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Ummmm, I think you are missing the point. Laws such as these ae there to protect the consumer. Companies cannot just put anything they want into products, think about food and the use of pesticides for example. It is important for the EU to regulate how companies act in some cases. Also, the amount of batteries that the population of Europe throw away on an annual basis is pretty worrying.... that's what the EU is trying to curb by forcing manufacturers to be more responsible.

If that's the case, then wouldn't Apple be ahead of the curve by keeping consumers from throwing away batteries by making them unremovable? If they pass laws that make phone companies to have removable batteries, then they're in turn making it easier to throw away batteries. Right?

Anyway, I think others have mentioned that it is evident this is a prototype phone. If they're testing out different batteries on a test device, it would be beneficial for them to make a phone that has the ability to replace an internal part, such as a battery, to test other parts.

On another note, I have a couple of questions; does anybody know what the "EVT" on the battery stand for? Also, is this battery similar in size to that of any current iPhone model?
 
2. Am I the only one who thinks that the important question is: Where are the actual 4G Networks ?

Ohhh my days... the 4G part does not refer to the network like the 3G did... apple only called it that to highlight the fact it supported 3G after people were whining about it.
the 4G part refers to 4th generation
 
If this is really what they give the masses for consumption, I think I'll go with a 3GS instead for my upgrade. Unless it has a whole bunch of new hardware features, in which case I guess I'd have to think it over... It's just so ugly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kdarling
We swap spare batteries all the time:
When my wife forgets to charge her phone and is going crazy leaving for work.
When we're on a camping trip, it's simple to take spare batteries.
After I spend all day on the phone and then want to go out all night. Just swap in a charged spare and I'm good to go.
After my daughter spends a long time using Slingplayer watching TV and my battery is about dead, I don't mind... just swap in a spare.
People without the ability to use a spare battery, often adjust their lifestyle to their phone. I believe the phone should adjust to mine.

Swappable batteries also make a phone more attractive to business usage, and they could be very handy if video calling gets popular.
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I completely appreciate the direction you're coming from however the wider society now needs to consider conserving energy and using those sources which can be reused. Our disposable attitude is in detriment to our planet as a whole. This purchasing of additional batteries goes against the grain of the common green/environmental argument surely.

With Apple staking the reputation of its products being considerably more green than those of the competition it seems a contradictory move to their green initiative. I believe that that the current protocol makes more sense than the ability to replace it as an when it suits the user. I’ve never had to purchase a spare battery for any mobile phone I've had in the past 20 years, never. Better battery technology is clearly the key in the longer term however accessibility to recharge most devices has never been better.

I care little about this and in fact the EU’s direction that all manufacturers should allow the battery compartment to be accessible is equally ridiculous. Copenhagen was a “?++@@” shambles whoever the aim was to reduce carbon emissions and increase the drive for renewable energy. Where does producing more batteries for devices come into this.

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You are not alone. I've owned approx 20 mobile phones in my life (combination of personally owned and work provided), and I've not needed to carry additional batteries for over 10 years thanks to the vastly increased capacities of newer batteries. Also, processors and a lot of the other silicon inside a phone, and the display, is moving towards lower power consumption. Just take a look at the vastly increased performance of MacBook Pro batteries to see how things are going.

I therefore believe the days of requiring a user changable battery are long gone. On the rare occasions that you need extended battery life, you can add external battery packs (including powered skins).

Seems like a backward step to me, but I suspect that if these images are in fact real, the unit is a pre-production trial unit and may therefore be useful for testing to have a user replaceable battery. Should this design make it through to a final product, I full expect it to be an enclosed battery.

Phil

Hallelujah! Someone who with precision cuts through the naff argument for accessible battery compartments. Awesome.

I agree however that the design that we are seeing is what it is, a prototype. Apple upon designing the first iPhone never disclosed the final design to AT&T until the very final stages. In addition we need to look at all the designs Apple has brought to their products;

Unibody Design for all Mac note books
Clean design with nominal viewable seams, iPhone 3G/S
Simple buttons that allow a number menu options
End to glass for their screens
Seamless bezels etc

The current iPhone design is a step forward from the original iPhone which was not as elegant as the current model, therefore for as many people have pointed out this would be a step backward rather than one forward. Apple is not a company that is likely to do the former.

