The Merged Hackintosh Thread

[kabunaru]

An analogy to me when it comes to a Hackintosh:
Hackintosh: American English

Macintosh: British English

or vice versa.

Both can work.

 

[Cave Man]

I did some research comparing two equivalent systems:

<snip specs>

a 8 core pc server.
maybe the mac pro is not so bad after all when you compare it to a hackintosh of similar performance.

Few people build 8-core hackintoshes because those mobo and chips are all server grade and, as you have found out, end up costing about the same as an 8-core MP.

I really don't want to get a quad core even if there are large savings.

Nor would I if I had wanted an 8-core machine. I would have bought a MP. But I certainly would not buy a single processor 4-core MP. I don't need server-grade components.

Well... yeah - that's what people seem to conveniently "forget" when they rant on about how Macs are overpriced; the truth is... that is SO far removed from the truth, when the TCO is broken down (that requires a brain , and they seem to be in short supply!) that it's laughable.

We don't "conveniently" forget. We know all about the prices. The vast majority of hackintosh builders are those who need a computer that Apple doesn't build. Plain and simple. But you just don't seem to get it. How convenient for you.

 

[DoFoT9]

1.Few people build 8-core hackintoshes because those mobo and chips are all server grade and, as you have found out, end up costing about the same as an 8-core MP.

2.Nor would I if I had wanted an 8-core machine. I would have bought a MP. But I certainly would not buy a single processor 4-core MP. I don't need server-grade components.

3.We don't "conveniently" forget. We know all about the prices. The vast majority of hackintosh builders are those who need a computer that Apple doesn't build. Plain and simple. But you just don't seem to get it. How convenient for you.

1. quite expensive!! once you look at it that way the MP looks very nice. comes with leopard aswell so you cant look twice

2. the 4 core wouldnt even be worth it, if you are going to pay a large amount for a quality computer it may aswell be something that is going to last for a good 5-10years and still be a powerhouse.

3. the people that conveniently forget are those apple 'blasters' and haters that don't know what they are on about, not us quality mac users .

 

[Andrmgic]

I used to have a hackintosh before I bought my first mac.

I had tiger running on my AMD system for several months with my X1900XT.. I'm going to be setting up another one soon... on my Acer Aspire One netbook after I add a hdd to replace the SSD and put in more ram.

I'd still like an iMac to go upstairs, though.. I like to keep everything around.. a windows machine and an OS X machine

 

[KítscheñÇinqµe]

I remember when my Tandy 64k RAM Color Computer with a cassette recorder was considered state of the art. Things sure have changed...

that model was hot! I was stuck with the 8track jobbie.
oh yeah, it was too expensive to upgrade that Tandy tape "drive" to dat.

 

[macrem]

Well... yeah - that's what people seem to conveniently "forget" when they rant on about how Macs are overpriced; the truth is... that is SO far removed from the truth, when the TCO is broken down (that requires a brain , and they seem to be in short supply!) that it's laughable. I like PCs and I love learning about recent developments/ram/processors/gfx cards etc, but when they say that "Macs are overpriced" I just got one thing to say, and it comes from a pony's backside....

TCO, did you say TCO: don't get me started

If as an employee I have to wait 15-30 minutes for Outlook to load email in the morning, there goes the hardware cost difference theories, real or perceived, right there before any real work begins. One would have to be a Windows fanboy to disagree

 

[localoid]

The vast majority of hackintosh builders are those who need a computer that Apple doesn't build. ...

That's the point some seem to miss. An "all in one" iMac doesn't appeal to everyone and there's nothing between the mini and the Mac Pro.

 

[maccompaq]

That's the point some seem to miss. An "all in one" iMac doesn't appeal to everyone and there's nothing between the mini and the Mac Pro.

Exactly! I have a lot of Macs, but have been waiting for a Mac tower that has desktop components, not a Mac Pro. Tired of waiting, I built a Hackintosh, and I am very pleased with it. It does everything I want it to, and I do not have to buy Applecare, because I can fix any problem, if one occurs.

 

[unlokia]

TCO, did you say TCO: don't get me started

If as an employee I have to wait 15-30 minutes for Outlook to load email in the morning, there goes the hardware cost difference theories, real or perceived, right there before any real work begins. One would have to be a Windows fanboy to disagree

Try telling people that. Oh well, please let's not start a rather predictable OS war; we all know NOONE will "win" it, and it's really a rather waste of keystrokes to be honest. We all knows Macs are worth the money, but you always seem to find a defiant minority who will complain about price and whine about value... blah blah flippin blah... and so... if you watch closely after this post, you are going to see certain individuals who just WILL NOT be able to resist attempting to convince us that Macs are bad value for money, and that a generic x86 platform can do the same thing etc... which perhaps we DID already know, but they will propogate this opinion to us as if we are ALL complete morons & know nothing about the inner workings of computers!

Ah well - not to worry hey - too much time to tinker about and not enough time to work, is probably the VERY REASON they cannot afford a real Mac with real support.

 

[richard.mac]

I did some research comparing two equivalent systems:

a 8 core pc server.

Intel Workstation Chassis SC5299-E (WS) w/ 670-Watt PFC PowerSupply$269.95

Intel Quad-Core Xeon® Processor E5440 2.83GHz (2U Passive) w/ 2x6MB Cache $829.95 * 2 = $1,659.90

Intel Server Board S5000VSA (SATAR) $429.95

Kingston ValueRAM 2GB PC2-6400 DDR2 ECC FBDIMM CL5 Kit (2 x 1GB) $114.95

Hitachi 500GB Deskstar T7K500 SATA II w/ 16MB Cach $79.95

LG Super Multi Security DVD Writer 20x20x12x, SATA w/ Lightscribe $32.95

Asus EAH2600PRO 256MB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDTV-Out $69.95

AuzenTech HDA X-Plosion 7.1 DTS Connect $89.95

D-Link GigaExpress 10/100/1000Mbps PCI Gigabit Ethernet Adapter $29.95

for a total of $2,867.50

a 8 core mac pro with developer discount.



maybe the mac pro is not so bad after all when you compare it to a hackintosh of similar performance.

