The Merged Hackintosh Thread

[nomar383]

Check out nomar383's build. Very impressive!

Thanks! I couldn't built my first one in a regular PC case

 

[Cave Man]

You guys all like OS X so much, that you maybe have forgotten the very reason OSX86 is even POSSIBLE: Apple migrated their platform over to Intel, due to Intel chips running cooler & faster than PPC.

Really? Apple no longer uses PPC chips? Gee, thanks for enlightening us.

The fact that you can run OSX86 on a "PeeCee" per se, is simply a convenience afforded to you by this fact; were it not for Intel processors being more efficient, you'd not even have this luxury.

Yeah, and we could all use our PPC Macs as supplemental heat sources in the winter.

Apple didn't do it to help hobbyists, it's just a side effect of the migration - do you honestly think they compiled their source against x86/x64 hardware JUST FOR HOBBYISTS?. If it were not for Apple and their sales of Macintoshes, Intel OR PPC, then NOONE would ever have compiled OS X against x86/x64.

They did it for their bottom line (just as I did a hackintosh for my bottom line).

I urge people to remind themselves of this fact, before installing/hacking to bits, a beautiful OS; you have this BECAUSE of research and development @ Apple mainly, not because of the OSX86 scene's intelligence.

And I paid my $129 for my copy of Leopard that's on my "Apple-branded" hackintosh.

Were it not for Macintosh sales, you'd be NONE the wiser. OSX86 exists due to Apple's decision to migrate - noone else has the source code!.

Don't forget that little thing called BSD UNIX. You know, GNU and all that.

Apple don't exist so that you can buy their OS cheaply, and then skip the purchase of the hardware;

If that's the case, then they shouldn't sell OS X without a computer to go with it.

this is analogous to walking into a cafe with your own sandwiches, and sitting down at a table, and munching your lunch without buying anything, and then walking out.

No, it's not, because I did buy something - a retail copy of Leopard. In addition, for dessert I had a slice of Aperture, a piece of iWork, and a dabble of Final Cut Express - sales of which Apple would have lost out on had I bought a Win-box instead.

You seem to think that if you lie enough, it will become the truth.

I am not one bit impressed with the "intelligence" of members of OSX86 - Apple have done ALL the hard work

You mean when they started OS X using BSD UNIX, which had been around for decades?

(and believe me it is VERY hard to port a whole platform to a new processor architecture!)

If they did it right, then it's not as tough as it might be. You just need to make sure your compilers handle the high-level language properly (in this case, objective C flavors).

- if you want to use it then do so, but remember that you ONLY DO SO DUE TO THE ONGOING SALES OF *REAL* MAC HARDWARE. If noone buys Macs, do you think they will continue developing OS X for you hobbyists?. Wake up, and see the REAL world.

Once again, and which you seem to have real difficulty grasping, in the REAL WORLD, there is no Mac that is suitable for my needs, other than the MP - and I don't need a $2500 server, just a personal computer thank you very much.

 

[unlokia]

Really? Apple no longer uses PPC chips? Gee, thanks for enlightening us.



Yeah, and we could all use our PPC Macs as supplemental heat sources in the winter.



They did it for their bottom line (just as I did a hackintosh for my bottom line).



And I paid my $129 for my copy of Leopard that's on my "Apple-branded" hackintosh.



Don't forget that little thing called BSD UNIX. You know, GNU and all that.



If that's the case, then they shouldn't sell OS X without a computer to go with it.



No, it's not, because I did buy something - a retail copy of Leopard. In addition, for dessert I had a slice of Aperture, a piece of iWork, and a dabble of Final Cut Express - sales of which Apple would have lost out on had I bought a Win-box instead.

You seem to think that if you lie enough, it will become the truth.



You mean when they started OS X using BSD UNIX, which had been around for decades?



If they did it right, then it's not as tough as it might be. You just need to make sure your compilers handle the high-level language properly (in this case, objective C flavors).



Once again, and which you seem to have real difficulty grasping, in the REAL WORLD, there is no Mac that is suitable for my needs, other than the MP - and I don't need a $2500 server, just a personal computer thank you very much.

You either REALLY don't understand, or choose not to for personal one-upmanship. Either way, you know the ACTUAL truth will become visible to you, at some point sooner or probably a lot later.

