasted in the areas of diving, snorkeling, route plannng and mapping with navigation for activities like cycling, running, hiking, etc. They’ve had over a decade. We know they could buy Oceanic and likely even Garmin dozens of times over. It is a willful and unacceptable choice they have made. A watch advertised as being a dive computer but with no diving app. A watch advertised as being to help you hike, bike and so on but no proper support for routes with navigation.

I mean we could go on and sure some third party options are available but that doesn’t become an argument FOR apple but against Apple. If, for example ONE person can do all the work to make WorkOutdoors, Athlytic and others apps and Apple with their $3.5+ TRILLION dollars cannot make that happen, then it is a major failing and embarrassment.
 
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No. Because they have an AppStore. With real apps. Not an is fake store where you have to pay with PayPal 😂🤣. Back to 1980s.

And one comment about 3rd party options. There a so many of them with a quality higher than the integrated garmin apps. That’s great. Amazing.
 
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What a shame. Not acceptable at all.

Just had a look at this ConnectIQ Store.
This is a collection of thousands of mostly ugly watchfaces, data fields and some apps which I would not call apps. Trivial stuff we had in the Symbian S60 times way back in 2005.
I left the Garmin ecosystem 5 years ago and there was not much development obviously since. Only more watchfaces.
 
That’s exactly what I mean with 1980s. And the payment methods… no word. I think you have the to be a pro to understand the logic 😎🤣
 
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No. Because they have an AppStore. With real apps. Not an is fake store where you have to pay with PayPal 😂🤣. Back to 1980s.

And one comment about 3rd party options. There a so many of them with a quality higher than the integrated garmin apps. That’s great. Amazing.

I do not take this claim too seriously. Apple Watch development increasingly looks like it is being dropped. Many of the apps are tied to phone apps and of the few I've used, they are often terrible. The Audible app in particular should burn in hell for eternity it is so bad.

Garmin apps tend to focus on more music services, deep integration with websites that provide certain unique types of navigation, really unique or obscure sensors types, and yes a ton of customizable watch faces.

Just had a look at this ConnectIQ Store.
This is a collection of thousands of mostly ugly watchfaces, data fields and some apps which I would not call apps. Trivial stuff we had in the Symbian S60 times way back in 2005.
I left the Garmin ecosystem 5 years ago and there was not much development obviously since. Only more watchfaces.

How many Apple Watch applications allow you to install a proper third party watch face? How many Apple Watch threads talk about the desire for more watch faces or the desire to allow third party applications to add watch faces?

You call it trivial stuff but it clearly isn't trivial to the people using it.

That’s exactly what I mean with 1980s. And the payment methods… no word. I think you have the to be a pro to understand the logic 😎🤣

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Garmin has a native payment system and Apple has lots of lawsuits related to third party stores, companies complaining about their charges for hosting the apps being 30% and so on. Apple is often having to settle these lawsuits by allowing third party stores and payment methods.


That is a list of best Apple Watch apps. Let me summarize them quickly.

Here's 5-7 workout apps that try t make it easy to do what the native Apple app doesn't do. Here's also some golf apps since the Apple Watch doesn't do golf natively.

Here are more apps that duplicate Apple core apps that also are lacking. Audible, Overcast and Carrot Weather are examples of this.

Here's some weird desperate attempt to rationalize your watch like an odd game, tracking your mood, checking your streaks all which are just basically ways to punch in the same information as you would on your phone but now on your wrist!

Many also require SUBSCRIPTIONS rather than a one time payment. From a Garmin mindset it seems absurd to pay a monthly subscription fee to have your health data presented to you in some sort of understandable manner vs just tossed into health. It is ridiculous to need a subscription to dive, to snorkle, to golf, to hike, and so on in the vast majority of instances.

I don't want death by a thousand cuts. I'll take the ONE cut even if it is a thousand dollars to have a device that can do it all.

Does the Fenix 8 cost too much? I don't know. Does it cost too much if my Apple Watch won't access the cellular network in a foreign country when I want to purchase my day pass for Oceanic+ for my snorkeling or diving excursion I've booked? What's the cost then when it doesn't sort out?

