He never should have left in the first place. If he didn't get injured he might be the home run king.
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Watch both feeds on MLB.tv they both were in shocked and called for Replay to be in place even skip baley from ESPN is calling it he posted this on Twitter
Skip: instant replay proponents, re-Joyce! This terribly imperfect call might be just what we needed.
Skip: instant replay proponents, re-Joyce! This terribly imperfect call might be just what we needed.
I agree.. if he could have stayed healthy I think he would be...
I love baseball, but I am still torn about instant replay.... This makes for a great argument for it thou.
Just need to treat instant replay like they do in the NFL. Give each team two challenges and bonus challenges if the coach is correct on the first two.
That way Instant replay is not too disruptive to the game. Seems like an easy decision to me. Especially after today.
agreed I'm only for catching and fielding plays only no balls/Strike calls cause everyone has a diff strike zone but stuff for what happen today is what should be overturned.
I do say i fell today brings me to this scene boy one of my favs after something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E4TmZG-gWI
This I could get behind. Once you see it in action and you limit the teams... I agree.
Instant reply is needed. The baseball purists will be against it, but now that we have the technology, I'd rather see the umps get the call right rather than get it wrong for the sake of "tradition" or "we've always done it this way" And it won't slow down the game much, as it is, umps and managers already spend time arguing over close calls like that. If they used the time spent arguing to check the replay instead, it wouldn't extend the game. A review takes no more than one or two minutes in hockey, and it wouldn't take any longer in baseball.
IMHO instant reply should be limited to:
A) Home Runs( already in place)
B) calls at home plate
C) Only on a game changing play like a perfect game or no-hitter. There are so many close calls at 1st base, it would slow the game down to just challenge on that alone. Plus, it would get rid of the classic umpire-manager fight.
A call safe at 1st, 2nd, or 3rd shouldn't be challengeable unless it changes something major of a game like a perfect game, no hitter, or the last out in the 9th of a postseason game where the team would have won the series. Other then that, preserve the human element.
As much as we'd like to right this wrong, retroactively changing a call in a game is a bad idea. It's a slippery slope. What if there's a blown call on a fly ball that's called foul but is really a home run? And it changes who would have won the game? It really can't be done in a way that's fair. I know that this is a very unusual situation (last out, no runners on, Tigers won anyway), but if they do it once, then others will insist on changing games after the fact too.
I agree, but there's no way to know if he would have gotten hurt if he'd stayed in Seattle. Except for the broken wrist in 1995, he didn't lose any significant playing time to injuries while with the Mariners, certainly nothing career-threatening. But when you play that many games at the level he did, it could happen anywhere.
In my opinion, if the outcome of the game can be guaranteed if the right call is made, it should be retroactively changed. If it's the bottom of the 9th and the home team is losing, and someone hits what would be a walk-off home run but it is incorrectly called a foul ball, then the call should be retroactively changed and the home team given the runs and the win. That basically limits changes to 9th inning, 2 out scenarios (or in the case of the HR vs foul, bottom 9th with any number outs). No one is going to go back and argue that an incorrectly called foul in the 3rd inning should be called a home run because who knows who would've won the game if that was correctly called. Maybe the batter should get the HR and RBIs for statistical purposes (and you can debate the merits of that) with no changes to the actual score, but that shouldn't change the final score because there's no guarantee as to what it would be.
I know that example is somewhat of a moot point since there is replay of HRs/fouls, but that's just an example.
In this case, you know what would happen if the right call was made. 27th batter out, Galarraga gets the perfect game. If the incorrect call was made on the 26th batter, I don't think it should be reversed since it wasn't the final out, but this was the final out. Reversing the call wouldn't change the score, it wouldn't change standings. It would give Galarraga the perfect game and reduce Donald's batting average by a small amount. That's it.
Selig should reverse the call, but I don't think he will.
He should reverse the call to:
- credit Galaragge with his place in history, as he deserves
- save Jim Joyce's entire career from being "the guy who blew that kid's perfect game", for the rest of his life (ask Denkinger: and that case wasn't even as clear-cut as this one... the Cardinals still could have won Game 7)
- it's the right thing to do: it was the last out, the outcome of the game isn't changed, standings aren't affected, and most importantly Galaragga did get the 28th guy out (and therefore no argument can be made that the blown call resulted in the Indians making a comeback, etc.)
If nothing else, I hope this brings MLB into the modern age as it concerns instant replay. Make it similar to the system in the NFL, managers would get 1 (two might be stretching it) challenge per game, can't be a ball/strike call, etc.
In the end, kudos to Galaragga for having the class not to rip Joyce, he didn't even argue the call... just smiled and got the 28th batter out. I'll even go so far as a Tigers fan to give kudos to Joyce for admitting his mistake and apologizing to Galaragge personally.
Selig can make this right for all parties involved, I just hope that he does. I'm not holding my breath though.