Seriously, if this is about access to the battery compartment as well as SIM card access blah blah, then the simple removal of the back cover would suffice without compromising on design. Just add pressure springs so that you would need to push down and slide off to gain access. Thats not even difficult and the design can fundamentally remain the same.


There is one other important thing that people need to take note off, the current iPhone 3G/S design is a total winner. You only have to look as the number of companies that are literally copying the design. This could not be more complimentary to Apples execution/delivery of a beautifully well designed device with functions at the time of its release beat the competition pants down.

Imagine if you will the design team of the major phone manufacturers taking a glorious wacking to their bare a.... if you will with both cheeks burning red as executed by the CEO of those companies.

The protoype is is far too fussy, a seam here for this a seam there for that. Very unlike Apple to go in this direction and I somehow cannot see SJ or JI wanting to release a flagship product looking like a piece of @$$%$^^ crap which could not be differentiated from the competitor.

As for features, hey iChat on the fly bring it. Can’t wait. :apple:
 
Interesting. Oh, and I wish people would stop calling it ugly. It isn't. And the removable battery is a huge plus.
 
If that's the case, then wouldn't Apple be ahead of the curve by keeping consumers from throwing away batteries by making them unremovable? If they pass laws that make phone companies to have removable batteries, then they're in turn making it easier to throw away batteries. Right?

I think that allowing people to remove batteries can mean they are more likely to place them in dedicated recycling points for those types of bateries (you can't just drop in the entire phone). Though, having looked at Apple's website for more details on this, you can drop your phone off at an Apple Store for recycling if you so desire. Not cear if there is a service to submit your phone to Apple by freepost in the EU.
 
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Interesting. Oh, and I wish people would stop calling it ugly. It isn't. And the removable battery is a huge plus.

It is interesting and the removable battery may be a plus but this thing is ugly. It is a box with seams and buttons all over. There is nothing inspiring about this design. If it's released as is, one would think Ive had no influence over the design.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking prototype, at most. Maybe just a testbed for the 4G electronics so it can be tested 'incognito' in the wild. Same way unreleased cars are road tested:

only problem is, to be incognito, you wouldn't be stamping "iPhone" on the back casing... you would be wanting to conceal that tidbit so people are none the wiser.

I personally think these are fake, for a couple reasons.

1. the design is clunky. Apple goes out of it's way to innovate on design... industrial, minimalist design.

2. it is marked on the back as an iPhone. (see incognito reference)

3 Already is stamped with an FCC id and the FCC logo. a prototype would not have a certification, nor would Apple risk marking a non certified device.

4. This design may get away from their environmental mission statement. Aluminum / Glass = 100% recyclable. With a USER replaceable battery, this is a hard claim to make since they cannot control the LiIo battery disposal. Although, the early 2007 MBP had a replaceable battery AND made this claim, so, not a really strong argument point.
 
It looks like i had imagined. All glass front with no bezel...thank god. and as slim an aluminum case as possible. OK build quality on the back looks alittle bad...lets hope this improves in final production. It looks like all the other phones because there is only so much you can do without adding superfluous details.
 
Not too keen on the possibility of a removable battery. Who is really going to swap batteries?

Most interesting rumor weekend.

Exactly.... they said that the release mechanisms would take up space, so by making battery non-user removable, they can build bigger batteries which means more battery life. What would you like people? More battery life, or one that will die quicker that you can remove?
 
I don`t want an user-replacable battery. Whenever I see (almost daily) someone dropping their phone, the battery and the plastic back is flying on the other side of the room, and it is too funny. And stressful for the owner.

Although I don`t find this phone on the pics ugly, I don`t like the seams and I am worried about the feel of this phone in a hand - due to not having rounded edges. I like the current iPhone`s feel, it is the best!

Is it only me or does this phone look thicker than current iPhone? I wish someone would post the comparison pic of two of them together!

