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The MLB 2010-2011 HotStove

macfan881 said:
new reports today I've heard Greinke may take his no trade clause off for a team like the Yankees http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-greinkehotstove113010

also Lee could sign with the Yankees soon as next week. http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/winter_freeze_wEt7gIP13BW4VDKkOPDXBO#ixzz16lKp9Sfk
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why dont they trade for halladay and lincecum too?

Halladay, Lincecum, Lee, Sabathia, and Grienke for their $400 million dollar per year starting rotation.

And then they can get Pujols, Howard, Hamilton, Posey, Cruz, and a bunch of other guys for the lineup. Lets make the Yankees the first team with a billion dollar payroll.

MLB in 5 years:

Yankees $1,250,000,000
Mets $180,000,000
Red Sox $170,000,000
Cubs $160,000,000

Rest of MLB average: $80,000,000

The Yankees payroll will be more than the every other team in MLB combined, so we will change the divisions so there is the Yankees division (where they are the only team so they can make it to the world series every year) and the everyone else division.

Meanwhile, the Yankees will spend $200,000,000 a year paying Bud Selig so every time they bat they get a 4th out.
 
the Yankee payroll thing is getting old please the yanks are doing nothing wrong its all part of the rules quit crying bout it. I mean look the Yankees have won 1 WS in the last 10 years so its not even proven it works.
 
Yeah honestly I am a Twins fan and I actually enjoy having a team with a gigantic payroll compared to everyone else... It gives baseball that much more character... It makes the Yankees that much more like an "Evil Empire" kinda ordeal in a geeky kind of way. :D

Although it makes me sad that the Twins cannot beat the Yankees no matter what. :(
 
zioxide said:
MLB in 5 years:

Yankees $1,250,000,000
Mets $180,000,000
Red Sox $170,000,000
Cubs $160,000,000

Rest of MLB average: $80,000,000
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Lets say those numbers are accurate in 5 years. The Cubs will still not make the playoffs, the Mets will still be a horrible team and the Red Sox will still bitch that the Yankees steal all the good players. Spending money doesn't mean anything if the players you buy suck.
 
macfan881 said:
the Yankee payroll thing is getting old please the yanks are doing nothing wrong its all part of the rules quit crying bout it. I mean look the Yankees have won 1 WS in the last 10 years so its not even proven it works.
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the point is the rules are broken. this is the only pro sports league that has no form of a salary cap. it makes it pretty ridiculous. between that and the instant replay issues, i think baseball is the worst of the 4 major sports right now.
 
zioxide said:
the point is the rules are broken. this is the only pro sports league that has no form of a salary cap. it makes it pretty ridiculous. between that and the instant replay issues, i think baseball is the worst of the 4 major sports right now.
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The rules are not broken because there are no rules. If baseball had a cap and the Yankees still over spent then yes rules would be broken.

The issue is not that we need instant replay, the issue is that the umps won't man up and admit a mistake. Instant replay is only an issue because the umps suck.
 
MacNut said:
The rules are not broken because there are no rules. If baseball had a cap and the Yankees still over spent then yes rules would be broken.

The issue is not that we need instant replay, the issue is that the umps won't man up and admit a mistake. Instant replay is only an issue because the umps suck.
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Yup. My biggest beef with the umps isn't the occasional blown call on base/at the wall, though...rather, it's the incredibly unreliable/varying strike zones. Established good pitchers will forever get a more generous zone, the "Left Strike", "balls" down the middle of the plate, etc...it's awful, and today's HD TV coverage makes it painfully obvious.
 
sysiphus said:
Yup. My biggest beef with the umps isn't the occasional blown call on base/at the wall, though...rather, it's the incredibly unreliable/varying strike zones. Established good pitchers will forever get a more generous zone, the "Left Strike", "balls" down the middle of the plate, etc...it's awful, and today's HD TV coverage makes it painfully obvious.
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This too.

This is why I am giving up on baseball.
 
yg17 said:
I'll lose all respect to Cliff Lee if he sells himself out to the Wankees.
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Get ready, then. :)

Re: Yankees/Jeter to quagmire...

The point is that Jeter shouldn't have to hold the Yankees hostage in this negotiation. This isn't Johnny Damon we're talking about here... this is Derek Jeter.

Like I said, regarding how other teams treat their supposed icons, Cal Ripken was fading at the end of his career, and fading fast... he got raises. And a post-retirement marketing contract. Look at how George Brett was treated by the Royals. He got raises at the end of his career. And a post-retirement marketing contract.

Now, think back to Paul Molitor. The Brewers decided that their franchise icon didn't deserve a raise for his twilight years, so they lowballed him. He said FU to Bud Selig's money, went to the Blue Jays and won another World Series. Also got his 3500th hit not in a Brewers uniform. The Brewers came crawling back when he hit free agency again and he turned them down to play for his hometown Twins.

Cal Ripken/George Brett... that is how you treat the face of your franchise. Paul Molitor, thanks to Bud Selig is a great example of how not to treat the face of your franchise.

What Cashman and the Yankees are doing to Jeter is what Selig did to Molitor. Just my opinion, but you don't treat your Captain and face of your franchise that way. Jeter isn't pulling a Favre and holding out of training camps until the very last second... he isn't saying I'm retired one day, then pay me the next.

If you can complain that Jeter isn't handling it the "right" way... then why no blame for the Yankees organization in the same breath? They are the ones publicly saying "go test the market, you won't get any better than what we're offering". I haven't heard a single word come out of Jeter's mouth so far... maybe because I'm not in the Yankee clubhouse day in, day out... or maybe because I don't read Page 6 every day... but from the outside looking in, all I see is Jeter acting like he's almost always acted: with class.