If that's the case, then they shouldn't sell OS X without a computer to go with it.

Sorry but you seem to have missed the EULA...

And I paid my $129 for my copy of Leopard that's on my "Apple-branded" hackintosh.

...and you continue to dilude yourself...

Don't forget that little thing called BSD UNIX. You know, GNU and all that.

Which constitutes PORTIONS of OS X, not the OS in it's entirity. You don't have the right to copy someone's textual works, simply because you use the word "and" or "yes" in your sentences, simply because these words are free and non-owned by any one person or entity. If you copy my patent design for a metal bolt, you can't wriggle out of a lawsuit because you pipe up: "Oh but it contains IRON, and IRON is natural and free".

You either pretend to be an ignoramus for your own self-justifications, or actually are one. You may just be a complete twit on the other hand, which is rather more likely.

PS: my favourite:

If they did it right, then it's not as tough as it might be. You just need to make sure your compilers handle the high-level language properly (in this case, objective C flavors).

Could you wish to be ANY MORE vague, than "not as tough as it might be..."

It's pretty tough if you're not in posession of the source code, my dear chappy.


You have YOUR opinions, and I have MINE. Doesn't make either one of us any better than the other. I suggest you type:

define: forum

into Google, and discover the meaning of why we are here; OPEN DISCUSSION. You can keep up the futile strain of twisting everything around to make you look as if you are running a Mac, but when it boils down it, you ain't. I never said that made you a bad person, but CERTAINLY you project the image that you are a highly ignorant, and possibly diluded one.

 

[Sesshi]

Incidentally, I'm curious...

Why do we have one giant, hard-to-search merged Hackintosh thread instead of the countless separate threads effectively espousing the same level of EULA violation on the Microsoft side in a separate Windows on the Mac subforum?

 

[Cave Man]

Sorry but you seem to have missed the EULA...

No, I know all about the EULA. Perhaps you should brush up on such things yourself; or are you a contract lawyer?

...and you continue to dilude yourself...

Uh, yeah. Right...

Which constitutes PORTIONS of OS X, not the OS in it's entirity. You don't have the right to copy someone's textual works, simply because you use the word "and" or "yes" in your sentences,

I didn't copy Leopard, I bought it. Got it?

You either pretend to be an ignoramus for your own self-justifications, or actually are one. You may just be a complete twit on the other hand, which is rather more likely.

Maybe I am. But at least I'm not a liar.

Could you wish to be ANY MORE vague, than "not as tough as it might be..." It's pretty tough if you're not in posession of the source code, my dear chappy.

Let's make it easier for you, since you don't seem to get it. Migrating across architectures requires a cross-compiler. You were talking about moving from PPC to Intel, remember? If you have the code in a suitable high-level language (which UNIX is - C language and its descendants), then all you need to do is keep flags in the code to tell the compiler which binary target you want. Apple uses C++ for their coding for a good reason.

You have YOUR opinions, and I have MINE. Doesn't make either one of us any better than the other. I suggest you type:

define: forum

into Google, and discover the meaning of why we are here; OPEN DISCUSSION.

But your opinions are largely uninformed. You can opine the Earth is flat, but you'd be wrong.

You can keep up the futile strain of twisting everything around to make you look as if you are running a Mac, but when it boils down it, you ain't.

I run three Macs and one Hac. I've never said anything to the contrary. You makin' things up again?

I never said that made you a bad person,

But apparently a twit and/or ignoramus, right?

but CERTAINLY you project the image that you are a highly ignorant, and possibly diluded one.

Yeah, they hand out PhDs in molecular biology to just anyone.

 

[unlokia]

I didn't copy Leopard, I bought it. Got it?

Lol @ "got it?"

Try reading back, from your reference to the GNU and BSD. You seem to have missed the point rather significantly, Mr PHD.

Fact: having a piece of paper stating that you have a PHD, does not automatically qualify you as some kind of genius... if you have to parade your PHD around, you're surely not as "clever" as you like to imagine. You also NEED THE SOURCE CODE, TO CROSS COMPILE. Have you seen derivatives of OS X, other than reverse-engineered and "hacked" ones, which were created following the same procedure you described, WITHOUT source?. Nope - that's what I thought.

Maybe I am. But at least I'm not a liar.

How old are you again?... 12?. "But at least..."