Many of these "best apps" are just native features on Garmin Watches from diving. running, cycling strength and so on. In summary the best third party apps are just trying to do what Apple has failed to do and what Garmin has actually done as a first party.
 
I do not take this claim too seriously. Apple Watch development increasingly looks like it is being dropped. Many of the apps are tied to phone apps and of the few I've used, they are often terrible. The Audible app in particular should burn in hell for eternity it is so bad.

Garmin apps tend to focus on more music services, deep integration with websites that provide certain unique types of navigation, really unique or obscure sensors types, and yes a ton of customizable watch faces.



How many Apple Watch applications allow you to install a proper third party watch face? How many Apple Watch threads talk about the desire for more watch faces or the desire to allow third party applications to add watch faces?

You call it trivial stuff but it clearly isn't trivial to the people using it.



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Garmin has a native payment system and Apple has lots of lawsuits related to third party stores, companies complaining about their charges for hosting the apps being 30% and so on. Apple is often having to settle these lawsuits by allowing third party stores and payment methods.


That is a list of best Apple Watch apps. Let me summarize them quickly.

Here's 5-7 workout apps that try t make it easy to do what the native Apple app doesn't do. Here's also some golf apps since the Apple Watch doesn't do golf natively.

Here are more apps that duplicate Apple core apps that also are lacking. Audible, Overcast and Carrot Weather are examples of this.

Here's some weird desperate attempt to rationalize your watch like an odd game, tracking your mood, checking your streaks all which are just basically ways to punch in the same information as you would on your phone but now on your wrist!

Many also require SUBSCRIPTIONS rather than a one time payment. From a Garmin mindset it seems absurd to pay a monthly subscription fee to have your health data presented to you in some sort of understandable manner vs just tossed into health. It is ridiculous to need a subscription to dive, to snorkle, to golf, to hike, and so on in the vast majority of instances.

I don't want death by a thousand cuts. I'll take the ONE cut even if it is a thousand dollars to have a device that can do it all.

Does the Fenix 8 cost too much? I don't know. Does it cost too much if my Apple Watch won't access the cellular network in a foreign country when I want to purchase my day pass for Oceanic+ for my snorkeling or diving excursion I've booked? What's the cost then when it doesn't sort out?

Many of these "best apps" are just native features on Garmin Watches from diving. running, cycling strength and so on. In summary the best third party apps are just trying to do what Apple has failed to do and what Garmin has actually done as a first party.
Can you play chess or tic tac toe on a Garmin watch, what about voice isolation or more apps to support it? also clockology works perfectly fine, and that Mickey mouse watch face is DEFAULT to the AW, and you talk about one device for everything, but you are opposing to LITERALLY that.
 
Can you play chess or tic tac toe on a Garmin watch, what about voice isolation or more apps to support it? also clockology works perfectly fine, and that Mickey mouse watch face is DEFAULT to the AW, and you talk about one device for everything, but you are opposing to LITERALLY that.

According to the ConnectIQ store I did see two apps for TicTacToe and Chess.

I’ve no idea what the rest of that rant is supposed to address. I also won’t download either of those apps on my watch. I’ve no desire to play games on my watch.
 
Does the Fenix 8 cost too much?
Yes. Way too much for an inaccurate watch which cannot do a lot without a phone. All heart rate readings are far from reality. ECG. What a joke. Oxygen. Better turn it off because of inaccuracy and -battery life-. I can‘t even change the room without my phone: if so I will miss calls. What a joke watch.

Everthing is far better on the Apple Watch.

It always feel like 10 years back when using the garmin. If not 20. Nearly nothing has improved since forerunner 305. Even the GPS was better on that watch. 😎
 
Yes. Way too much for an inaccurate watch which cannot do a lot without a phone. All heart rate readings are far from reality. ECG. What a joke. Oxygen. Better turn it off because of inaccuracy and -battery life-. I can‘t even change the room without my phone: if so I will miss calls. What a joke watch.

Everthing is far better on the Apple Watch.

It always feel like 10 years back when using the garmin. If not 20. Nearly nothing has improved since forerunner 305. Even the GPS was better on that watch. 😎
I love the hate you have for Garmin. Keep it up! /s
 
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