The Merged Hackintosh Thread

[maccompaq]

I'm running a E7200 (2.53 GHz) currently overclocked to 3.3 GHz in a microATX tower case that has one 90mm fan and the CPU's temperature never goes above 45 degrees Celsius under heavy load and it idles at 42 (C). At stock speed it idles at 41 (C). However, the stock (POS) Intel CPU cooler immediately went in the trash and was replaced by a $20 cooler with a copper base, installed with Arctic Silver 5. The microATX case is actually a little smaller than the G4 case.

If you look inside a G4 case, you will see that the case was not designed to move a lot of air. The G4 case is better suited to an Atom Hackintosh.

 

[localoid]

If you look inside a G4 case, you will see that the case was not designed to move a lot of air. The G4 case is better suited to an Atom Hackintosh.

CPUs are cooled by CPU coolers, not by case fans. The stock Intel CPU cooler is a POS with a waxy something on the bottom that doesn't make for effective heat transfer. I've seen guys trying to cool their system with a 20" window fan. It's a waste of time...

 

[dukebound85]

CPUs are cooled by CPU coolers, not by case fans. The stock Intel CPU cooler is a POS with a waxy something that doesn't make for effective heat transfer. I've seen guys trying to cool their system with a 20" window fan. It's a waste of time...

thats the funniest thing ive read all day.

ok you know that the lowest temp a cpu can reach on air cooling is the ambient temp right?

so if the case is not moving any air (or not enough) the temperature in the case will keep getting higher (aka now the ambient temp in the case) and the cpu will be getting hotter

an aircooling cpu cooler is ONLY as good as the exchange of air in the case PERIOD.

i mean, ask yourself why there are case fans at all?

im not saying the cpu cooler is not important but you have to have a decent temp gradient between the cpu and the ambient air for it to do any good. now if you have good case flow yet cpu temps are high, then you worry about getting the cpu cooler fixed (such as having a better conductive surface between the cpu and the cooler for example)

 

[localoid]

thats the funniest thing ive read all day.

ok you know that the lowest temp a cpu can reach on air cooling is the ambient temp right?

so if the case is not moving any air (or not enough) the temperature in the case will keep getting higher (aka now the ambient temp in the case) and the cpu will be getting hotter

an aircooling cpu cooler is ONLY as good as the exchange of air in the case PERIOD.

i mean, ask yourself why there are case fans at all?

im not saying the cpu cooler is not important but you have to have a decent temp gradient between the cpu and the ambient air for it to do any good. now if you have good case flow yet cpu temps are high, then you worry about getting the cpu cooler fixed (such as having a better conductive surface between the cpu and the cooler for example)

You missed the point. Completely missed it. The most effective cooling for a CPU comes from the CPU cooler. If the CPU cooler isn't effective, you can go the 20" window fan route and it won't help more than a couple degrees (C) at best.

He's got the stock Intel fan probably installed with the stock waxy crap on the bottom. It's a no-brainer. Attack the real cause of the problem, instead of just randomly adding fans and hoping the problem is solved by magick.

 

[dukebound85]

You missed the point. Completely missed it. The most effective cooling for a CPU comes from the CPU cooler. If the CPU cooler isn't effective, you can go the 20" window fan route and it won't help more than a couple degrees (C) at best.

He's got the stock Intel fan probably installed with the stock waxy crap on the bottom. It's a no-brainer. Attack the real cause of the problem, instead of just randomly adding fans and hoping the problem is solved by magick.

lol ok believe what you want


if the ambient air is 70 deg C, no cpu cooler (on air) will be able to bring the cpu temp near or lower than 70 deg C no matter how hard you try. do you really not see this point?

your first sentence is ONLY true if the case has adquate air flow in it. if it did, id agree and go after the cpu cooler. but if you look at the end of my previous post, i already said that (see below)

im not saying the cpu cooler is not important but you have to have a decent temp gradient between the cpu and the ambient air for it to do any good. now if you have good case flow yet cpu temps are high, then you worry about getting the cpu cooler fixed (such as having a better conductive surface between the cpu and the cooler for example)

 

[nomar383]

You missed the point. Completely missed it. The most effective cooling for a CPU comes from the CPU cooler. If the CPU cooler isn't effective, you can go the 20" window fan route and it won't help more than a couple degrees (C) at best.