Even reading his agent's statements, Jeter has come down from from a 6-7 year demand to 4-5... his agent has also come down in money, too. I think the Yankees should just give Jeter the fourth year he's seeking, give him $18 million or so per year and some kind of post-retirement marketing package so that he can say that he's getting paid the money he deserves as a lifetime Yankee icon, and the Yankees can say that they haven't overpaid (which I still don't see why they would feel that way towards an icon)... there, everyone ends up happy.
 
So the Giants opted for one year of Miguel Tejada at shortstop. Not great, not horrible. The free agent market for shortstops this year is pretty bad, and the various realistic trade options weren't all that appealing, either. So now, either Brandon "Don't Call Me Carl" Crawford proves himself in the minors in 2011, or the Giants can make a run at Jose Reyes in the free agent market next offseason.

As much as I loved Paul Molitor as a player, I never really thought of him as the "Face of the Brewers". That was always Robin Yount to me. After watching Molitor struggle with so many injuries early in his career, I'm still kind of amazed that he had such a long and prolific career.

Greinke is really reconsidering going to a big market, east coast team? He would look great with the Twins or Rangers.

Yankees fans, keep dreaming about Lincecum. You think his personality type would really be a good fit in the Big Apple?
 
Silencio said:
Yankees fans, keep dreaming about Lincecum. You think his personality type would really be a good fit in the Big Apple?
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Oh dear, there hasn't been real talk of the Wanks acquiring Lincecum, have there? Please tell me it's just a Yankee's fan wet dream.
 
yg17 said:
Oh dear, there hasn't been real talk of the Wanks acquiring Lincecum, have there? Please tell me it's just a Yankee's fan wet dream.
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No, just a frustrated Red Sox fan saying how we should just give the Yankee's Lincecum, Lee, Halladay, etc because there is no use in trying to outbid the Yankees, etc.
 
espn just reported the Whitesoxs sign Dunn 4 year 65 Milion just waiting on a physical to make it official.
 
Looks like Mo is coming back under a 2 year/$30 million deal. So basically his last contract with one year shaved off. I am happy with that. Reportedly, another team offered him 3 years and more money, but he decided to stay with the Yankees. That is a true Yankee and he was in a position to demand more money. Unlike Jeter holding the Yankees hostage expecting a pay raise after a career low performance in 2010 and expect them to carry a 42 year old SS.........

I know his agent is comparing Jeter to Ruth, but guess what? The Yankees cut Ruth loose as well and it was the right decision as after the Yankees let him go, his performance collapsed. So not really a good comparison there......
 
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That's kinda like that Japanese agent comparing his pitcher to Barry Zito and demanded Barry Zito money... That is a terrible comparison because Zito has not earned his money AT ALL.
 
quagmire said:
Unlike Jeter holding the Yankees hostage expecting a pay raise after a career low performance in 2010 and expect them to carry a 42 year old SS.........
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Being a bit dramatic, aren't we? This is the downside to a team having more money than God. The Yankees can't afford to let Jeter leave and he knows they don't care how much money they spend. You can't throw money away on Burnett and then decide that Jeter is where you draw the line. They gave Alex Rodriguez almost $300 million when there was no reason to think that any other team was offering him more than $200 million. They gave $180 million to a very fat pitcher. And now they're going to lowball the face of the franchise?

If the Yankees had been pursuing a strategy of looking for value, that would be a different story. They're not. They're overpaying for anyone they believe will help them win and placate their fans' demands, just like they have for the past 10 years. At this stage in his career, Jeter's on-field performance might justify $10 million per. Might. But Jeter knows that isn't what matters to the Yankees. He has value to them that goes beyond how well he will play over the next few years. Any of us would do exactly the same thing in his position.
 
aloofman said:
Being a bit dramatic, aren't we? This is the downside to a team having more money than God. The Yankees can't afford to let Jeter leave and he knows they don't care how much money they spend. You can't throw money away on Burnett and then decide that Jeter is where you draw the line. They gave Alex Rodriguez almost $300 million when there was no reason to think that any other team was offering him more than $200 million. They gave $180 million to a very fat pitcher. And now they're going to lowball the face of the franchise?

If the Yankees had been pursuing a strategy of looking for value, that would be a different story. They're not. They're overpaying for anyone they believe will help them win and placate their fans' demands, just like they have for the past 10 years. At this stage in his career, Jeter's on-field performance might justify $10 million per. Might. But Jeter knows that isn't what matters to the Yankees. He has value to them that goes beyond how well he will play over the next few years. Any of us would do exactly the same thing in his position.
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Which is why I think $18 million per season is acceptable. It is in the middle of the Yankee's $15 million initial offer and Jeter wanting $23 million. But, I am very uncomfortable in locking him up for 4 or more years. He had a bad 2008 and 2010 season. He is very well in a decline and he still expects a raise? Only Pettitte and Mo deserve a raise considering they had very good 2010 performances with no sign of decline( besides more tendency for injury).
 
Jeter maybe on the start of the downside of his career but he is still the face of baseball and the face of the Yankees. I can't think of any other player that has as clean an image as Jeter. No scandals no steroid allegations no off the field altercations. Jeter was never a power hitter but he got hits when it counted, to say his career is over is stupid. He had one below season, we don't know if he will rebound or not. He is still better than the majority of short stops in the majors.
 
MacNut said:
I can't think of any other player that has as clean an image as Jeter. No scandals no steroid allegations no off the field altercations. Jeter was never a power hitter but he got hits when it counted, to say his career is over is stupid. He had one below season, we don't know if he will rebound or not. He is still better than the majority of short stops in the majors.
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Mariano is chopped liver?

He had two bad seasons 2008 and 2010.
 
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