If that's your ONLY defense, then it's a rather weak one.

 

[localoid]

Incidentally, I'm curious...

Why do we have one giant, hard-to-search merged Hackintosh thread instead of the countless separate threads effectively espousing the same level of EULA violation on the Microsoft side in a separate Windows on the Mac subforum?

Not to mention iPhone/touch hacking. But at any rate -- here (below) is Arn's posting from the thread, Questions on Hackintoshes.

These issues have been revisited lately, and the decision has been to not police EULA violations specifically. EULA agreements are (theoretically) between the end user and the company. I don't see why MacRumors should be involved.

The problem with hackintosh talk is that historically it's been hand-in-hand with Mac OS X piracy. Frequently links and sites that promote it also link directly to or provide other instructions on how to illegally obtain Mac OS X. This blurry line has been why hackintosh discussion tends to get shut down.

The MacRumors culture also tends to frown upon the EULA violation that is the installation of Mac OS X on non Apple hardware. As a result, threads frequently get derailed when this discussion arisies, again causing threads to get closed

iPhone and iPod touch hacking do fall under the EULA violation, but is not illegal, in the usual sense of the word. There are also many legal 3rd party applications that can be installed with the hacking procedure. However, downloading copyrighted Apple applications (such as Mail, Maps etc...) is illegal and we should not allow links to those downloads to persist.

Hope that clarifies.

 

[nomar383]

Lol @ "got it?"

Try reading back, from your reference to the GNU and BSD. You seem to have missed the point rather significantly, Mr PHD.

Fact: having a piece of paper stating that you have a PHD, does not automatically qualify you as some kind of genius... if you have the parade your PHD around, you're surely not as "clever" as you like to imagine. You also NEED THE SOURCE CODE, TO CROSS COMPILE. Have you seen derivatives of OS X, other than reverse-engineered and "hacked" ones, which were created following the same procedure you desribed?. Nope - that's what I thought.



How old are you again?... 12?. "But at least..."


If that's your ONLY defense, then it's a rather weak one.

wtf are you talking about?

He never claimed that the OSx86 scene cross-compiled, re-compiled, or anything near that. He said Apple cross-compiled OS X to be compatible with intel. All the OSx86 scene did was crack the security that prevents third party hardware.

BTW, personal insults get you nowhere.

 

[dukebound85]

wtf are you talking about?

He never claimed that the OSx86 scene cross-compiled, re-compiled, or anything near that. He said Apple cross-compiled OS X to be compatible with intel. All the OSx86 scene did was crack the security that prevents third party hardware.

BTW, personal insults get you nowhere.

agreed

 

[localoid]

If it walks like a troll and quacks like a troll, you can be reasonably sure it is a troll.

 

[unlokia]

Tin pot thread... bye bye

wtf are you talking about?

BTW, personal insults get you nowhere.

...says the guy who is trying to make "wtf" NOT sound like "what the f*ck", which is a blatent PERSONAL insult.

Oh hypocracy what would we do without you?...

 

[Donar]

If it walks like a troll and quacks like a troll, you can be reasonably sure it is a troll.

But maybe it is a sheep in a trollskin.

 

[nomar383]

Tin pot thread... bye bye



...says the guy who is trying to make "wtf" NOT sound like "what the f*ck", which is a blatent PERSONAL insult.

Oh hypocracy what would we do without you?...

I wasn't insulting you personally.

 

[DoFoT9]

1. Tin pot thread... bye bye



2. ...says the guy who is trying to make "wtf" NOT sound like "what the f*ck", which is a blatent PERSONAL insult.

Oh hypocracy what would we do without you?...

1. youd be the main cause if it were to go down the drain, thanks . not that i needed the thread or anything.

2. wtf isnt a personal insult if i were to say f'ck off, or something similar that would be a cue to shutup or leave... anyways..stop blabbing on about what we dont care about. all we care about is checking out peoples hackintosh's and getting more ideas about how we can better our own, so you know... who cares??

Wishful thinking.

thankyou

 

[Sesshi]

Not to mention iPhone/touch hacking. But at any rate -- here (below) is Arn's posting from the thread, Questions on Hackintoshes.

Re: Piracy, it would practically have been at the Tiger stage, but not with Leopard.