He's got the stock Intel fan probably installed with the stock waxy crap on the bottom. It's a no-brainer. Attack the real cause of the problem, instead of just randomly adding fans and hoping the problem is solved by magick.

You think replacing the stock CPU cooler will help more than adding a fan to the top or a PCI-Fan? Interesting. I am willing to try it, if anyone thinks it will truly help

 

[localoid]

lol ok believe what you want

Unplug your CPU cooler fan and see how well your case fans can cool the CPU. Passive CPU coolers are huge for a reason...

if the ambient air is 70 deg C, no cpu cooler (on air) will be able to bring the cpu temp near or lower than 70 deg C no matter how hard you try. do you really not see this point?

If your ambient air you're breathing is 70 degree Celsius (158 degrees F) then that's a real problem.

 

[dukebound85]

Unplug your CPU cooler fan and see how well your case fans can cool the CPU.

now you are missing my point. completely. unplug your case fans and see how well the cpu cooler cools the cpu


ever wonder how ovens work? funny thing, you have this heating element (aka a cpu) and no airflow. and you know what? the temp rises! only when you get airflow will the ambient temp go down and then you worry about the cooling fan on the cpu

if you dont solve the ambient air temp, there is NO WAY you can diagnose a bad cooling fan. please try to wrap your head around that concept

 

[dukebound85]

If your ambient air you're breathing is 70 degree Celsius (158 degrees F) then that's a real problem.

im trying to illustrate a point

 

[localoid]

im trying to illustrate a point

Yeah I know... I'm joking, but I knew guys back in the 80s that were literally heating their room in January with the heat from dozens of PCs running a multi-line BBS.

I'd imagine the old G4 CPU/CPUs ran at temperatures much higher than the 40-50 C that today's Intel CPUs are running. They run really cool compared to older teck, etc. So I don't quickly buy into the theory that air flow is the (real) problem. The stock power supply and case fan on the G4 case managed to move enough exhaust off the hotter (than the Intel) PPC CPUs... etc. If his case temperatures are high then it's likely coming from a CPU that's overheating because it isn't able to effectively transfer heat via the CPU heatsink/fan, etc.

 

[dukebound85]

Yeah I know... I'm joking, but I knew guys back in the 80s that were literally heating their room in January with the heat from dozens of PCs running a multi-line BBS.

I'd imagine the old G4 CPU/CPUs ran at temperatures much higher than the 40-50 C that today's Intel CPUs are running. They run really cool compared to older teck, etc. So I don't quickly buy into the theory that air flow is the (real) problem. The stock power supply and case fan on the G4 case managed to move enough exhaust off the hotter (than the Intel) PPC CPUs... etc. If his case temperatures are high then it's likely coming from a CPU that's overheating because it isn't able to effectively transfer heat via the CPU heatsink/fan, etc.

good point about the lower wattage chips today. nonetheless i think we both agree that both case fans and cpu fans are essential for cpu cooling

 

[localoid]

good point about the lower wattage chips today. nonetheless i think we both agree that both case fans and cpu fans are essential for cpu cooling

Oh yeah... One's no good without the other. It's like the form vs. function debate -- ideally you achieve both.

 

[unlokia]

CPUs are cooled by CPU coolers, not by case fans. The stock Intel CPU cooler is a POS with a waxy something on the bottom that doesn't make for effective heat transfer. I've seen guys trying to cool their system with a 20" window fan. It's a waste of time...

Yeah? REALLY? dude, you must be completely ignorant to the simplest principles of cooling and airflow, then. Sooo... where does the heat go now, once it's been expelled by the CPU cooler?. Of course case fans cool the CPU - you are either being humorous, or you are completely ignorant, in which case YOU NEED TO LEARN.

 

[localoid]

Yeah? REALLY? dude, you must be completely ignorant to the simplest principles of cooling and airflow, then. Sooo... where does the heat go now, once it's been expelled by the CPU cooler?. Of course case fans cool the CPU - you are either being humorous, or you are completely ignorant, in which case YOU NEED TO LEARN.

I've been building microcomputers since the late-70s. You...?

Have you ever built even one PC or are you just talking to say something (rather than something based on actual experience)?

 

[MacUser2525]

I just checked one of my Mac towers like that one, and I really do not see a way to add more fans. I had not checked when I made my earlier post.

That is why I like big towers that use 120mm fans.