He should reverse the call to:
- credit Galaragge with his place in history, as he deserves
- save Jim Joyce's entire career from being "the guy who blew that kid's perfect game", for the rest of his life (ask Denkinger: and that case wasn't even as clear-cut as this one... the Cardinals still could have won Game 7)
- it's the right thing to do: it was the last out, the outcome of the game isn't changed, standings aren't affected, and most importantly Galaragga did get the 28th guy out (and therefore no argument can be made that the blown call resulted in the Indians making a comeback, etc.)
If nothing else, I hope this brings MLB into the modern age as it concerns instant replay. Make it similar to the system in the NFL, managers would get 1 (two might be stretching it) challenge per game, can't be a ball/strike call, etc.
In the end, kudos to Galaragga for having the class not to rip Joyce, he didn't even argue the call... just smiled and got the 28th batter out. I'll even go so far as a Tigers fan to give kudos to Joyce for admitting his mistake and apologizing to Galaragge personally.
Selig can make this right for all parties involved, I just hope that he does. I'm not holding my breath though.
There's precedent for the commissioner changing the outcome of games. No-hitters have been stricken from the record books after the definition of no-hitters was changed. And even more recently was the infamous George Brett "pine tar" incident.
There is precedent for calls and entire records being overturned.
I just am hoping the Braves continue playing at this pace! It is amazing they are doing so well without Chipper, McCann, Jurrjens or McClouth contributing at all!
I agree. This one is too obvious. A lot of fuss may be made about whether a review will occur or not but the end result will be that the bad call will be reversed and the perfect game will be allowed.
The pine tar game is probably the best precedent for the bad/wrong call getting reversed.
First, let me preface this by expressing my awe and admiration for Griffey's accomplishments: he was a natural, and is a no-doubt first-ballot HOF entrant--and I love the idea that the consummate superstar of the 90s was, by all accounts, PED-free. With that said:
The reality is that Griffey's body breaking down was independent of location, and hugely dependent on his lack of conditioning. His natural talent was astounding--and his laziness in workouts/conditioning was, too. Look at him, then look at Ichiro. Both superstars in their own right (albeit with somewhat different skill sets)--but while one coasted on his unbelievable talent, the other has made an art form out of daily workouts/stretching, and as such, is a reliable fast, healthy, flexible every day fielder into his late 30s. Meanwhile, Griffey's best days were behind him before he turned 32. Griffey was fantastic--but to me, he'll always be a case of "what if". What if he'd taken care of himself and prepared for the future? Nobody could have predicted that he'd break his wrist in 1995 and miss half the season--and I doubt many would hold it against him. But that injury is the exception, not the rule. After that, most of his problems were clearly linked to a lack of flexibility/conditioning. There's a reason why he couldn't stay healthy once he went to Cinci--and it wasn't the change of ZIP code. It's perfectly normal that the body begins to work harder to perform at superstar levels after you're on the wrong side of 30--it takes more work to both stay in shape and to stay healthy/flexible. Nobody stays 20 forever, and comparing almost anyone in baseball to Ichiro is practically unfair--the guy's a machine. But it's painfully obvious, and rather sad, that had Griffey taken better care of himself and better planned for the future, we would have likely seen Griffey's golden years extend well into his time in Cincinnati. A shame really, given how nice it would have been to have him, by all accounts free of the stink of PEDs, as the home run king instead of Barry Bonds and his inflated head.
Selig won't overturn the call... but in my opinion, Galaragga has the major league's first 28-batters-faced perfect game in history.
That said, I hope Selig is really true to his words and actually explores expanded options for instant replay. Something good HAS to come out of this whole debacle, right?
That said, I hope Selig is really true to his words and actually explores expanded options for instant replay. Something good HAS to come out of this whole debacle, right?
The difference is that the Pine Tar Bat Game was officially played under protest immediately after Brett was declared out and the home run was nullified. Thus, the decision to reverse the ruling on the field could be done after the fact within the rules of the time (and today).
The call at first base can't be protested because it was a misjudgment by an umpire, not a misapplication of an official MLB rule. Therefore, the call stands and no part of the game can be replayed.
I'm not saying I'm glad that Galaragga lost his perfect game, just that there's no way to change the call within the current rules. If the commissioner is allowed to change such things on his own prerogative, then any team could ask him to change the outcome of a game. Then where does it all end?
My hope is that this creates some kind of momentum for expanded use of replay in major league games. I think it's reasonable to create a rule allowing any umpire to ask to see a replay if the call is very close and has a major effect on the outcome of a game. Presumably Joyce would be fine with being proven wrong in such a situation. If it's anything like replay in the NFL, the umpires the original call will often be affirmed by replay anyway.
And yet it does, and always has. Everyone accepts it.
With some umps, it changes from pitch to pitch. Consistency with the same ump would be an improvement. Consistency between umpires would only happen in a perfect world.
And yet the number historians go on and on about what makes baseball great is that it's not a perfect game. Fields are different, grass is mowed different, stadiums are different, strike zones change ump to ump and pitcher to pitcher. Some games go 3hrs, some go much more. Replay should be a part of baseball today in some form using this most recent unfortunate example.