Also by the same token, it is fair to practically assume - based on the numbers of questions about it - that Windows installation on a consumer-use Macintosh involves piracy (and even if actually paid for, would very likely usually infringe the EULA as pointed out before - and I also make no judgements on that point, since many EULAs are simply practically unenforceable).

Not that the commonly-observed Mac enthusiast is immune to large amounts of self-induced hypocrisy, but perhaps it is time to revise the rules and end the double standard one way or another.

 

[Donar]

It is really funny: 80% of (older) used Apple hardware on ebay is sold with a "try out version" of a OSX Version it did not ship with. Everybody and his pet dog is jailbreaking his iphone (breaking the EULA) and nobody bothers with it. But on H4ck1nt0sh threads there are always concerns about piracy and EULA breaking.

 

[DoFoT9]

It is really funny: 80% of (older) used Apple hardware on ebay is sold with a "try out version" of a OSX Version it did not ship with. Everybody and his pet dog is jailbreaking his iphone (breaking the EULA) and nobody bothers with it. But on H4ck1nt0sh threads there are always concerns about piracy and EULA breaking.

i wonder if apple would mind that people are selling these "try out versions". most of the ebay machines i bet are older operating systems, such as tiger and jaguar. however there still would be a few leopards!!! technically the computer has already been bought, so im guesing that its somewhat legal.

what sells more iphones or macs??

what gets hacked more iphones(jailbroken) or macs (hackintoshes).. i dare say that neither would impact greatly on apples uuhh.. revenue..

 

[MacUser2525]

what sells more iphones or macs??

what gets hacked more iphones(jailbroken) or macs (hackintoshes).. i dare say that neither would impact greatly on apples uuhh.. revenue..

iPhones by now for both questions and if you don't think that the iPhone hacking cost Apple money... they were off the originals getting in the hundreds of dollars per phone in revenue sharing not sure how this new batch works but if it is $200 per phone per year at 10,000,000 phones a year that is $2,000,000,000 a year down the drain if all are hacked. This is trivial compared to a hack as most people running them will never pony up the money for an Apple machine, others like me will buy the OS and other software to run on them at least hell they even get some extra benefit because there are some that go on to buy a real Mac that never would have done so. The iPod outsells everything by volume according to the quarterly report press release if your curious.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/22results.html

 

[Donar]

...i wonder if apple would mind that people are selling these "try out versions". most of the ebay machines i bet are older operating systems, such as tiger and jaguar. however there still would be a few leopards!!! technically the computer has already been bought, so im guesing that its somewhat legal.

But you have to buy every new version of OSX... The machines i have seen originally came with 10.2 or 10.3 so it seems people upgraded them to 10.4 via the pirate bay and sell them on ebay with a pirated version of OSX as "try out version".

 

[DoFoT9]

can anyone explain to me why my 8500GT recognises that i have my DVI-VGA converter in yet it wont actually give output on the monitor??

i can remote login to the computer and see both screens.. its a tad confusing

and yes the monitor is on lol.

im guessing the GPU can't 'take' the DVI-VGA converter for some absurd reason? last time i tried this on xp it wouldnt work for me either

 

[unlokia]

can anyone explain to me why my 8500GT recognises that i have my DVI-VGA converter in yet it wont actually give output on the monitor??

i can remote login to the computer and see both screens.. its a tad confusing

and yes the monitor is on lol.

im guessing the GPU can't 'take' the DVI-VGA converter for some absurd reason? last time i tried this on xp it wouldnt work for me either

Lovin' the environment killing, back straining CRTs dude . Seriously though; did you know LCDs use ONE THIRD of the power, and are about 1/8th the weight of a CRT?!.

 

[DoFoT9]

yea you better take that back. i did see it.

im building this because i have a PC lying around! its doing **** all and i thought it would be fun to try something new!!

or arent i allowed to do that??

 

[unlokia]

yea you better take that back. i did see it.

im building this because i have a PC lying around! its doing **** all and i thought it would be fun to try something new!!

or arent i allowed to do that??

Sorry - am I not allowed to smile now, either?...

READ my last post - it was friendly!.

 

[nomar383]

Can everyone grow up for about 5 seconds? Thanks lol

 

[unlokia]

Can everyone grow up for about 5 seconds? Thanks lol

Ok... 5 secs has now officially passed...