Well there is no sanctioned spot to do it I just took the back of the case with the I/O ports. Then put some twist ties through the back holes and a couple of screws that lined up to the fans I squeezed in back of the heat sink then used a three pin to molex adapter to get the power from a spare. Would have been easier if I could have removed the heat sink but the second fan blocks the last screw on it.

Water cooling is a primitive solution in any computer, and a backward step. Why would you want to get your computer THAT hot anyhow?. I don't see any water cooled Macs, and they seem to be FLIPPING powerful. If a Mac can run *XEON* air cooled, then the PC market is doing something SERIOUSLY badly.

If you can't afford a faster processor, then why would you introduce water - the ENEMY of anything electrical, into your already complex equation?. You're gonna have to go and buy a whole new kit of parts when that hose clip slips off or the pump springs a leak; how very short sighted people are. Spend the money you need on the speed you need, and be happy with what you have.

Christ your pathetic do a search on liquid cooled g5 ...

 

[unlokia]

Well there is no sanctioned spot to do it I just took the back of the case with the I/O ports. Then put some twist ties through the back holes and a couple of screws that lined up to the fans I squeezed in back of the heat sink then used a three pin to molex adapter to get the power from a spare. Would have been easier if I could have removed the heat sink but the second fan blocks the last screw on it.



Christ your pathetic do a search on liquid cooled g5 ...

Well duh. I thought being pathetic was a pre-requisite for this thread?.

 

[unlokia]

I've been building microcomputers since the late-70s. You...?

Have you ever built even one PC or are you just talking to say something (rather than something based on actual experience)?

No - I'm talking out of my hat, of course!

 

[VoR]

Some highly entertaining posts unlokia!

I'm afraid I'm another one of the 'defiant minority' complaining about value for money, far more so now I did a little reading and figured out how to boot the leopard installer disc on a q6600 desktop I have.

 

[localoid]

Some highly entertaining posts unlokia!

I'm afraid I'm another one of the 'defiant minority' complaining about value for money, far more so now I did a little reading and figured out how to boot the leopard installer disc on a q6600 desktop I have.

Defiant minority... that's rich.

"Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. ..."

 

[Cave Man]

Take it easy on unlokia. She can't help herself since she's off her meds again.

 

[unlokia]

Take it easy on unlokia. She can't help herself since she's off her meds again.

May I hire you for live TV?. You could do a whole 1/2 hour routine, no problem.

 

[longwood]

I just picked up an Asus EeePC 4G this weekend on craigslist for pretty cheap and thought I would give Tiger a try. Here is a little screen shot:

I'm waiting for the Dell 1390 card to get here to go wireless. I love pulling this out at the café and being able to run OS X.

 

[Aea]

Well, first Hackintosh experiment. Apple more or less forced my hand by providing no multi-monitor capable systems (and I mean multiple independent monitors) except the Mac Pro.

Bought a Gigabyte EP45-DS3R and a Q6600 (no overclocking for me yet), tried using a Chameleon/Boot132 tutorial and got absolutely nowhere. The system would hang indefinitely before the setup process even started.

Bit put off really, I bought all my hardware following a compatibility list and known working configurations. Guess it's just a dice roll, I'm going to give Kalyway a try (I do have a legal/retail leopard disk if that's of any conciliation to the die-hard anti-OSx86 crowd), if that doesn't work them I'm just SOL Always been meaning to give Ubuntu a try.

 

[dukebound85]

Well, first Hackintosh experiment. Apple more or less forced my hand by providing no multi-monitor capable systems (and I mean multiple independent monitors) except the Mac Pro.

Bought a Gigabyte EP45-DS3R and a Q6600 (no overclocking for me yet), tried using a Chameleon/Boot132 tutorial and got absolutely nowhere. The system would hang indefinitely before the setup process even started.

Bit put off really, I bought all my hardware following a compatibility list and known working configurations. Guess it's just a dice roll, I'm going to give Kalyway a try (I do have a legal/retail leopard disk if that's of any conciliation to the die-hard anti-OSx86 crowd), if that doesn't work them I'm just SOL Always been meaning to give Ubuntu a try.

did you get the right iso image?

i use the ds4 iso image on my ds3l board and it works perfect with boot-132

i much prefer boot-132 over kalyway

 

[Aea]

I'm not certain, I followed a tutorial on insanelymac (which is currently dead) though. Mind pointing me in the right direction?

I too would rather have a non-hacked OSX installation, don't much trust the patched installs.