I really don't want to get a quad core even if there are large savings. A quad core pc with 8gb of ram and etc(...) would be around 1k. But it's performance is far less than a 8 core mac pro or hackintosh, obviously.

I'm definitely going to get a pro. Apple has me by the nuts again. lol

actually your 8 core pc server needs a 1000W PSU a few more components to match the Mac Pro like 2x socket 771 heatsink + fan, Mac OS X Leopard, iLife '08, Firewire 800 + 400 PCIe card, bluetooth dongle, keyboard & mouse which will add another say, $390

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6184523/

but the point still remains valid .

 

[nomar383]

Does Transmission lock-up anyone else's computer? I think it overheats my poor thing.

 

[unlokia]

Does Transmission lock-up anyone else's computer? I think it overheats my poor thing.

Doesn't lock up my computer, nope.

 

[MacUser2525]

Does Transmission lock-up anyone else's computer? I think it overheats my poor thing.

Never had a problem with it and never seen it use a lot of resources cpu wise perhaps it is a bad network card/driver for it causing the problem.

 

[taylorwilsdon]

Never had a problem with it and never seen it use a lot of resources cpu wise perhaps it is a bad network card/driver for it causing the problem.

Indeed. Transmission is a lightweight app so if its causing overheating, then you've got a problem.

 

[nomar383]

Well it might not be Transmission then, but my rig gets frikin hot and I'm not sure how to keep it cool with my case

 

[maccompaq]

Does Transmission lock-up anyone else's computer? I think it overheats my poor thing.

My Hackintosh handles Transmission just fine.
Which computer are you using?

 

[nomar383]

My Hackintosh handles Transmission just fine.
Which computer are you using?

Look at the link in my sig, it's the custom one

Now I'm beginning to think it's not Transmission, but it does get awful hot

 

[maccompaq]

Look at the link in my sig, it's the custom one

Now I'm beginning to think it's not Transmission, but it does get awful hot

That G4 case was not designed to cool such a high powered processor. Might not hurt to add more fans.

 

[Donar]

...
maybe the mac pro is not so bad after all when you compare it to a hackintosh of similar performance.

This is very true for the 8 Core version, the 4 Core MacPro is somehow a waste of money. You would have expensive components like Dual CPU capable Workstation MoBo, server grade Ram (FBDIMM) and CPU (Xeon) and would not use it's benefits. As all i wanted was a Quadcore - H4ck1nt0sh was the way to go saved me about 800€.

If Apple releases a "consumer tower" instead of a crippled Workstation (4 Core Mac Pro) or all in one, as "prosumer" solution i would be really interested in it.

 

[MacUser2525]

That G4 case was not designed to cool such a high powered processor. Might not hurt to add more fans.

Indeed with my FW800 dual g4 I put two 60mm fans in the back of the case behind the copper heat sink to suck the air out of the case that got me a ~8C drop in the cpu temps. Unfortunately it does not look like that case has the grill there that mine does seems to have room to put the 120mm that is in front the heat sink in mine in it though.

 

[maccompaq]

Indeed with my FW800 dual g4 I put two 60mm fans in the back of the case behind the copper heat sink to suck the air out of the case that got me a ~8C drop in the cpu temps. Unfortunately it does not look like that case has the grill there that mine does seems to have room to put the 120mm that is in front the heat sink in mine in it though.

I just checked one of my Mac towers like that one, and I really do not see a way to add more fans. I had not checked when I made my earlier post.

That is why I like big towers that use 120mm fans.

 

[nomar383]

I just checked one of my Mac towers like that one, and I really do not see a way to add more fans. I had not checked when I made my earlier post.

That is why I like big towers that use 120mm fans.

how effective would water-cooling be?

 

[maccompaq]

how effective would water-cooling be?

Not a bad idea since you have no other option to cool the computer in the tight confines of the G4 case. I know you put a lot of work into that Hack, but it would be a shame to burn up the mobo because of poor cooling.

 

[unlokia]

Water cooling is a primitive solution in any computer, and a backward step. Why would you want to get your computer THAT hot anyhow?. I don't see any water cooled Macs, and they seem to be FLIPPING powerful. If a Mac can run *XEON* air cooled, then the PC market is doing something SERIOUSLY badly.

If you can't afford a faster processor, then why would you introduce water - the ENEMY of anything electrical, into your already complex equation?. You're gonna have to go and buy a whole new kit of parts when that hose clip slips off or the pump springs a leak; how very short sighted people are. Spend the money you need on the speed you need, and be happy with what you have.

 

[localoid]

That G4 case was not designed to cool such a high powered processor. Might not hurt to add more fans.

I'm running a E7200 (2.53 GHz) currently overclocked to 3.3 GHz in a microATX tower case that has one 90mm fan and the CPU's temperature never goes above 45 degrees Celsius under heavy load and it idles at 42 (C). At stock speed it idles at 41 (C). However, the stock (POS) Intel CPU cooler immediately went in the trash and was replaced by a $20 cooler with a copper base, installed with Arctic Silver 5. The microATX case is actually a little smaller than the G4 case.