I wonder why the person who has this phone from the bar (ridiculous story btw!) didn`t make more pics with detailed analysis of the device. Who has it?? Maybe it just an Apple employee contacting with Engadget, making a controlled leak. But that bar story is just too funny and impossible. Did someone get high? ;)
 
Ohhh my days... the 4G part does not refer to the network like the 3G did... apple only called it that to highlight the fact it supported 3G after people were whining about it.
the 4G part refers to 4th generation

exactly... we have 2G and 3G iPod touches afterall... and they don't have a network plan

The 4G iPhone referring to the network 4G is a speculation that Apple is waiting until Verizon has 4G until it releases it on Verizon in 4G [network] form. (am I correct everyone?)
 
the more features it has that people have whined about for years the more i'm convinced this is a fake.

Removable Battery? Check
Removable flash memory? Check
Front/Rear Cameras? check
Ugly ass body? check

I can't see them doing a lot of these things, they go against 'The Steve Way'
 
I don`t want an user-replacable battery. Whenever I see (almost daily) someone dropping their phone, the battery and the plastic back is flying on the other side of the room, and it is too funny. And stressful for the owner.

Although I don`t find this phone on the pics ugly, I don`t like the seams and I am worried about the feel of this phone in a hand - due to not having rounded edges. I like the current iPhone`s feel, it is the best!

Is it only me or does this phone look thicker than current iPhone? I wish someone would post the comparison pic of two of them together!

I wonder why the person who has this phone from the bar (ridiculous story btw!) didn`t make more pics with detailed analysis of the device. Who has it?? Maybe it just an Apple employee contacting with Engadget, making a controlled leak. But that bar story is just too funny and impossible. Did someone get high? ;)

The battery in my enV Touch is replaceable, yet because of it, it moves away from the conductors so my phone is constantly turning off and on because the battery is sliding around. I vote no user-replaceable battery. What is the big deal if you can take it out, look at it, and put it back in? Just another thing to do when one is bored while waiting for a plane or something...
 
It is interesting and the removable battery may be a plus but this thing is ugly. It is a box with seams and buttons all over. There is nothing inspiring about this design. If it's released as is, one would think Ive had no influence over the design.

Disagree!

No one has ever made a phone with zero plastic in the outside shell. A totally glass, and aluminum enclosure would be a world first.

And why do people keep taking about a removable battery?
Does anyone seriously imagine that Apple would offer users a battery hatch. Where the hatch is a thin piece of metal holding the earphone socket, a rocker and two buttons on it?

If that panel were removable, it would afford access to the side of a battery which does not slide in sideways!

Not a chance.

C.
 
Teardown please...

I wish they would hurry up and give us a proper teardown... I just wanna know if it's got an A4 in it lol ;) It would also prove absolutely if it's an apple device or not...
 
Funny how this thread seems like a repeat of other threads where actual leaked photos were posted.

The following quotes are taken from a thread about the leaked iPhone 3G photos (which were real).

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/475554/

""i don't believe that they'll go with plastic, as
that would be a step backwards."

"I still think this is a fake leaked by apple in
their ingenious propaganda scheme in which
they attempt to fool all the rumor sites with
fake prototypes. Like said before, the move
from metal to plastic makes no sense. "

"If this was the real new iPhone, wouldn't
Apple have sent the take down letters
already?"

"That thing in the photo blows! I mean it really
does look like a piece of crap. It looks like a
possible Zune phone."

"Please, no no no no! That thing in the picture
is so ugly. I love the brushed metal back on the
current iPhone. Please, Apple, don't change
it!"

Ding ding ding!

FINALLY someone with a brain in this place!

Everyone here thinks they know everything. "This can't possibly be the new iphone, its too ugly!" "Apple has never done this before so there's no way it can be real!"

Please! You guys don't know jack squat! The thread and the replies about the leaked 3G photos is proof of that. The only thing that is sure, or fact here, is that no body knows what the next iphone will look like until it's officialy announced.

Nobody can say these photos can't possibly be the real thing just because it doesn't follow apple's usual designs. Designs change people, you can't keep doing the same thing forever!

"OMG, my beloved Apple who makes everything with rounded corners could NEVER make such a hideous beast with squared corners! How dare you Macrumors for posting THREE posts about this disgustingly obvious fake!

All you self proclaimed fake busters and apple design experts/geniuses, do yourselves a favor, shut up, and wait until June or you might wind up in a box of hillarious quotes just like the fools above
 
Ding ding ding!

FINALLY someone with a brain in this place!

Everyone here thinks they know everything. "This can't possibly be the new iphone, its too ugly!" "Apple has never done this before so there's no way it can be real!"

Please! You guys don't know jack squat! The thread and the replies about the leaked 3G photos is proof of that. The only thing that is sure, or fact here, is that no body knows what the next iphone will look like until it's officialy announced.

Nobody can say these photos can't possibly be the real thing just because it doesn't follow apple's usual designs. Designs change people, you can't keep doing the same thing forever!

"OMG, my beloved Apple who makes everything with rounded corners could NEVER make such a hideous beast with squared corners! How dare you Macrumors for posting THREE posts about this obviously disgusting fake!

All you self proclaimed fake busters and apple design experts/geniuses, do yourselves a favor, shut up, and wait until June or you might wind up in a box of hillarious quotes just like the fools above


Proving that this site is infested with morons doesn't prove anything about these images. They're garbage is what they are, and anyone with common sense can see it.

Bringing up the fact that EVERY new Apple product (not just the 3G) is followed by 500 posts from people barely paying attention in their mother's basement, isn't helpful or indicative.
 
Interesting. Oh, and I wish people would stop calling it ugly. It isn't. And the removable battery is a huge plus.

How is it a plus?

If it is via as shown in the photos, then;
1. the size of the battery is compromised, as you need to house the battery in a shell, then have mountings in the phone, connectors, etc, etc.
2. The usable space for a battery is reduced, making it a smaller battery than would otherwise be. Or to put this differently, it wouldn't last as long, and would therefore need changing regularly. Is it convenient for you to carry spare batteries (which in theory, should be in a case or have a terminal cap to prevent short-outs), to change batteries when out and about, etc? Not for me, I would rather have a battery that lasts longer and on the rare instances where I might need extended power, to carry an external battery source or powered skin?
3. Opening up any device to change batteries, allows dirt / dust into key areas, reducing reliability.
4. To change a battery, requires you to take it out of any wallet or case.
5. So you want to buy a device, buy additional batteries, and then in a couple of years time, when you want to upgrade the phone, you are left with spare batteries that won't find in your new device. So there is a chance that these batteries get wasted.
6. There is a move towards standard charging connectors and wireless (conductive) charging. That means you shouldn't be far away from a standard way of charging, even if it is via a small mini-USB to iPod dock converter.

I would much prefer Apple include a conductive loop and a mini-USB connector than supply a phone with user removable batteries.

I am hoping that the next iPhone meets my requirements as my N95 8GB is getting worn out (and no, I've never carried a spare battery for that either!). It it contains a user removable battery, it would be a negative on my list, and certainly not a positive!

Phil
 
Ceramic Back

A ceramic back? Something else to crack when we drop it....

I have several dental implants that are titanium and are connected to a bridge made from this same ceramic, zirconia. My dentist gave me one to test to see if I could break it. I could not. It has a hardness just under that of diamond. Kyocera knives are made of the same material and only need to be sharpened after a number of years.
 
Proving that this site is infested with morons doesn't prove anything about these images. They're garbage is what they are, and anyone with common sense can see it.

Bringing up the fact that EVERY new Apple product (not just the 3G) is followed by 500 posts from people barely paying attention in their mother's basement, isn't helpful or indicative.

Exactly. It doesn't prove anything about these images.

What it does show, is that people are fools for saying that because its so ugly or so different from apple's usual design, that it proves it can't be real.
 
It may be, it may not be. This could go both ways.

If it is, all the seams and removable battery ensure a single, unified design across both GSM and CDMA carriers. I don't know of many phones that have two different designs of the same model phone just for different carriers - internal guts may be different, but the exterior looks the same.

If it's not, then it's a prototype. I'd imagine most companies make several prototypes of their products before final production. Either that, or a very good Asian knockoff/shoop.
 
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